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@Toddy1 it seems there is some issue with India at the 2022 Asian Games article. The sections in the article are open by default and it is not closing. Do you also see the same or is there a problem with me only. Every other article is correct only this seems strange. Can you help? Shaan SenguptaTalk 16:37, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you view on a computer (e.g. a laptop) or on a smartphone (e.g. an iPhone)?
I view on a computer. I looked at Indonesia at the 2022 Asian Games and India at the 2022 Asian Games; everything seems normal to me in both articles.
You say The sections in the article are open by default and it is not closing. Are you saying that you expect readers to click on an expand button to view sections, as in the following example?

Example Section 1

Extended content

Key Note–Ranks given for track events are within the athlete's heat only Q = Qualified for the next round q = Qualified for the next round as a fastest loser or, in field events, by position without achieving the qualifying target SB = Season Best PB = Personal Best NR = National record N/A = Round not applicable for the event Bye = Athlete not required to compete in round

Example Section 2

Extended content

Key: F – Victory by fall. PP – Decision by points – the loser with technical points. PO – Decision by points – the loser without technical points. ST – Great superiority – the loser without technical points and a margin of victory of at least 8 (Greco-Roman) or 10 (freestyle) points.

-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddy1 I am using Android. Indonesia article looks all ok to me too. But the India at the 2022 Asian games article looks wrong. I mean to say that there are sections like Background, Competitors and many more. They are open by default. They dont have opoosite ⁠^ sign at the left. It is there in all other articles. I hope you able to understand. Normally we click on the headers to expand them but in this article it is already expanded. Shaan SenguptaTalk 01:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It does not work that way on a computer; sections are not collapsed.
@Shaan Sengupta. Please try it now. I have made edits to the Level-2 headings. Are they open by default now? What about the Level-3 headings?-- Toddy1 (talk) 05:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. No change. Everything is same. Collapsed default. Also the lead section of the article is below the Infobox. Seems there is an issue with this article in Android version. Can we delete this an then rewrite the same thing. Maybe that can work. Because rest all articles are perfectly fine. Shaan SenguptaTalk 06:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Shaan Sengupta. My understanding is that you are saying that
I have found two more trivial differences and have changed them. Please try again.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. The Indonesia page is all ok. There is some problem with India page. Shaan SenguptaTalk 08:26, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Shaan Sengupta. Another possible explanation is that it is due to the use of Template:colbegin and Template:colend. These are used in India at the 2022 Asian Games to have tables side by side. Have a look at User:Toddy1/Sandbox 10a. I added these templates to it. Does it have the same problem as India at the 2022 Asian Games?

It has got nothing to do with thise tags. Your sandbox is also ok. Shaan SenguptaTalk 08:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddy1 Not starting a new section for this. I was editing Hero of the Luhansk People's Republic page. I tried adding Daily Mail article as an additional reference for Kadyrov as a recipient. But was given trigger warning for filter 869 adding deprecated source. I didn't know that it is not a reliable source. Now I understand that it is not a reliable source. This is the first (or maybe slightly one of the very first two) instances when I have unknowingly triggered (maybe abuse?) filter. Can this invite some action or is it pardoned because its the first (maybe one of the first two) instance. Shaan SenguptaTalk 15:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do not worry. The filters are intended to help you. And yes, I have tried using the Daily Mail as a source where appropriate, and eventually somebody removed the bits where the source was that newspaper. Regarding sources:
  • Ukrainska Pravda is a Ukrainian newspaper. Ukrainian newspapers are likely to be the best sources for what happens in Ukraine - though they may be biased concerning anti-Ukrainian terrorist organisations like the Luhansk People's Republic.
  • Tass is a biased source. It is undoubtedly reliable for things like the Russian government making awards - and the Luhansk People's Republic is more-or-less controlled by the Russian government. It is reliable for saying that the Russian government says X (preferably putting the statement as a quotation). It is completely untrustworthy for questions like who murdered X, or how many casualties there were, or whether X is a Nazi.
  • Reuters is a good source.
  • I am not familiar with antikor.com.ua, but a search shows that it is used as a source in 21 articles.[1]
The version of the Hero of the Donetsk People's Republic article of 16 February 2018[2] is much richer in terms of both notable recipients and citations than the current version. Given that it is likely that the Russians murdered Alexander Zakharchenko, perhaps he is being airbrushed out of history by them.
There is a problem on Wikipedia of editors enforcing policies that they have never read. If you want to argue the case for sources some editors might have difficulty accepting, you need to read the policies carefully, check Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and possibly the archives of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, and if you still want to use them, make the case on the article talk page about 12 hours before you made the edits that add those sources. Remember there is no use just quoting policy wikilinks, you have to explain what the policy says that is relevant and why that means that source X is OK or not-OK for the purpose you want to use it for.
It is really frustrating dealing with people who in reality have ____I am not allowed to say the word biases, but lack the self-knowledge to realise that they have ____ biases. We all have biases; intelligent people understand what their biases are and because of this are able to compensate for their biases so they behave as though they have no biases.
I have been bruised enough by editing articles on the Ukraine, so I hardly ever do it any more. At one stage I had both Russian and Ukrainian nationalists abusing me - both accused me of being a member of the other group. One tactic that nationalists used was to post abusive messages in Ukrainian slang - admins told me that unless I provided a translation into English, they could take no action. The reason they used slang was to ensure that computer translation would not translate the messages - I imagine they tested the messages before posting them.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Toddy1 Thanks for the explaination. Not only you but many others are experiencing this. I too get into an argument atleast once in a week or two. I try to tell solve the dispute. But there are some who think that they can't be wrong. When we debate them they would just in amidst of that server notices of disruptions and vandalism because they think so. Thatswhy I have now learnt to simply self-revert and back off. Because there is no point in giving your time there. Anways happy editing and thanks once again. Shaan SenguptaTalk 17:39, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at month counts you will see that there are separate contribution gaps in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020 caused by my walking away from conflicts on Wikipedia (the contribution gap in 2022 was caused by pressure of work).-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:23, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Toddy1 I see. And the bad thing is we can't do anything about it. Anways let's leave it here. Going further might invite unintentional WP:CIVIL breaches. Shaan SenguptaTalk 00:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

