Talk:PEN International

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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

International PEN → PEN International – Article calls it "PEN International", and this seems to be the name used on the official website. --McGeddon (talk) 13:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support, and keep alternate as redirect, because redirects are cheap. :) — Cirt (talk) 18:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support the change with an added redirect. I've always known and seen it as PEN International. I wondered if it was to distinguish it from local/national chapters of PEN. But even so 'PEN international' seems to be the common name for the org and therefore should be the article title. Span (talk) 23:53, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. What the history page on the PEN website says is that it was founded in 1921 simply as PEN, that it subsequently acquired national chapters, that the parent body became known as International PEN to distinguish it, but that it was rebranded in 2010 (not 2011, as this article currently says) as PEN International. Having said that, I've been aware of it for years as PEN International, so I think that name must already have been in use informally. I will make a minor edit now to correct the date, but there is no doubt that the official name is now PEN International, and that should be the page title. GrindtXX (talk) 00:39, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Norman Mailer???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdQcusxaBEY

According to this clip from a 1986 "Firing Line," Mailer was "The President of PEN." I don't know if that was PEN Intl. or The US PEN??? However, I remember that time quite well and Mailer was very involved with the organization, raised a lot of money, and, in 1989, persuaded Stephen King to threaten Barnes and Noble Books stores with "pulling" all his best sellers if B&N did not prominently display Salman Rushdie's _Satanic Verses_ in all its stores. I think you need to include Mailer on this page and do more research on his role in the organization. Thanks.johncheverly 17:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"It is the world's oldest human rights organization"?

"It is the world's oldest human rights organization" - that might come as a surprise to the Red Cross (1863). Any reason not to edit down that claim? Tbanderson (talk) 08:49, 29 April 2015 (UTC) It also might come as a surprise to the ACLU (1920)! C. Cerf (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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PEN International presidents, 2018

Hi, reading article Paata Shamugia, it states he is PEN president from 2018 to present. Asking for help to verify and possibly update wikitable, or correct the Paata article. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 17:58, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]