Talk:1 Wall Street Court

NRHP listed as Beaver Building Listed July 6, 2005 NR 05000668

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:33, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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1 Wall Street Court

• ... that 1 Wall Street Court (pictured) was the headquarters of a shipping line and the world's largest cocoa market before becoming condominiums? Source: NYCLPC p. 4, Curbed
  • ALT1:... that during construction of the 1 Wall Street Court (pictured), some of the workers went on strike, prompting the contractor to hire longshoremen? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/57538892/
  • ALT2:... that 1 Wall Street Court (pictured), built as a speculative development on a narrow lot, was the headquarters of a shipping line and the world's largest cocoa market? Source: NYCLPC pp. 2, 4

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/List of international goals scored by Alfredo Di Stéfano
• Comment: More hooks may come later. I removed a large copyright violation just before expanding this page. The expansion is calculated from the first clean version after the copyright violation was removed.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:54, 21 August 2020 (UTC).

After the copyvio cleanup, it was 850 characters and is now almost 15,000 so well over 5x expansion (which was just completed, so no time issue either). Well cited, no apparent policy issues. No problems with image, available on commons since 2011 and looks good at small size.

I find ALT1 isn't that interesting and ALT2 is wordy. ALT0 is best (the facts are verified in the source), but it really wasn't a "cocoa market", it was a "cocoa futures market" or "cocoa exchange". I propose a slight tweak:

• ALT0a ... that the condo building 1 Wall Street Court (pictured) was once the headquarters of a shipping line and the world's largest cocoa futures market?

If nom is OK with this and provides a QPQ, should be good to go. MB 02:05, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@MB: Thanks for the review. I'm OK with ALT0a, and I've added a QPQ. epicgenius (talk) 23:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Good to go with ALT0a. MB 23:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 18:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Going to review for the GAN October 2020 Backlog Drive. MWright96 (talk) 18:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Infobox

• The hyphen in the address field can be replaced by an en dash (–)
  •  Fixed
• Clinton & Russell's article does not have the & symbol in it
  •  Fixed

Lead

• "The building served as the headquarters of the Munson Steamship Line from 1904 until 1921, and the company owned the building from 1919 to 1937." - repetition of "building"
  •  Fixed

Site

• The second paragraph does not need to begin with exactly the same phrase as the first paragraph
  •  Fixed

Design

• "1 Wall Street Court was designed by Clinton and Russell in the Renaissance Revival style.[9][11][3]" - refs in numerical order please
  •  Done
• "1 Wall Street Court is one of a few buildings in Lower Manhattan that are shaped like a flatiron," - any specific number of buildings?
  • Without going into original research, there's the Flatiron Building itself, and 1 William Street to a lesser extent. However, the sources don't specify a number. epicgenius (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Facade

• "The windows on each side are arranged into bays, with six bays each on Pearl and Beaver Streets and three on the rounded corner." - close repetition of "bays"
  •  Removed
• Wikilink cornice and revolving doors for the uninitiated
  •  Done
• Wikilink fire escape and mezzanine
  •  Done

Features

• Wikilink vestibule to Vestibule (architecture)
  •  Done
• " As built, the building also had two 300 horsepower (220 kW) boilers" - 1 Wall Street Court
  •  Done
• "One magazine said upon the building's completion that 1 Wall Street Court contained possibly" - which magazine?
  •  Added

Construction

• Clinton & Russell article's does not feature the & symbol
  •  Fixed
• "One such project was headed by the Century Realty Company," - led
  •  Done
• "The Remington Construction Company was hired as the contractor. The building was planned to cost $600,000." - consider merging these two sentences together?
  •  Done
• "During construction, some of the workers went on strike," - why did the workers go on strike?
  • I'm not exactly sure. I didn't find sources that said why. epicgenius (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Munson Line use

• "Frank Munson bought the Beaver Building in July 1919," - who was Frank Munson?
• Also I cannot see any explicit mention of Frank Munson in the source provided
  •  Fixed I replaced it with the Munson Steamship Line, which is in the source. epicgenius (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Cocoa Exchange use

• "described at the time as the world's largest cocoa market," - described by whom?
  •  Added

Later use

• "British developers London & Leeds acquired the Beaver Building, at which point about 70% of the space was vacant." - the percent symbol is to be avoided per MOS:PERCENT
  •  Fixed
• "London & Leeds renamed it One Wall Street Court and renovated the interior. The lobby, elevators, and electrical and HVAC systems were refurbished." - I think these two sentences can be merged together
  •  Done
• "The building was purchased by Cocoa Partners in 1994." - Maybe expand briefly what Cocoa Partners is?
  •  Done I think it's just a holding company for the actual owners, as is common in real estate here. epicgenius (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
• "the commercial space was occupied by a "massive store" called" - think the text in quotation marks can be reworded
  •  Done

Critical reception

• "The writer Herbert Croly was one of the proponents of such decoration." - what magazine was Croly writing for at the time?
  •  Added
• "1 Wall Street Court was made a New York City designated landmark on February 13, 1996." - who gave out the designation exactly?
  •  Added

References

• Reference 35 "The Planning and Construction of High Office-buildings" the publisher "J Wiley & sons" the word "sons" can begin with a capital letter
  •  Done
• Although not deemed unreliable or possibly unsafe, I think Reference 55 can be replaced by a higher quality source where possible that states that a sushi restaurant was opened at the building's base in 2005
  • Sadly, this was the only source I could find about this, even on ProQuest. epicgenius (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)′

Overall, a nicely written article. Will put on hold to allow the nominator to address or query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 10:36, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@MWright96: Thank you for the review. I've addressed all of these points, though I could not solve a few of them. epicgenius (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 15:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)