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On 26 February 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Cities and towns during the Russo-Ukrainian War. The result of the discussion was Moved to Control of cities during the Russo-Ukrainian War.

On 30 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Control of localities during the Russo-Ukrainian War. The result of the discussion was Moved to Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War.

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Bilohorivka

Bilohorivka was recaptured by Ukraine in September 2022. On 23 January 2023‎ Russian pressure from the east was added to the map. On 14 April 2023 an editor changed its status in the article to "contested" but provided no reference, and the map (I believe) stayed as Ukraine control with Russian pressure. On 27 December 2023‎ the mark for Russian pressure from the east was removed from the map (as far as I recall, the map has shown Ukraine control continuously since September 2022). Now Bilohorivka has been entirely commented out in the article "due to uncertain status". Is it really uncertain? Isn't it under Ukraine control? Nurg (talk) 11:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it under Ukraine control? Judging from the context you provided, it seems like so. I only commented it out because I didn't want to remove the "contested" status without providing a new source, so I took the path of least resistance. Bilohorivka would be similar to Klishchiivka then, where there's only a contested claim. The standard treatment would be to consider it Ukrainian held. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 13:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with what you have now done. Thank you. Nurg (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the ISW has since painted orange the whole village and beyond. I've commented it out again for consistency. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 13:08, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bohdanivka

Maybe set it to contested due to recent fighting? Berobalkan (talk) 07:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do we already have confirmation that there is fighting within the settlement's boundaries? According to the template's documentation, one could also mark a settlement as having pressure/partial encirclement. Currently we don't cite these situations. Should we? Alexis Coutinho (talk) 21:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Alexis Coutinho (talk) 12:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vilshana, Kharkiv Oblast

When you click on it, it's redirected to Vilshana, Cherkasy Oblast. The settlement in Kharkiv Oblast doesn't have a site or this is just a mistake? Berobalkan (talk) 18:29, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will check. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's working for me. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline?

What do you think about including a timeline for territorial changes? I think it would be very handy for this page and the map templates. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 19:15, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Avdiivka

There has been an important breakthrough in the south of Avdiivka recently. Russian troops reached several residential streets. In the previous weeks, the Russians also made some advances in the dacha area south of the pumping station on the northern outskirts of the city. And these are on top of the contested southeast region around the industrial zone since late November. Do you agree to mark the city as a single contested large icon in the map templates instead of 2-3 smaller contested icons over a larger blue circle? Alexis Coutinho (talk) 14:28, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Avdiivka should definitely be contested due to Russian advance on the south. Berobalkan (talk) 09:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should Avdiivka be changed to Russian control? reports are saying Ukrainian forces have retreated. Glacialblair (talk) 18:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What should be the population threshold for inclusion of cities in this page?

I've recently updated the List of cities in Ukraine page and thought that it would be unnecessary duplication to also include all 461 cities here. I would personally favor including only the localities that had fighting at some point during the war or are front line settlements, of course. The map module would draw info from both pages anyways. But we could also include other distant Ukrainian cities here. However, it would be better if we had a consistent population cutoff for including them. What should it be? 50k would be 85 cities, 20k would be 193, and 10k would be 346. I vote for 20k, what do you think? By the way, cities below the threshold would only be removed if they had no info. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 20:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crimea

Was each and every settlement listed actually captured by the Russian military on 27 February 2014? Do we have a way of verifying this? SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 22:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure, I just assumed. Maybe local news might help. We could alternatively just say it was captured by an specific date or around it. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 14:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So most of the government buildings and strategic locations in Simferopol were captured in late February, but there was a military installation inside the city that remained under the Ukrainian army until mid-March (see 2014 Simferopol incident). Based on the rules of this Wikipedia article, how do you represent that? For example, Mariupol was not considered captured until the Azovstal was captured. Or is it simply a matter of when the RS use the word "captured"?

Note: there was a similar incident in Bakhmut, at the time still Artemivsk, also in 2014 (see Battle of Artemivsk). SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 19:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're mostly using an "effectively captured" definition. If RS generally say a place was captured, despite some resistance pocket existing, we still use the original capture date. Nuance can go in the dedicated article. I.e. Bakhmut likely wasn't 100% captured on 20 May 2023, but everybody considers that the capture date because fighting mostly stopped then. But it also wouldn't hurt to add a footnote or normal note in the "More information" column. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 15:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ivanivske

Ivanivske in is contested. Look at DeepState maps. Ivanivske in Bakhmut, Donetsk. 108.39.196.77 (talk) 02:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]