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Contested deletion

1292simon, mind specifying how you find this so promotional that you nominated this for speedy? GeraldWL 07:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (I don't understand why the article was nominated for speedy deletion as G11. I don't see the WP:PROMO issues here. It may contain content that's not encyclopedic and can be fixed with a slight effort.) --VirenRaval89 (talk) 11:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLPPRIVACY

We need evidence that this article was written by a paid editor, otherwise the assertion is just drive-by tagging. WWGB (talk) 07:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well said, I did a bit of research but I couldn't find any evidence either hence removing the tag. SkyGeek123 (talk) 16:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I know, but I had to put it out there, get it into the history. I have the email exchange from a paid editor who was offering to create a page for $850. I asked for examples of their past work (to potentially out them, not to consider hiring them). This is one of four articles they claim to have created. I have the email. It's not adequate proof, but it is a warning sign. The page creator's contribution history has made others think that person must be getting paid to create and/or edit articles. See the March 2021 section: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:VirenRaval89&oldid=1015255209 Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 18:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Most Watched Flight Reviewer

Since this has been discussed, here is a source that put things into perspective. According to SocialBlade Cahill has reached over 10 Million viewers in the past 4 months (https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/joshcahill) - a lot more than other flight reviewers. Seems like a legit statement to me. Thoughts? SkyGeek123 (talk) 14:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That source says nothing about Cahill being "most watched". Report his number of views by all means, but you cannot make assertions without a reliable source. Where is the evidence of his views being "a lot more than other flight reviewers"? WWGB (talk) 14:08, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Kam Air invited YouTube's most-watched aviation aficionado and flight reviewer, Josh Cahill, to experience the flight. Here is the right source: https://simpleflying.com/kam-air-all-female/ SkyGeek123 (talk) 14:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would like to chip in here too. Article says he is the most watched flight reviewer, hence your edit WWGB isn't valid since you mention yourself that it may not be true without giving a source. 77.242.124.204 (talk) 11:31, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can't be bothered arguing with you JC. Enjoy Surfshark. WWGB (talk) 11:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Another assumption showing your bias and conflict of interest, most likely paid editing. 77.242.124.204 (talk) 12:00, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What about Sam Chui?

According to YouTube, airline reviewer Sam Chui has 742 million views, while Cahill has 93 million views. How can Cahill be most watched? 203.166.241.198 (talk) 03:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Sam Chui is a flight reviewer. He states on his website that he announces himself to the airline before flying with them and that he gets sponsored too. Sam only features aviation content but he doesn't review any airlines. Sam is an aviation influencer rather. 77.242.124.204 (talk) 05:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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"Incidents" section

Is it really necessary to list ALL kinds of "incidents", that in reality are just summaries of one or multiple of his videos and the conflict between him and an airline or other institution/person? Does not seem to be relevant enough. 2001:9E8:62CF:B00:8DB7:9BCF:5DE:E361 (talk) 22:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the incidents section should be removed since Wikipedia is not to be used as a News page. I don't think it's relevant. HansoGalaxy (talk) 11:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name and nationality

