Talk:Lando Norris

Nationality

Hello. I am happy to discuss. Lando Norris is officially a British racing driver on the F1 website. His nationality on Wikipedia is also British. Calling him British-Belgian is inaccurate. Perhaps you would like to model Norris’ page on the Grosjean one: “ He races under the French flag[3] in Formula One although he was born in Geneva and holds dual French-Swiss nationality.” I think that is fair. Thoughts? Willst7 (talk) 16:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I find that unnecessarily wordy and the use of although constitutes WP:EDITORIALIZING. Further your rationale for change is fatally flawed with the fact that there is nothing inaccurate about the situation at all because he is British-Belgian, in fact only mentioning British is more inaccurate as that purposefully ignores his Belgian nationality. I think your problem with the situation is that the lead doesn't specify which nation he represents. How about Lando Norris is a British-Belgian racing driving currently racing under the British flag in Formula One.
SSSB (talk) 16:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

“Currently racing” suggests he would changes nationalities. Who has done that before? It definitely isn’t common.

He is British as he was born in Britain and identifies as a British person (you said it was irrelevant what he preferred even though that’s how nationality works when you have more than one; he doesn’t speak French or Flemish fluently either). However, I am happy for the discussion. The Grosjean page says “ Romain Grosjean (French: [ʁɔmɛ̃ ɡʁoʒɑ̃]; born 17 April 1986) is a racing driver with dual French-Swiss nationality. Born in Geneva, he races under the French flag and currently drives for the Haas F1 Team.[3]”

So how about:

“Lando Norris is a racing driver with dual British-Belgian nationality. Born in Bristol, he races under the British flag and currently drives for the McLaren F1 Team.” Willst7 (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

He could change nationality, it last happened in 2007 2006 (I think) with Robert Doornbos and Norris' preference would be irrelevant if drivers didn't have to choose a nationality for his licence. But I am happy with your suggestion (though born in Brristol is unnecessary as is specifying dual), feel free to implement.
SSSB (talk) 21:43, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Nico Rosberg also raced with a Finnish and German license. He also had the Monegasque nationality, so 3 to choose from. But thats just a sidenote to respond to the question above. I think the way it’s said now in the lead is much better. Good suggestion! LesRoutine (talk) 19:53, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Mention about streaming

I'm sorry i'm new about editing on wikipedia so i would not want to mess up editing it, but should there be a mention of his esport racing, the fact that lando has a rather big following on twitch playing racing games and taking part in the 2020 f1 esports races? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.195.235 (talk) 01:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source it may be worth a sentence in personal life but no more than that. His streaming is little more than a hobby. Therefore any more than a sentence in personal life would be WP:UNDUE. Only the fact he streams. The fact he is taking part in the 2020 F1 esports races isn't not worthy of mention at all. Something like "Norris takes part in esports racing which he streams online."
SSSB (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I found this source from espn wich i think could be found as a reliable source for sports new that claim that he did break a record for streaming on twitch (major stream site for gaming) as I s(probably did not write but meant) a line in his personal life would be good as well as in max verstappen probably too.

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/28939941/best-worst-f1-esports-weekend — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.195.235 (talk) 04:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

References

With Regards to Streaming

The article currently states that Lando Norris has amassed over 600,000 subscribers on Twitch. This is incorrect: Norris actually has over 600,000 followers (692,000 to be precise). This can be verified by simply checking his Twitch profile (landonorris). The article is currently semi-protected, so please will someone with the appropriate privileges fix this. 81.157.155.124 (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done Ym2X (talk) 20:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Photo

Would like to suggest that Lando's photo be cropped to eliminate that portion below the table. I have no idea how to do it and the picture really looks strange as it is now. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.131.164.163 (talk) 15:07, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done. I've actually beening meaning to do the same for some time.
SSSB (talk) 13:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Social media presence

