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Copyright Vio from IMBd
Copying text almost verbatim from IMBd, does little to increase Wikipedia's credibility.
Career and context
Hi:
To avoid typecasting, Lancaster eventually decided to adopt a system for choosing scripts. One movie for the box office, then the next one for the art house crowd is I think a quote. This apparently was a compromise between an ambition for success and also to be taken seriously as an actor. A cite should be located before it goes in the article.
I also think his period with Frankenheimer could be expanded. They made four films together, almost in succession. Seven Days In May saw him playing an arch conservative general when he was in fact well known as a liberal. The commentary on the DVD does a lot to illuminate the tense politics of the period in America when the film was made.
Height
Have corrected Lancaster's height to 6'1", which is what he was at his peak.
Mind Control (1987)
I'm not certain that this is the name of the title. I have a title starring Lancaster in my video collection titled Control, made in the same year. I'm assuming they are one and the same, as coincidence is unlikely. However, US film and video game titles are often renamed, for whatever reason, and Australian releases tend to steer towards the European release title. Was Mind Control renamed as Control for the foreign market, or is the name of the film wrong on this article? Gamer Junkie 02:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Filmography table
I have reformatted the filmography, personally I think it is too long to be embedded, but I may be of the minority. If someone feels it should be removed to a page of its own, the awards data should be put back. I removed it as it felt redundant on top of that huge table. Here is the code for that:
Awards
- Academy Award for Best Actor
1960 Elmer Gantry - BAFTA Award for Best Actor in a Leading Role
1962 Birdman of Alcatraz
1980 Atlantic City - Golden Globe Award for Best Actor - Motion Picture Drama
1961 Elmer Gantry
Nominations
- Academy Award for Best Actor
1953: From Here to Eternity
1962: 'Birdman of Alcatraz
1981: Atlantic City
EraserGirl (talk) 16:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
References
This article is much too short for a man of this stature, and there are far too few sources. Surely he must have one devoted fan willing to expand it? EraserGirl (talk) 16:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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Sexuality
In this article, which is used as a source for Marlon Brando's page, it states that Lancaster is sexually linked to Brando. Does anyone have further info? 12.162.122.6 (talk) 14:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Link is: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article729793.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1
If it's written in the newspaper, it must be true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.64.0.252 (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- It is a valid source.91.39.116.207 (talk) 01:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I found an article about him. He had sex with both men and women according to his family and a document by FBI. Screen god Burt's sex life set the stage for Hollywood gay scene--88marcus (talk) 04:42, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I referenced this aspect of his sexuality in the article — ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 05:57, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Immigrants?
do you really think it's quite accurate to describe the normans arriving in england in 1066 and the years immediately thereafter as 'immigrants'? by that definition the germans arrived in paris in 1940 as 'immigrants. i don't think the saxons saw them as 'immigrants'.Toyokuni3 (talk) 06:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Other Affair
What about his affair with Shelly Winters? She mentions it in her book "Shelly, Also Known as Shirley". 70.136.142.237 (talk) 18:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
An atheist or a protestant?
The catagory's say that he was both protestant and atheist. This confuses me. An atheist is someone who does not believe in god, but a protestant is a christian. Being both atheist and protestant is impossible. How is someone who does not believe in god be able to be a protestant? 83.84.17.246 (talk) 19:17, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
- By changing his mind sometime during his lifetime. Monkeyzpop (talk) 23:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
- Did he die as an atheist or as an protestant? 83.84.17.246 (talk) 13:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Original research is not permitted
If a claim is made it must be from a reliable source, with citation. This is basic policy and must be followed. While we may be interested in a celebrity we are not allowed to throw in our opinion of might be true.Chagallophile (talk) 18:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Number of producers
The number of 'producers' in the first paragraph of the section "Directing and producing" needs to be reduced; at the moment, there are at least eight examples. Maybe this paragraph requires a complete re-write. It's not good.
RASAM (talk) 16:43, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Assessment comment
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Burt Lancaster/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Unsourced. From Talk page, it appears to duplicate material at IMDB (or vice versa). Yksin 01:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 01:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 10:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Whit Bissel
Article says: Lancaster appeared in six films with Whit Bissell; Brute Force, Gunfight at the OK Corral, The Manchurian Candidate, Birdman of Alcatraz, Seven Days in May and Airport.