I believe it is reasonably well established that Josh Cahill is actually Aljoscha Wendholt, but I understand there is significant doubt about his claims to be Australian. Reliable sources either way would be good to add. Jpatokal (talk) 02:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't a single source suggesting any of these claims. Here for example is a photo of his boarding pass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCzLcxbrF_c (Time stamp: 02:44) suggesting clearly the name Josh Cahill. This smearing campaign has been going for months. It also falls under WP:PRIVACY. 181.212.14.193 (talk) 02:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PRIVACY is about doxxing editors, not public figures. Here's a source for you: TBC Asia [1] for the Cinnamon Travel Bloggers Conference
2022 in Colombo, Sri Lanka (where Josh lives) lists the presenter of gotravelyourway.com (Josh's blog) as "Aljoscha Wendholt", complete with a thumbnail of his face. Another: freiepresse.de featuring "Josh Cahill-Wendholt from Mildenau". Of course it's entirely possible that he is a dual and/or naturalized Australian citizen and legally changed his name. Jpatokal (talk) 08:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your first source freiepresse.de only features Josh Cahill and nothing containing Wendholt. The second source is a simple picture and you base this on if/maybe. Something major like a name change needs a proper references and not some speculations. I also work in aviation for 2 decades and follow trip reporters religiously and I never heard of your "well established" facts. Sorry to say but this doesn't reasonable at all especially citing references that don't contain the claims you made. 200.54.150.42 (talk) 09:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Whoah, this is getting curiouser and curiouser: the live page indeed says "Josh Cahill", but the Google cache dated 9 Nov 2023 11:12:09 GMT says "Josh Cahill-Wendholt"! So somebody -- who could it possibly be? -- is going around scrubbing references off the Internet. Jpatokal (talk) 21:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm trying to get the logic here (apart that you added a source that doesn't support any of your claims and your so-called well established facts, that myself as an aviation veteran has never heard of). If I post a photo of Sam Chui on a website with 10 page views a day and put Noel Philips as caption, does it mean I can head over to his wikipedia page and use it a source? Maybe you should read this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources - to me it appears that you have an agenda or are paid to do this given the current Qatar controversy. HansoGalaxy (talk) 11:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
An agenda to do what, exactly? You'll note from the page history I'm the one who first added mention of the Qatar controversy, and in terms apparently sufficiently neutral that nobody has changed them for the past week. Jpatokal (talk) 21:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It may not be, but both sources provided don't include the name you suggested hence the confusion. It does seem like a planned campaign since it comes from the same anonymous IP. 181.118.69.203 (talk) 09:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please everyone here, stop edit-warring on the article page and claiming there is a consensus here, until the consensus is actually achieved. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 10:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Cahill is a brand name. His name is Aljoscha Wendholt:

Welt is a reliable source in Germany and it says he was born in Nordrhein-Westfalen and raised in Mildenau, the Erzgebirge region in Saxony. So he is not Australian. Here are videos of him speaking native German:

At one point he goes by the name "Josh Cahill-Wendholt":

Here is also a YouTube video of him when he changed to Josh Cahill and the presenter said that he is from the Erzgebirge:

There is a multiple videos that show his legal name "Josh Cahill" on his boarding pass:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCzLcxbrF_c&t=164s
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtzEu-r3-VY&t=29s
Videos of him speaking German don't suggest anything?
Also your suggest sources:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-mbCB9U_gtE
Presenter introduces him as Josh Cahill
- https://www.freiepresse.de/erzgebirge/annaberg/per-anhalter-geht-s-um-die-halbe-welt-artikel7479023
Name is only Josh Cahill in the article.
Your sources don't suggest anything really. 181.118.69.203 (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why can't you be Australian citizen if you speak native German? 50% of Australian are born overseas. This is quite a racist remark.
Also the TV host in your shows introduces him as Josh Cahill only, so according to your source, he is indeed Josh Cahill. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-mbCB9U_gtE)
The freie presse article only says Josh Cahill as well. https://www.freiepresse.de/erzgebirge/annaberg/per-anhalter-geht-s-um-die-halbe-welt-artikel7479023 - so once again your source doesn't provide any truth.
Is there any article that says Josh Cahill is Aljosha Wondholt? Please provide it otherwise its just rumours and speculations. HansoGalaxy (talk) 10:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That racism accusation is quite rich coming from an account only dedicated to edit and polish Josh Cahill's article. He speaks native German because he was born in Nordrhein-Westfalen and grew up in the Erzgebirge. A lot of the links I put already show Cahill himself as Aljoscha Wendholt, and there was even a proof of his "transition" as "Josh Cahill-Wendholt". What is the proof that he was born in Melbourne? Nothing, only his own claim in a poscast. If you really believe in 100% of his claims, then simply watch his videos where he flexed his German passport. Where is his Australian passport?
The TV show clearly says he is from the Erzgebirge, which further brings into doubt the veracity of the claim that he is Australian. So nice of you to omit that important detail.
The Freie Presse link clearly says this:
"Das heißt es ab Donnerstag für Josh Cahill-Wendholt und Harbir Parmar. Der eine stammt aus Mildenau, .."
Another important detail you omitted: the article says he is from Mildenau in the Erzgebirge! Nothing about Australia or Melbourne

At this point it seems that this user, who is dedicated only to polish Josh Cahill's page, is arguing in bad faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.125.133.223 (talk) 11:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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