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Name of article

Why still name of article is Stepanakert? It is already in a control of Azerbaijan. It is not Stepanakert. It should be changed to Khankendi -- Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 21:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In my personal opinion, the current name would probably end up being kept on the grounds of WP:COMMONNAME.
RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 21:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are several names of cities that had their name changed in the past few decades, and their names were changed in wikipedia. Several in the 2000s one as recently as 2019. And wikipedia changed the name, lets stay consistent here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_city_name_changes?useskin=vector Midgetman433 (talk) 11:45, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Xankəndi

after September conflicts in Qarabağ this city is controling by Azerbijan so we should change the name of article Abolfazlyashar (talk) 16:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Azerbaijani army hasn't entered the city proper yet and the flag hasn't been raised as it happened recently e.g. in Aghdara. This says that until 2025 Khankendi will host Russian peacekeepers and the city will be governed on a mixed basis, with no Azerbaijani police yet. I think we should wait a bit until the city is brought under full Azerbaijani control. Brandmeistertalk 16:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is sufficient. Emreculha (talk) 15:34, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Azerbaijani army entered the proper city and the flag of Azerbaijan has been raised in Khankendi. Azerbaijani polices are the olny policing force that police the Khankendi city currently. The Khankendi city is now under full Azerbaijani control. The building of
the so-called "Ministry of Internal Affairs" of the separatist regime in Karabakh is under full Azerbaijani control. [https:// t.co /swmKaklrJp Video of Azerbaijani police in central Khankendi]. The terrorist separatist regime dissolved itself. Azerbaijan has full control. The name of the city must be changed from Stepanakert to Khankendi.78.164.52.103 (talk) 06:34, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
President of Azerbaijan entered to Khankendi. No dispute exists. The name has not been changed yet. 194.135.167.168 (talk) 14:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name of Khankendi

Dear @RadioactiveBoulevardier, I followed your arguments in the discussion article. There are issues you are right about. However, there are also controversial issues in this (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)) article.

  1. 1 When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it. (Stepanakert is Armenian, Khankendi is Azerbaijani). There is no English name to verify to this city. (There is no option like Munich- Munchen) (Kindly check Rule: English name)
  1. 2 You said that English media use the name "Stepanakert". However, both names are used in the sources. VOA News 1 , VOA News 2, The Times 1, Times 2, Reuters, AP
  1. 3 For modern country names, The World Factbook maintained by the Central Intelligence Agency is current and continuously updated , The name of this city written as a Khankendi in CIA World Factbook Map Source (Kindly check Rule: Widely accepted name, art. #7)
  1. 4 Until 1991, the name of the city of St. Petersburg was "Leningrad". It was also mentioned that way in British sources. The Soviet Union collapsed, the city's name was changed to St. Petersburg. Why wasn't Leningrad used despite the legal change?

In addition to these arguments, the city is completely under Azerbaijani control. The lands in question are considered Azerbaijani territory by the United Nations. (Kindly check city names of Turkish Republic Northern Cyprus).

For the above reasons, I recommend changing the name of the page to Khankendi. Emreculha (talk) 22:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the principle of Wikipedia:COMMONNAME, Stepanakert is the most commonly used name of the city and the name that it’s 75,000 residents used for it until very recently so that’s why it’s the article title. TagaworShah (talk) 22:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is any logical relationship between naming and population. The cities of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus are calls with Turkish names by their inhabitants. Please indicate the source for the article you are talking about (Especially against cl. #3). If Wikipedia's criteria are going to contradict each other, there is no point in discussing it anyway.Emreculha (talk) 22:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia policy is clear, the most commonly used name in reliable sources is the one that is used for the article, for this article that name is Stepanakert. TagaworShah (talk) 22:29, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia: Naming conventions (geographic names) rules are clear. It determines the conditions. It would not make sense to name the substance just because 75,000 people who "lived" there use a name. I am still waiting for source informations against cl. #2 and #3. Emreculha (talk) 22:34, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A quick Google Trends search shows overwhelming use of Stepanakert: even in Turkey, for the past 12 months there's a 2:1 ratio for searches of "Stepanakert". The top news results for "Khankendi" on Brave Search are all .az domains.
I wasn't arguing in favor of one side of the argument or another, merely explaining to our Russian-speaking visiting colleague where I assume consensus is currently at. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 23:56, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
TagaworShah Unfortunately, you are clearly taking a biased approach. Xankendi is currently under the control of the Azerbaijani police and army. All Armenian flags in the city have been lowered. Even on the roads leading to the city, the Azerbaijani name of the city is written on the roadside signs. In such a case, to what extent is it correct to use the unofficial name of the city? --Baskervill (talk) 01:01, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what kind of data you got from Google Trends. However, no one calls this city Stepanakert in Turkey. However, we are talking about a city that is completely under the control of a country. (and it is a very politically sensitive city)--Emreculha (talk) 05:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @RadioactiveBoulevardier, First of all, I didn't know about Google Trends. Thank you :)
However, you made a name mistake while doing research on Google Trends. In Turkey Turkish, the name of the city is "Hankendi", not "Khankendi".
If it is valid, you can see that the name Hankendi has a ratio of approximately 9:1 in the comparison in question (yearly). (source)-Emreculha (talk) 05:58, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After adding Hankendi and Xankendi, the numbers in US, UK, India, Canada, etc are still overwhelmingly preferring Stepanakert. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 06:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@RadioactiveBoulevardier, I think I'm making a mistake somewhere. UK and US results are different for me. (with Khankendi). Source 1, Source 2.
I think it would be better to search for "Khankendi" for the English version, "Xankendi" for the Azerbaijani version, and "Hankendi" for the Turkish version. Emreculha (talk) 06:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally Canada and India, Germany If I'm making a mistake somewhere, please correct me Emreculha (talk) 06:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the (full) link to what I mentioned above: [1] RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 06:57, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, are you searching for the term "Khankendi", or the whole topic (which Google has decided should be headed by that name)? RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 07:01, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately due to the way Trends URLs work I can't really see much of what you actually searched for. Check the links in a new tab. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 06:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know why the links are not opening. It works for me too. Another point is that there is only one version of the concept of Stepanakert, but there are different versions as Hankendi, Khankendi, Xankendi, Xankəndi. The trend is different for each. I can't understand why it doesn't open for you (source) Emreculha (talk) 08:19, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't agree more with Emreculha's statements. The region has been entirely captured by Azerbaijan, and the mainstream media began using Khankendi as the prime name. For instance, BBC uses Khankendi as the main name here[2]. EloquentEditor (talk) 12:23, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Name of article should be changed to Khankendi, its official name, definitely. Big media companies including BBC, Al Jazeera mentioned name of city as Khankendi, not Stepanakert. Not only this article, all of places where was under the control of Republic of Artsakh should be changed to official names. Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 19:43, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This most recent link works, but it seems to show overwhelming use of "Stepanakert" in the Anglophone world. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 21:18, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming to Khankendi

