Talk:Impulse Space

Ready for mainspace

I have reviewed the work done on this article over the last few weeks, and in my opinion it’s ready to be moved to mainspace. Jeff Foust and Eric Berger in particular are experts reporting on new space ventures.

@CNMall41, would you agree? PKM (talk) 04:07, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I would not. The new content now makes the article read like an advertisement for the company. I didn't even check the references as I feel it would need a substantial tone down prior to anything. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:52, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I will actually take a closer look later tonight. If the references show notability, I will take a stab at cleaning up the tone. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @CNMall41 and @PKM. I took a stab at cleaning up the tone just now. Previously, I tried to avoid one large "History" section that is often done for basic articles, but I totally agree that the tone was too promotional. Please share any other needs for improvement. Rosswi88 (talk) 20:56, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

It looks like you switched around some wording but it doesn't really address the promotional tone in my opinion. I would ask if you have any connection to the topic of the draft. Not making accusations, but the nature of your edits give the appearance that you may have a connection. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Nope, I'm just a general space enthusiast. I actually just graduated law school. I've seen this company in the headlines on SpaceNews and ArsTechnica (well respected publications), and listened to a podcast on MSNBC interviewing the company's founder Tom Mueller. I thought it was odd that there wasn't yet a wiki entry about the company, and thought I could help make this happen. Honestly, what you might actually be picking up on is that I don't have a connection to the aerospace industry so it's hard for me to know the subject well enough to write totally independently from the cited articles. But the sources cited here are much more reliable and numerous than the previous version you rejected.

It's true that Impulse Space is a relatively new company so it's fair to say that much of the public information out today is speculative. BUT(!) the company's first spaceflight is coming up this November. Would be good for wiki to have this article in some form published by then.

I welcome more specific constructive feedback to improve this article, or for other contributors to weigh in like @Mfb, @KylieTastic, @Arthree -- Rosswi88 (talk) 00:21, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@CNMall41: can you give examples of a promotional tone in the current version? I don't see that in the article. --mfb (talk) 10:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

There is a whole section on future launches which is promotional in and of itself. These type of WP:NOTNEWS announcements are more like something the company would want to convey to the public as opposed to something encyclopedia users would want to read. I am not sure of the notability as based on my review of the last cleanup attempt I was not inclined to review further and leave it for another reviewer. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the section on future launches could probably be summarized a bit and adjusted in tone so it doesn't sound like a brochure for potential investors, but listing future contracts or planned launches is not unusual nor promotional per se. I'm not sure if you're a newspace enthusiast like some of the contributors here, @CNMall41, but I can tell you that I, personally, am very much interested in reading about all the ways Impulse's tech is going to be used.

For comparison, Relativity has a whole section for launch contracts, and there's an entire article dedicated to listing off all of SpaceX's future launches.

Arthree (talk) 04:20, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I removed the announced mission section here to Talk, but left the upcoming November rideshare mission. Rosswi88 (talk) 00:44, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Regardless of your industry, you don't need expertise in any field in order to edit specific topics on Wikipedia. If that were the case, we would all be helpless and I would be limited to writing about software and computers. Regardless of you being a law school grad, doctor, or construction worker, feel free to edit anything in Wikipedia, keeping guidelines and policies in mind. For this draft, I would recommend sticking to the sources and stick to basic facts that encyclopedia users would want to know. As I state in my response to Mfb above, it reads like something the company would want to say about itself which is why I posed the question to you above about any connection you may have. Also keep in mind that many new companies are difficult to show notability for as WP:NCORP is a pretty high hurdle. Finally, don't get discouraged as I am only one opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @CNMall41. I believe Impulse Space meets the notability criteria. Cited coverage of the company's activities has been substantial headline news from multiple reliable and independent sources with national audiences.

A similar company to Impulse, ispace (Japanese company) has based the notability criteria with similar cited sources. Thank you again for your time here as a reviewer. Rosswi88 (talk) 01:02, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I believe you feel this meets guidelines, hence the submission. And, I don't discourage you from submitting it. My opinion was already provided above. As far as using other company pages for comparison, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Based on a few recent references I found through a Google Search, I am going to move this to mainspace. I am still on the fence on notability but AfC is a 51/49% so AfD is always an option for anyone who disagrees. Feel it is better to give this a chance at AfD than keep churning it over and over here at AfC. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Announced Missions

Follow-on rideshare missions are expected on future SpaceX Transporter missions, including LEO Express-2 on Transporter-11 no earlier than June 2024 and LEO Express-3 on Tranporter-12 mission no earlier than October 2024.

Orbit Fab, a startup company developing in-space refueling systems for satellites, announced in May 2023 that it had selected the Mira spacecraft made by Impulse Space to host a fuel depot for an in-orbit refueling demonstration funded by the United States Space Force and Defense Innovation Unit. The demonstration, planned for 2025, will refill a military satellite with 50 kilograms of hydrazine.

Vast, a space habitation company, announced in June 2023 that it had selected the Saiph thruster to provide propulsion for its own planned Haven-1 space station in low Earth orbit, which is expected to launch no earlier than August 2025.

Relativity Space, a rocket launch company, announced in July 2022 a partnership with Impulse Space to send a commercial lander mission to Mars by 2024, but since delayed to 2026. The mission will launch on Relativity Space's still under development Terran R heavy-lift reusable launch vehicle. Impulse Space will develop the mission's Mars cruise vehicle and lander leveraging aeroshell technology previously developed by NASA for its Mars Phoenix lander. The Impulse Space lander would land propulsively under the power of four thrusters to deliver tens of kilograms of scientific payload to the Martian surface. Rosswi88 (talk) 00:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Transportation (or transport) vs transfer

The Impulse Space service is for in-space propulsive transfer of spacecraft, not transport of cargo. The distinction is subtle but important. Soliciting discussion here before changing the lede paragraph of the article. (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 01:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Reference for Mira delta-v?

After diligently looking at the cited sources I didn't come across the reference for the max Mira delta-v. {{Citation needed}} added. (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 02:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)