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Chairman Larry McDonald was a democrat
To say it's right wing is ignorant or propaganda. The chairman of the John Birch Society was a Democrat. 2600:100C:B01E:D901:1E43:74AE:A646:334F (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- A Southern Democrat and the second most conservative member of the House, next to Ron Paul. So no surprise. You don’t seem to know your political history. Doug Weller talk 18:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- A Southern Democrat who endorsed Reagan because the Democratic Party since FDR had become "socialist." TFD (talk) 11:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- @The Four Deuces Lol. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 16:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Gore. Can we stop saying "Southern Democrat" as if it implies conservatism? 216.8.162.69 (talk) 13:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- No. We can call them out because they're exceptional, not typical, of Southern Democrats. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 13:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Gore. Can we stop saying "Southern Democrat" as if it implies conservatism? 216.8.162.69 (talk) 13:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Advocated for?
I keep seeing the expression ‘advocated for’ in this article, and elsewhere, which to me seems a tautology, like ‘new innovation’. If something is ‘advocated’, then it is being proposed, suggested, supported, or in other words, ‘spoken for’. Which means that the expression ‘advocated for’ amounts to ‘spoken for for’.
It may be a confusion with usages like ‘agitated for’, ‘pressed for’, ‘argued for’. But ‘advocate’ contains both ideas and does not require the addition of a preposition. 2001:8003:303A:9D00:6502:F9C6:29C3:F5AC (talk) 10:34, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe. Merriam-Webster and Wiktionary both agree that they are two different things. "I advocate", transitive verb, "I support". "I advocate for", intransitive, "I act as an advocate for something". Subtle. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 16:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
- One can also advocate against something. Anyway, I agree both seem correct. TFD (talk) 21:48, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Dallek
Despite it's length, the page is missing a lot. Historian Matthew Dallek, who had access to the JBS archives, published a history last years, Birchers: How the John Birch Society Radicalized the American Right. 2600:1700:5B20:CAA0:AC89:82DE:AAB7:2978 (talk) 17:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Footquote needed for claim
Fatherof-fuzzy-thecat, can you offer a footquote to this citation, to support the claim that the JBS is described reliably as mainstream conservative? It is not clear that the video section cited at 32:15 supports the claim sufficiently. Note WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. Perhaps other sources would support the claim more directly. Llll5032 (talk) 06:19, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- In any case, it's the equivalent of a conference paper and we don't use those. Removed. Doug Weller talk 11:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Segregation
@Doug Weller In 1968 didn't these gentlemen support the segregationist George Wallace? What about intervening? 93.45.229.98 (talk) 19:17, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Two recent sources about its effect on the GOP
How the John Birch Society Won the Long Game and The John Birch Society broke the GOP’s brain — and laid the groundwork for Trump. Doug Weller talk 11:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Why are we including 3 staunchly leftist sources in the lede describing the GOP's supposed embrace of JBS theories? The Nation, Vox and The New Republic are all admitted leftist mags. I support their removal. TheLawMan85 (talk) 08:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am mildly familiar with Dallek, as he is a notable historian with academic credentials. The JBS at one point had about 100 Republican delegates. Bias to the left or right has little bearing on whether these are reliable sources. Neutrality is discarded when basing reliability solely on political bias. DN (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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