Lancaster did not appear in The Manchurian Candidate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:1103:C05E:BE85:56FF:FEDD:CA90 (talk) 04:58, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Fixed --Light show (talk) 05:28, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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didn't appear 'nude' in the swimmer
he arrived at the pool of the couple who were nudists. they were 'nude' and lancaster stripped off, but he modestly covered his genitals
31.50.48.91 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:18, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Circus and military career
The photo caption for Lancaster & Nick Cravat reads that they were part of the Federal Theatre Project circus; however, there is no mention of the Federal Theatre Project or its circus in this section's content. I have heard & read from various sources that Lancaster "got his start" in the Federal Theatre Project. BubbleDine (talk) 23:54, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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Allegations of child sexual abuse
I just added this section and welcome any discussion/feedback. I reference an interview done a couple of years ago with Sara Mason. For what it's worth, I attended her show in 2015 and it was both horrifying and compelling. I have also reached out to her directly to find out if she has a source from a newspaper I can reference.Wealthistime (talk) 08:09, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- Problem is that I can't find a single legitimate source backing up her claims. The only thing you find with a google search are promotional articles and reviews about her show, and even that is limited, but nothing else. No newspaper articles, nor on sites of CNN, NBC,... and the lot. Also Lancaster isn't able to confirm or refute it anymore so this might very well be a comercial gimmick by Mason. So without corraborating articles, it seems pretty fringe. After all the only source you gave is Mason herself, and a blog post. So without independent sources, this seems to be not according to wiki policy.-- fdewaele, 21 September 2019, 13:54 CET.
I appreciate your comment. My argument for the section remaining is that it is titled "Allegations of..." To you're point, there is no proof as to whether or not the allegation is actually true, but there is proof that Sara Mason did, in fact, make the allegation. And that's why I chose the title and verbiage of the section very carefully. People CAN verify that she made the allgeation. In fact, the blog article contains an interview with Mason where she is quoted directly stating that Lancaster was a paedophile. So in my opionion, there is sufficient searchable evidence that the "allegation was made", and that's why I believe it should be noted in the Wiki. However, I will see if I can find an additional source- perhaps I can contact Mason directly and find out. Wealthistime (talk) 06:53, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- Simply putting the proper title on it, doesn't make it verifiable. I looked for any other source than a blog and publicity for her comedy routine, could find zero. It reads as publicity and simply doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards. Contacting Mason wouldn't validate it further but rather put you as an editor in need of disclosing things. Please remove this content until you can establish veracity in established Wikipedia citation methods, its tabloid journalism not encyclopedic and doesn't belong until standards met. Jennablurrs7575 (talk) 22:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- I respectfully disagree. The blog contains an interview which DOES verify she made the allegation. I reviewed wikipedias guidelines and i dont see anything saying its directly prohibited. I agree blogs are not usually a good source, but they don't normally contain interviews either. I believe in this case its a sufficient source to verify she made the allegation. Also, i never said that attempting to contact Mason would validate anything, i merely said that perhaps i could try contacting her to see if she knows of additional sources (ie..if she did other interviews). Wealthistime (talk) 22:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- Your missing the point, any person can make an allegation, it doesn't mean it belongs on Wikipedia. In 4 years no other source but a blog has paid heed, not even lesser invalid citation style/sources that are still unacceptable by WP. Are you going to remove it? Letting it remain here GIVES it credence it didn't have before. You can put it back if you do the research and find a primary source outside of her allegation. That's the point of WP policy that you claim to have viewed but want to forgo in favor of your opinion that, hey there's no proof, but if I word it properly its okay to write it up? Respectfully, its just not, and needs to be removed until you do that work. Jennablurrs7575 (talk) 23:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Army service info
The National Personnel Records Administration lists him a entrainment specialist and his U.S. Army serial/service number as 32694076 with dates of service as January 2, 1943 to October 14, 1945. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 18:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Political Activism
Previously, it was stated that Burt was the only major male movie star to attend the Rock Hudson AIDS benefit. Per the New York Times article cited, he was not the only major male star who attended. Burt Reynolds was prominently mentioned throughout as being strongly involved with the event: https://www.nytimes.com/1985/09/20/us/hollywood-turns-out-for-aids-benefit.html Thechillingofasacredbeer (talk) 11:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
lawsuit
Lancaster's daughters and granddaughter filed suit in 2005 over some of his films basically being given away. I can't find anything that happened with that lawsuit. anybody know? https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-jun-12-ca-burt12-story.html 100.15.117.34 (talk) 21:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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