This award is given in recognition to Netherzone for collecting at least 25 points during the January 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 16,070 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 22:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Geothermal resources" maps
Geothermal Energy in the Western United States (1978) from USGS doi:10.3133/cir790
Just FYI I found that the NOAA produced maps of "geothermal resources" to go with that 1980 report we use a lot. The good people of University of Nevada Reno scanned them and I grabbed them all and put them here:
I think it includes all the states in the continental U.S. north and west of Texas, except possibly South Dakota (which may well be out there somewhere). Most are in PDF format but I think can convert to jpg and/or png if need be, just let me know which ones.
I think/hope they should be citable sources if they have any info that isn't already in the report; I cited the California one in one place already as <ref name="CAgeothermmap-1980">{{Cite map |last1=Higgins |first1=Chris T. |last2=Therberge |last3=Ikelman |first2=Albert E. Jr. |first3=Joy A. |title=Geothermal Resources of California |url=https://data.nbmg.unr.edu/public/Geothermal/GreyLiterature/GeothermalResources_California_1980_R.pdf |date=1980 |publisher=California Department of Mines and Geology |publication-place=Sacramento |others=NOAA National Geophysical Center}}</ref>
I can't really figure out the name of the original report or repository these came from so just leaning on the unr.edu for now. Cheers, jengod (talk) 04:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Jengod, thanks for your note. How wonderful that you uploaded scans of the maps! I've got a copy of the paper maps from along with the 1980 hardcopy of the report Thermal springs list for the United States (1980) By Berry, George W. ; Grim, P. J. (Paul J.) ; Ikelman, Joy A.
Because I travel alot and live between two states in two different regions of the country, I seldom travel with the paper copies, instead I use a pdf. You can download the entire .pdf of the book here: [1] but it doesn't include the maps. Thanks again for uploading this excellent resource for hot springs! Netherzone (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just took a moment to look on Commons, and those are different than the maps than the ones I have. This is a superb new resource, Jen. Thanks again. Netherzone (talk) 16:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edit summary queries
Hi! In this edit summary[2] you say "Take it to the talk page to discuss with other editors before making this change again." and I wonder what the reason for reverting is because none is actually given in the summary. I'm not seeing the policy or guideline based argument for reverting, please explain. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and thanks for reaching out, Horse Eye. I see you have reverted my edits. My edits restored the article to a stable version, but it seems you disagree. I won't be reverting your revert, and will be archiving this discussion shortly. Thanks for keeping a keen eye on things, Netherzone (talk) 16:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Roadside shrine in Santa Fe, NM, commemorating the life of Chris Abeyta, a local musician, poet and educator.I love the photo of the cat with the red hydrant, also the spring (fountain) with the tiny shrine in a niche. I have a thing for roadside shrines, have many photos. Here's one I shot a couple years ago. Thank you for inspiring me! Netherzone (talk) 20:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Gerda, and happy Easter to you. Loved looking at your most recent photos, esp. those of the Monte Palace Tropical Garden. Makes me want to go there! Ever onward.... Netherzone (talk) 00:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
especially when I discovered that I had a book she wrote in my library but have been hampered by not being able to sign on to wikipedia on my computer and being in the middle of an taxing medical situation. However at some point I hope to add a few more references. carptrash aka 2600:8800:590F:8600:D8BB:215:7B50:975F (talk) 05:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Carptrash, I'm so sorry to hear you are in the midst of a medical situation. I hope it resolves soon. It was interesting to read your article on Blanche Grant, those dynamic, independent Northern New Mexico creative women were a force of nature! Let me know if there's anything I can help out with while you navigate your computer & health issues. You can post things here or on article talk if you would like me to help make improvements, or look anything up in the Wikipedia Library. All the best, Netherzone (talk) 13:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Carptrash, hope you are doing better with the medical situation. I wanted to let you know I did a little work on Blanche Grant today, nothing major. Added a pix of one of her paintings and a bit more content so readers can understand her style of representation; and cropped the image of her and friends at Howard Pyle's studio to remove the frame. It also did not seem to need an infobox for the group photo so I removed that formatting. If there's a specific reason why you wanted the infobox just let me know and I'll restore it. Be well, and hope you are able to sign on and see this. Netherzone (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's an odd situation. I've never seen AfD participation where someone keep refactoring their comments over and over like that, it's hard to keep track of what they are trying communicate from moment to moment as it keeps changing. They