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Music Career section needs an update

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The Music career section of this article is out of date. It ends with "The House You're Building", ignoring any discography after that (which is in the article itself!). I'll try to update later, but right now I"m tied up on a couple other articles. Luthien22 (talk) 17:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Self-published interview citations

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In addition to adding a tag to call the ReFill team, to fill bare URLs, I added other tags to call attention to pervasive problems (in particular, lack of sourcing for many purported factual statements).

But one tag can be quickly removed, when an editor can speak to a particular WP:OR and WP:VERIFY issue. The article repeatedly cites a source by "Amos, Evan", which links to an interview transcription at commons. Apparently, a WP editor called up the artist, asked a series of questions, and then posted the transcript to commons. This appears to me to be an attempt to do an "end-around" WP prohibitions of original research and self-published material—i.e., material appearing in WP for the very first time—in particular, material that lacks reliability because it is presented without the participation of a publisher, where fact-checking or other journalistic standards might expect to be applied. The "Amos, Evan" citation appears to violate WP policies and guidelines, in this regard, and I think should be removed.

Otherwise, the article's sources were given a "once-over", and made more uniform, and completed where such was possible. Cases where content in the article was not found in the citation were removed (e.g., see the Billboard 200 entry, now in Further reading). Note, there are still many places where citations are lacking (inline tags placed after checking the nearby citations), and several examples where the only source cited is a personal Tweet or Facebook post of the article subject. Hence, the refimprove tag at the article head.

Finally, I understand the perspective that one need not over-tag. But the appearance of some sentences with {{cn}} tags does not mean that all sentences have been checked—they have not, in today's edits—and so the reader, coming to the article or to a section, is entitled to a warning that the content they are reading is less reliable than they might hope. Cheers, and happy New Year, fellow editors who care about reliability at WP. 2601:246:C700:19D:A098:24BE:6BDE:95CA (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bare URLs fixed, while the overuse of the NRT bio and the interview is problematic, a "better source" is not needed. I've made other fixes. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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If you say...that NRT, which of late has turned into a site that reproduces artist press releases, is a reputable source for artist content, then I will have to take your word. But in its early days it was a site much like IMDB and Wikipedia, and other User-maintained sites, which generated content through volunteer editors. (To my knowledge, these have never been considered the best sources, hence the [better source needed] tag.) Otherwise, note, I have repeatedly found fraudulently labeled/construed citations in this article—if I recall, even this NRT article originally was represented as an "Official Bio" or some such. And as you see in my last lead edit, an earlier editor construed appearance on a list of many artists as this artist having won an award. So please AGF with my editing. The careful scrutiny and tags that appear do indeed have a basis (including for the NRT that you just removed). Cheers, and thanks in this New Year for your continuing efforts to make all articles, including this one, encyclopedic. 2601:246:C700:19D:A098:24BE:6BDE:95CA (talk) 19:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, NRT was never like IMDB. https://www.newreleasetoday.com/artistdetail.php?artist_id=2912 clearly shows that it was edited by NRT staff, and, assuming the date format is m.d.y, it was two years ago. That they re-branded from "New Release Tuesday" to "New Release Today" means that many of the URLs can be updated. It's not my favourite site, but it's not unreliable and the bio here seems to be taken from previous interviews. The compendium could also be an edited collection of press releases, but that seems less likely.
Your key point, though, is that it relies too heavily on a select series of sources and we need more sources, and ideally sources that are more trusted. I assume you would like to see more content from mainstream publications such as Billboard, trade magazines, and less from Christian music industry sources. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I did indeed notice that a small editorial team was in place at NRT (as IMDB and other wiki sites have staff), but that they solicited contributors of laypersons through a registration process. That observation, the fact that there is no author of the article, the fact that the article is very long and filled with purportedly accurate biographical detail, and the fact that it is used repeatedly as a source here, made me suspicious that this was a misuse of a collection of user-contributed material, rather than proper use of a composition that was fact-checked in a normal journalistic venue. But, I trust your judgment on this matter; the source evaluation in this area is outside of my area of expertise. With regard to use of Variety, Billboard, trade magazines, and the like (versus Christian music industry sources)—I have no opinion, except to say that high quality sources, wherever they are found, that are fine per WP:VERIFY standards, are of course fine by me. 2601:246:C700:19D:A893:D336:57FE:E91C (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The content on the NRT bio page is likely, as I suggested earlier, a collection of previous interviews, not user-contributed material. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arab-American

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@PiaLily: has the correct edit. Nowhere in the sources does it say her father or family is Arab-American. Elizium23 (talk) 07:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No disagreement. It should have been changed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:41, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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