Discussion by non-ECP editors that are not allowed to participate in move discussions in the Armenia-Azerbaijan topic due to GS/AA signed, Rosguill talk 16:30, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The city is under the full jurisdiction of Azerbaijan, which is proven by the latest visit of President of Azerbaijan Aliyev to the city. Besides, world-known media such as ABC News [3], Reuters [4], and even France24, which is known for pro-Armenian coverages, [5] have started presenting Khankendi as the main name and adding "known as Stepanakert by Armenians". Thus, the article's name must certainly be renamed to Khankendi as it is stated in WP:COMMON. EloquentEditor (talk) 08:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am agree. Gadir (talk) 12:16, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am waiting for other editors' responses so we can come to an agreement and take action. EloquentEditor (talk) 13:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
👍 Gadir (talk) 13:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think, with also usage of Khankendi by big media outlets, it conforms to WP policies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yakamoz51 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With the reasons and sources I have stated here , I think the name of the page should be changed to Khankendi. -- Emreculha (talk) 08:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wikipedia:Official names, we do not change the name of an article just to recognize an official name. The naming of the article should be in accordance with the provisions of Wikipedia:Article titles#Deciding on an article title. Among other considerations, has "Khankendi" replaced "Stepanankert" as the "commonly recognized name" of the city? - Donald Albury 12:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As Emreculha and EloquentEditor mentioned above and I add more, English media use both names. But they usually use Khankendi as the main name and add "known as Stepanakert to Armenians". BBC: the city of Khankendi, known as Stepanakert to ArmeniansVOA News 1, VOA News 2, The Times , , Reuters 1, Reuters 2 , AP 1, AP 2, AP 3 ABC News, and even France24 says "the city of Khankendi, known as Stepanakert to Armenians".

The World Factbook maintained by the Central Intelligence Agency updated the name of this city as Khankendi Factbook

Given that big media outlets, CIA factbook, and all the current residents of the city use Khankendi , we can definitely say that it is the current common name of the city.Yakamoz51 (talk) 09:11, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

English references

In addition to big media outlets, factbook and being official name, Khankendi is also preferred by English reference sources such as Oxford Reference, britannica encyclopedia.com Yakamoz51 (talk) 08:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion by non-ECP editors that are not allowed to participate in move discussions in the Armenia-Azerbaijan topic due to GS/AA Donald Albury 12:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, replaced. Because all the people who called the city Stepanakert left there. And the city is now inhabited by those who call it as Khankendi. And according to all the laws of that territory, it is called only "Khankendi" . 109.87.192.15 (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Only Khankendi, no Stepanakert

An unrecognized state in Nagorno-Karabakh no longer exists, the city of Khankendi is completely under the control of Azerbaijan, they even hung a state flag there. But the Armenian moderator cancel edits about renaming the city, leaving the unrecognized and irrelevant name “Stepanakert”. Please make the title "Khankendi" in the article 109.87.192.15 (talk) 15:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The name of this city is de jure and de facto "Khankendi"

The flag of Azerbaijan has been raised in "Khankendi" and de facto Azerbaijani rule have been established! All international organizations states that this citys name is "Khankendi" and all the countries recognized by the UN (legitimate states) refers the name of this as "Khankendi". The source below (which is neutral and well recognized) states that the flag of the Azerbaijani republic have been raised and de facto sovereign control has been established by the republic of Azerbaijan. Therefore the title "Stepanakert" needs to be edited to its original name of the settlement, which is "Khankendi". https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20231015-azerbaijan-president-raises-national-flag-in-nagorno-karabakh-capital HistoricalFactCheckX (talk) 10:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Artsakh map

In my opinion, there is no valid reason to have the Republic of Artsakh map in the article since the republic has de-facto dissolved and the city is under the Azerbaijani control. I did not want to edit the article before knowing your opinions. EloquentEditor (talk) 12:18, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality?

2023, it was reported that Azerbaijani authorities had taken control of the city, with almost the entire Armenian population having forced to flee to Armenia ahead of their advancing forces.

Azerbaijan want the city population to stay but Armenian politicians in Yerevan want them to move to Armenia.

Be Neutral please? Wikipedia is the place where the poor kids learn, please don't destroy those poor kids future. 2404:C0:5410:0:0:0:9CB:6E36 (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recapture instead of capture

For neutrality, we should change “Capture by Azerbaijan” to Recapture by Azerbaijan. Camal2015 (talk) 20:55, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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