have been editing on WP since at least 2010 under another username(s). But the contributions of that account haven't gone back nearly that far. Their first AUTOBIO was deleted in 2010. Then recreated by UPE in 2015, now the newest is apparently MEAT. I can't quite figure out what is going on but it is clear after 14 years, they don't seem to understand the purpose of an encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 01:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, the refactoring is somewhat annoying, but not as big as the other issues. Should the matter be raised to a noticeboard? It seems like you've already tried discussing with the user at their talk page, during which you said you think this needs admin eyes, and I don't see signs of real behavioral progress since then. cc @WomenArtistUpdates and Star Mississippi:Left guide (talk) 01:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping Left guide and NZ. While I am getting the WP:NOTHERE vibes loud and clear, maybe we should see what happens over the weekend. It appears that something has finally gotten through, as the editor is now trying to erase the traces of COI on their user page, and off wiki accounts. I have no objections to admin eyes, but I worry that I have lost objectivity on the matter. Best, --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
poking in*
Sorry, I was offline for a few days and am still not fully back. Short of semi'ing the AfD, I don't see an option. Things seem to have quieted down though. I appreciated that those canvassed were trying to make a case, even if the genre isn't notable, but it was disruptive. I didn't see the refactoring, but will try to keep an eye out when back if discussion isn't closed. Thanks for flag and sorry for leaving you hanging on my Talk @Left guideStarMississippi02:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Netherzone, I received a notification that you had left me a message on my talk page this afternoon, but I do not see any new messages there. I am reaching out to see if you left me a message there, and I am missing it. Thank you for your guidance, and I apologize for the refactoring. Scribe1791 (talk) 01:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apology
I wanted to apologize for my contributions to the Geoglyphs article. I thought it was a good idea because of their importance to the plot of Tears of the Kingdom, but I did not consider that the main focus of the article was archaeology and earth art, not their use in fiction. 73.79.229.7 (talk) 13:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries whatsoever, and no need for an apology! Feel free to add relevant content to the video game article to improve it. But please make sure to add the sources. Happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 13:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All this, I'm afraid, underlines my growing impression that wikipedia lacks the necessary signposts, the clarity of guidelines, the essential transparency and sufficient safeguards to be a safe place for me to work. David Tornheim helpfully reassured me that the trolling I faced was not unusual. While that is comforting, it is also a warning.
I certainly did not want to scare them off. I wonder if there was another more diplomatic way to both make the editor feel safe -and- warn him/her about the concerns described in WP:BAIT.
I have seen far too many new editors come here mistakenly believing they can make a fix to an article to correct something that to them seems blatantly obvious it should be permissible to do, and then they don't understand the push back to their change and the seemingly bizarre policy reasons given. They can down in flames because they truly believe that the change they want to make is most definitely right, and they have no idea how their edits of complaint against an experienced user--one who strongly disagrees--might be used against them at WP:AN/I to unfair advantage as described in WP:BAIT. It seemed to me that things were headed that way, so ARoseWolf and I both tried to encourage -and- warn the new editor. I am curious how you (and anyone else listening here) might have handled it differently when we first encountered the dispute. This seems like a good case in point for the challenges of keeping new editors. --David Tornheim (talk) 02:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Such a shame to lose Jon. I am not sure what we could have done further. We were trying to support them as a new user that faced, what I feel, the worst possible situation a new user could face, not completely the other user's fault, but also try to offer constructive instruction to keep them from facing those issues again. I wasn't focused on the multiple user's on the same IP as much as talking about not having more than one user on the named account they were using and also address editing while logged out. I think Netherzone also touched on that in their response. Either way this was a decision Jon made and we just move on. David I think you did a wonderful thing explaining the situation as you did and offering support for them. Don't be too hard on yourself that Jon chose not to stick around. Thank you, Netherzone, for your statement on Jon's talk page. --ARoseWolf12:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don’t be too hard on yourselves, @David Tornheim and @ARoseWolf. You both are amazing and kind. Everyone came to the discussion in their own way using different communication styles. The same way that all of us have different modes and styles for learning and building knowledge. Both Jon and ThaddeusSholto (who has since disappeared) had reasons for their positions.