01 November 2023

Hi, please see to Aurangabad Division page which is moved without discussion on Chhatrapati SambhajiNagar division, name chane is proposed by State Government, for the division but still case is going on in Bombay High court [3] kindly move the article to previous page which is Aurangabad Division. Eaglespirit (talk) 22:46, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have put in a request for this at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests.[4] -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And you can see how quickly the request was processed.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you also suspect?

Hello @Toddy1, I am not pinging them to hide it for now. Has Lionel Messi Lover here on his talk page admitted that Diamond Leveler is their sock account? Because they say that Sorry, I didn't knew the WP:SOCK policy and I will it as soon as possible. I ignored it then because DL was not active for months. But both the accounts are currently active. He also has clearly admitted that in the same disscussion that Settings gujrti is their other account, but this may be let gone since it is not registered on enwiki. Can you help me here. If these are sock then the case will be by the name of LML since they joined first. Also should we invite DaxServer and Kautilya3 since they too are involved. Add for their interest it is common. The Indian politics. Particularly Northeast India as can be seen in the contributions. Shaan SenguptaTalk 16:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SOCKLEGIT says Alternative accounts should always be identified as such on their user pages, unless where doing so would defeat the point of the account. Note "user pages" not "talk page".
Interaction editor shows an overlap. The post of 13:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC) admits that the two accounts are operated by the same person, and that the use of the Diamond Leveler account on Wikipedia was an error. Their contribution history on Commons suggests that this could be a truthful explanation. But the error has occurred at least seven times. And I do not understand why they need so many ongoing accounts.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Toddy1, Thanks for the help. I have filed the report at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lionel Messi Lover. You might want to add something. Shaan SenguptaTalk 18:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (November 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Cabrils was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Well done on creating the draft, and it may potentially meet the relevant requirements (including WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO) but presently it is not clear that it does. As you may know, Wikipedia's basic requirement for entry is that the subject is notable. Essentially subjects are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. To properly create such a draft page, please see the articles ‘Your First Article’, ‘Referencing for Beginners’ and ‘Easier Referencing for Beginners’. Also, if you have any connection to the subject, including being paid, you have a conflict of interest that you must declare on your Talk page (to see instructions on how to do this please click the link). Please familiarise yourself with these pages before amending the draft. If you feel you can meet these requirements, then please make the necessary amendments before resubmitting the page. It would help our volunteer reviewers by identifying, on the draft's talk page, the WP:THREE best sources that establish notability of the subject. You may also wish to leave a note for me on my talk page and I would be happy to reassess.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
Cabrils (talk) 00:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, Toddy1! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Cabrils (talk) 00:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I guess it will be deleted then.-- Toddy1 (talk) 05:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I appreciate your suggestions, Toddy1. I will certainly take them into consideration as I continue to contribute. Contributor00001 (talk) 11:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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