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I've just been listening to Vine interviewed by Margaret Throsby. He made the truly astonishing (to me) statement that the first time he had ever heard a single note of Gustav Mahler's music was last year (2008). They talked about his friendship with Stuart Challender, a Mahler specialist, and how Challender had tried, and failed, to get him interested enough to at least hear what Mahler had to offer. (Challender died 18 years ago!) I can understand some people not caring for Mahler's music, but at least they've listened to it enough to form an opinion. Vine has now written 7 symphonies, but how can it be that a person who's never heard any music by arguably the greatest symphonist of all can possibly hope to understand what symphonies are all about? How can a person who has presented programs on the development of 20th century music have so completely avoided this central figure in 20th century music for so long? -- JackofOz (talk) 03:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]