Since this seems to be a source of conflict I'm going to start a discussion here about how to handle this. There is clearly a balance to strike here, and I am of the impression that the desire from some editors to add fairly WP:INDISCRIMINATE information about how he did a video with some popular YouTuber or other such tangential details is leading other editors to be dismissive of the existence of independent reliable sources which provide fairly significant coverage of his social media activities. Obviously the first group of editors need to be directed to WP:ALTERNATIVE outlets such as TV Tropes, where their contributions will surely be more than welcome. As for the rest of us, it's necessary to recognise that these subjects need to be approached with sensitivity, as numerous topics regarding the world wide web and e-sport are included in WP:LCI as topics which are likely to cause conflict amongst editors. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 07:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Just to expand on my own perspective here, I would personally say that this Reuters article is the best example I could find in my (admittedly brief) searching of Norris' online activities receiving significant independent coverage. There are others, but this one meets all of the standards I can possibly see for determining whether something is noteworthy enough to at least warrant a passing mention. Since WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS seems to be a part of the debate here, I will say that unless other driver's social media presence has received this sort of coverage from (crucially) independent sources then it probably isn't noteworthy enough to warrant that much of a mention. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

What i fear is that it could set the ball rolling for overzealous editors to turn half the page into recounts of his twitch and esports activities. I've seen this happen on other pages like Max's and Charles', cluttering up the page and distracting from the main focus of the article. I'll agree that it can be touched on or briefly mentioned, especially if it is backed by independent media coverage but we'll have to draw a firm line and be extremely cautious with crossing it, given that such high profile figures usually receive extensive media coverage for just about anything they do, regardless of its significance (think back to the peak of driver streams and off track activity early last year). One thing I would firmly disagree with regardless are adding are his twitch figures. They're nowhere near as significant as his race figures, and this sort of stuff is only ever seen on the pages of actual high profile twitch figures. Let's just focus on his main craft and not over elevate absolutely everything he does to the same level as his primary notable achievements. - Cement4802 (talk) 12:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

If something receives extensive media coverage then it is presumably noteworthy, provided said coverage is from reliable independent sources. Obviously to those of us who edit Formula One articles on Wikipedia Lando Norris is an F1 driver who happens to do online streams sometimes, but to someone else he could just as easily be an online streamer who happens to be an F1 driver. I'm personally not aware of many higher profile Twitch streamers than Norris, but since it's something I have little interest in that's probably to be expected. There is a line to draw, but that line is when people start adding material which isn't justified by the existence of reliable independent sources on the matter. In that case their edits can be reverted and, as I mentioned before, they can be directed to WP:ALTERNATIVE outlets and linked to various pages which explain what material does or does not belong on Wikipedia. If they don't listen under those circumstances then the usual procedures can be followed for dealing with disruptive editors. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 13:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I think we should set up an RFC. I'd hate to see this stalled. I'm not sure the f1/motorsport focused editors are aware of this issue being brought up - Cement4802 (talk) 12:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Personally I think that there's a strong argument for creating some sort of specific article detailing the various e-sport related activities of Formula One drivers, since much of it has received fairly significant coverage from independent reliable sources, while limiting the degree of coverage on other related pages to passing mentions at most where directly relevant. That way there's less of an issue with these things potentially cluttering up pages which aren't primarily dedicated to those topics. An RFC may be helpful though, provided all perspectives on the matter (both editors of motorsport related articles and editors of online media and e-sport related articles) are bought in for it. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Since you've asked: Norris' social media presense warrants a couple of sentences (because it is covered in sources), but nothing more (lots of sources which repeat the same thing is not justification for a dedicated section.
SSSB (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I get that. It just brings me on to my main point again. There are countless other drivers who have a similar or larger social media presence than Lando. They receive a similar level of courage in the media (as is expected for such high profile figures). It wouldn't make sense to just apply these standards to Lando's page when he's not necessarily a standout in such an area. To do so would mean we would have to start adding social media activities onto the pages of other drivers, which quite frankly would look quite ridiculous based on how insignificant these figures really are compared to the driver's main craft. It doesn't mean we can't mention their social media at all, I just wouldn't go all the way and specifically mention it when it's not tied to more their more significant activities. For example something like "he drew controversey for his *comments* on his instagram page after *event*" would be much more appropriate than having a special section and specifically stating something like "he has over 1 million followers on his instagram and twitter page, he has a youtube channel with 800,000+ subscribers and he has a twitch page with 600,000+ followers". In short, I'm saying we should only mention their social media stuff IF it's directly related to something more notable that they were involved in, but we shouldn't be treating their social media presence as a notable thing on its own. - Cement4802 (talk) 04:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

