Talk:Gothic metal

The article is contradictory

This article has a huge contradiction. In the beginning and the "Characteristics" section the gothic metal genre is decribed as a subgenre of death-doom with corresponding features. However, later Evanescence, HIM and Nightwish are introduced despite having 0% death-doom influence. So you should either remove the mention of death-doom and bands that play in this style (real gothic metal) completely, or remove the pseudo gothic metal bands and create a separate article for them. The way this page looks now is unacceptable and misleading. The sentence that is started with "Other variations include" doesn't have any sources. 5.18.243.129 (talk) 21:38, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

• Because none of these bands are Gothic metal, and the article is ridiculously bad. Beaumain (talk) 20:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

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First usage of the "Gothic Metal" label

Citing Gavin Baddeley - a reasonably informed source - the article's "Etymology" section opens by stating that the "gothic metal" tag was first used with Paradise Lost's 1991 "Gothic" album. That's actually incorrect. There is a headline from an August 1990 The Morning Call article that reads: "ON TOUR, GOTHIC METAL BAND DANZIG USUALLY GOES IT ALONE". Here's the source: [1]. I think that should be mentioned in the article. Musicaindustrial (talk) 12:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

The term already appeared in 1985 in connection with the band 45 Grave. Could be older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.70.206.102 (talk) 06:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Were the "Peaceville Three" the true pioneers of Gothic Metal?

It appears to be common knowledge that Paradise Lost initiated gothic metal with Gothic - female vocals, the orchestral flourishes, the goth rock influence - but it was really with 1993's Icon that the blueprint of goth metal was laid ([2]). The other two british death-doom bands, My Dying Bride and Anathema, soon followed suit. What I rarely see in articles about goth metal metal's history is that roots of the style were actually in goth bands - specifically Fields of the Nephilim, Sisters of Mercy & Christian Death - making metal-like songs rather than metal bands going goth. An example? Field of the Nephilim's 1988 track "Phobia" sounds a lot like Motörhead's "Ace of Spades": [3]. To be fair, this Wikipedia briefly mentions this. My suggestion: write something about this in the opening paragraphs, before talking about the so-called "Peaceville Three" as the pionners of the subgenre. Musicaindustrial (talk) 14:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

• The Gathering (Always, 1992) and Type O Negative (Bloody Kisses, august 1993) both released gothic metal albums before Icon (september 1993). Tiamat released Wildhoney in 1994, and in 1995, when the other two "followed suit", there were already Inferno by Lacrimosa and Theatre of Tragedy by Theatre of Tragedy. Looks like it's "common knowledge" to just ignore anyone who's not british death-doom. Beaumain (talk) 20:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You also had Saviour Machine's Saviour Machine I released in August 1993 , and the band itself formed in 1989 [4], [5]. All of this can be added, just make sure that it's backed up with references.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Lot of bands are missing...

...and a shit load of crap bands dominates the article. Cradle of Filth? Not Goth metal. Evanescence? Not Goth metal. HIM? I'm really not a fan of bad jokes...

• Cradle of Filth is basically a symphonic black metal band with occasional gothic songs (such as Nymphetamine, Death of Love or The Persecution Song). To them, it seems, these songs serve the same purpose as power ballads for heavy metal bands. Beaumain (talk) 08:00, 29 September 2023 (UTC)