But it forms a significant part of what he does in his spare time. If, in his spare time, he participated in amateur chess tournaments, we would include a sentence in his personal life section. "Norris enjoys playing chess and sometimes takes part in competions. This is no different, "Norris particpates in e-sports, which he streams on twitch, and has an e-sports team".
SSSB (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Based off of the sources I've seen I think it's unfair to characterise them as "all saying the same thing". A lot of them seem to be describing different, connected parts of Norris's online streaming and e-sport activities. I don't really see that so much for other F1 drivers. However honestly I'm not really the one to parse most of this and someone who has more of a footing in the world of online streaming and e-sports could probably do a far better job of working out how to translate this coverage into something encyclopaedic than I ever could. The chess tournament analogy is apt however. If Norris was competing in chess tournaments and those activities were receiving extensive coverage I'm sure we'd want someone who knows about chess to come in and fill those parts of the article out. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 14:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

One article saying Norris is taking part in event x and another saying he is taking part in event y are saying the same thing: he likes to take part in esports events, and that is all we should say. We don't want a list of everything he does online, Norris' esports is a hobby and deserves little more than a sentence.

You're also completly missing the point of my analogy, the point is it doesn't warrant a huge chunck of text (as we previously had) just because there is a wide variety of things he does under the esports banner. We don't need anyone with an extensive esports knowledge to write about it, there isn't anything technical or complex that needs explaining.
SSSB (talk) 15:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

To be clear, I'm not saying "this clearly deserves a huge amount of coverage"; I'm saying that I don't know how much coverage this deserves beyond "some", and that I would rather that those more familiar with the territory determined the appropriate level. I also find the notion that "it's merely a hobby" somewhat questionable as looking at the sources he is clearly treating it as some sort of business venture. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I think the current couple of sentences are a good compromise, it doesn't need massive amounts of detail, and will gradually expand when he does more notable things related to it in the future. There are other drivers who have done esports and related activities, Romain Grosjean has a sentence about his esports team included in his 'Other ventures' section, and Charles Leclerc had this section removed similar to Norris', but a couple of sentences summarising it could/should be added to his 'Other ventures' section, though this should probably be discussed on his talk page, same with Albon/Latifi/Russell and other drivers providing that reliable/independent sourcing can be found for it. Not massive detail but two or three well sourced sentences. Ym2X (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2022

2A00:23C5:5123:7C01:7DEC:D7FB:E402:27D (talk) 21:38, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Lando part time camera man

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 21:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Norris' sisters

I read it here that Lando has only one younger sister, whereas on this article it says that he has two younger sisters. Can anyone verify this fact? I also think that a podcast is not as accessible for a reference on Wikipedia, so it needs to be replaced with a better source. Klrfl Talk! 13:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

There's many other sources that state otherwise, like this one, but they don't mention a specific number for age like the one I linked above. Klrfl Talk! 13:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Use a footnote that explains that sources differ on if his sister is older or younger? SSSB (talk) 16:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

British-Belgian

Norris represents the UK, was born in the UK, and identifies mainly with his British nationality, so he should be British, not British-Belgian. British-Belgian means "a Belgian person of British descent" or "a Briton living in Belgium". Norris is the exact opposite, a British person of Belgian descent, and (the child of) a Belgian living in Britain. --84.236.107.131 (talk) 14:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Changing to Belgian-British. SSSB (talk) 18:03, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

This article is about him as a person, not his career per sé. Since he holds both nationalities it doesn’t matter which country he represents, they’re both worth mentioning. Just a side note here: he races in F1 representing the UK, but he has both the Union Jack and Flemish Lion on top of his helmet, so you’re wrong saying he doesn’t identify with his Belgian side. LesRoutine (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Are we even sure he was actually born in the UK? He himself said in an interview that he was born in Belgium. See the separate discussion in the talk page. Silenditor (talk) 19:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

MOS says no ethnicity in lead, unless if it is what the subject is notable for (i.e. "George Floyd was an African-American..." instead of "George Floyd was an American") change to British. --84.236.107.131 (talk) 18:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

You’re comparing apples and oranges here. Ethnicity and nationality/citizenship are two very different things. George Floyd is a bad example, first of all Africa is a continent not a country, second it doesn’t hand out any African passports and third of all it’s a very American point of view: only Americans name other Americans by their ethnicity. Better and similar examples to Norris would be Charlize Theron and Jim Carrey among lots of others. Or even former F1 drivers Nico Rosberg and Romain Grosjean. Hope that helps you understand where this comes from and happy to explain even further if needed. LesRoutine (talk) 19:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Drake is a dual citizen of Canada and the States, since his father is American, and he's listed as simply Canadian. Why can't we do the same for Norris? --84.236.107.131 (talk) 06:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Why should we? SSSB (talk) 07:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

So you’re basically asking us to withhold sourced information from our readers? LesRoutine (talk) 10:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Relationship Status

Norris has confirmed in August 2022 Instagram post he and Oliveira have been dating a t year . Perhaps someone can help me out and add the link. MKL123 (talk) 06:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Why is this noteworthy. The check is simple. If they broke up today, would you remove the mention of the relationship from the article. If the awnser is "yes" (which it should be, given they've only dated a year) then the girlfriend fails WP:TENYEARTEST and shouldn't be mentioned at all. SSSB (talk) 08:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Man, whoever had the time to copy-paste Boyfriend from FNF that many times in Wikipedia must either have no life or is a bot. Either way, not a good person, but definitely someone with a lot of time on their hands. The Shamming Man has appeared. 16:03, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Report him. We have undid his edits so many times, looks like he is not learning his lesson. Izzlex94 verstappenchamp (talk) 08:10, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

They've already been blocked. DH85868993 (talk) 08:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Good. The Shamming Man has appeared. 15:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Edit request

Add the {{Current person}} template, as he is participating in a current event, the 2022 Singapore Grand Prix. 84.236.53.82 (talk) 06:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done the article has not been edited since 25 September, information is not changing rapidly Polyamorph (talk) 07:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Singapore GP

He finished 4th at thr Singapore GP. - 84.236.53.82 (talk) 18:52, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

 Already done Blue Edits (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Car Number

Lando has just stated on Sky F1 coverage post qualifying at Abu Dhabi that next season he will be exchanging his car number 4 for Kimi Raikkonen'a number 7. He stated he was required to wait 3 years before he could take the number but for 2023 he will have it on the car. Nathanieloffer (talk) 15:32, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Edit request February 2023

In a 2021 interview, Norris said that he had came out as bisexual in December 2020, citing his own struggles with mental health as a motivation for doing so. 62.165.248.218 (talk) 06:43, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

what interview? lettherebedarklight晚安 10:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Can someone fix the spelling error about why Lando moved to Monaco

Just fix Rea sons to reasons. I don’t have an account so I can’t change it myself. 74.89.30.91 (talk) 21:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done NASCARfan0548 ↗ 22:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Award

I found it a bit weird that only "Autosport Awards British Competition Driver of the Year: 2021" is mentioned, it's not the only award he's won, it's not the most important, it's not even the only time he won Autosport Awards's British Competition Driver of the Year. Here is a list of his awards:

Autosport BRDC Award: 2016 Autosport Awards British Club Driver of the Year: 2016 Autosport Awards National Driver of the Year: 2017 Autosport Awards British Competition Driver of the Year: 2019, 2020, 2021

All these can be found and confirmed by Autosport Awards' official website and wiki page. Could someone edit and add these? Zyxwl2015 (talk) 06:09, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2023

Norris' height is incorrect almost everywhere on the internet he is actually between 176 and 177 cm. I would like to add that to his page. Atis123 (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2023

Lando Norris height does not exist on the page. His height is 177cm. He himself confirmed this in Kym Illman's youtube video. Frxlml8 (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 13:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Esports

Lando Norris is the founder and leading creative designer behind Quadrant Esports found at quadrant.gg there's a discussion previously about his streaming affinity but that's a while back and something should certainly be added to this page about his esports and apparel organization. 75.172.100.48 (talk) 07:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

2023 Race Results

I noticed as I read the page a few days ago, a lot of the 2023 results weren’t updated. If this could be fixed it would more accurate 216.17.95.150 (talk) 19:59, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Country of birth: Belgium?

I know there are discussions above regarding whether or not the article should identify Lando Norris as Belgian or just British. I know many sites on the internet claim he was born in Bristol, but I've just seen an interview where he himself says he was born in Belgium! Does anyone have any primary sources to support either assertion?

“The Dutch fans are always very supportive of me,” Norris told the press. “I mean Max was born in Belgium, right? As was I, so if this is a home race for him, it’s a home race for me.”

From this article in Sports Illustrated.
See the interview on YouTube. Silenditor (talk) 19:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)