As a brand new editor, Jon doesn’t know the ropes here, and what are the “hot buttons” or words to avoid. It’s the image that is racist and pornographic, not the editor, something that you both understood and recognized and tried to communicate – focus on content not contributors. But we all know that can be hard to do when we are upset, and both editors were upset for different reasons.
If you two had not stepped in when you did to quell the slow-moving edit war things would have escalated. WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:NOTCENSORED can be hard to understand as a new editor. I think the “encouragements-and-warnings” were fine.
The underlying problem is that Wikipedia does not have a cohesive, integrative “Instruction Manual” or “Operating Manual.” WP’s policies, guidelines (behavioral and content), essays, MOS, and cryptic acronyms are scattered all over the place like little bits of paper or sticky notes.
My gut feeling is that Jon will be back, I certainly hope so, as it seems he has a lot to offer the project. I was impressed with the sources he brought to the talk page discussion. The photo hit a significant nerve with him, and understandably so. When I first saw it my impressions went from curiosity and puzzlement, to cringing, to deep sadness, to moral outrage, but tried to keep these emotions in check so as not to escalate matters. The vulnerability of the young girl in the image is painfully tragic in relation to the powers of empire building and cultural domination she was subjected to.
Speaking for myself, sometimes when I’m really upset all that is needed is someone to simply listen, not to tell me what to do or not do. Believe me, I can be stubborn when I think I’m right, but usually I just want to feel understood – not agreed with – but listened to and understood.
We were all beginners, and in a sense we still are, thankfully.
Let me add that I equally think its a shame that ThaddeusSholto has disappeared and truly hope it was not directly related to this issue. I wish them wholeness where ever they are. Thaddeus was not wrong to initially revert for the reasons they gave. That's all despite feeling the same emotions you did, Netherzone. Then I saw the exchange and I was more appalled by the exchange, not who was involved. In the end there were more reasons to remove the picture under policy than keep and consensus came the right conclusion.
"Speaking for myself, sometimes when I’m really upset all that is needed is someone to simply listen, not to tell me what to do or not do. Believe me, I can be stubborn when I think I’m right, but usually I just want to feel understood – not agreed with – but listened to and understood." You took a page from my book. lol This is me, 100%. In fact I will generally come around and even ask for advice knowing we disagree, I don't simply want others to agree with me. Having different viewpoints and the details of your journey to your conclusions, this happens even when we do agree, is what I want to absorb because I am still a beginner and I desire to learn. I am thankful for you both. You truly enrich my life. --ARoseWolf17:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking for myself, sometimes when I’m really upset all that is needed is someone to simply listen, not to tell me what to do or not do. Those words resonate with me too. Beautifully written. Thanks so much to both of you for your kind words.--David Tornheim (talk) 19:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You brought up this in one of Greg responses. I'm running into similar suspicion here Talk:Canadian_AIDS_Society. One of the responses come as 100% AI on GPTZero, but comes up as human in ZeroZPT and other search engines. I ran it through a check, because the response just felt rather superficially wordy and hollow. Do you think one is more accurate or are they all questionable? Graywalls (talk) 20:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also came up with 100% AI on one of the messages I scanned with GPTZero on that link. Intuitively the long responses seem machine generated, but on the other hand, the editor could simply have that sort of communication style. I don't know which search tool/engine is best. You might want to ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject AI Cleanup? Netherzone (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you are well. I just postponed deleting a lot of drafts created by Doncram, as I always do when I come across them in my CSD G13 patrolling. I noticed that you had edited many of them, marking them as "promising drafts".
My question for you is do you know whether there are editors currently working on finishing up these unfinished drafts? I'm happy to postpone deleting them now but I'm thinking about in another six months, November 2024 or 2025. If there aren't editors spending time taking care of projects that were unfinished when he passed, I question indefinitely postponing their deletion. I considered posting this message on his User talk page but I don't know if many of his fellow editors have that page still Watchlisted and I thought directing my question to an individual was more likely to get a response. Or is there an active WikiProject which would be a suitable place to inquire? Thanks for any information or thoughts you can offer. Take care. LizRead!Talk!20:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Liz, thank you for reaching out. I saw that you made a blank edit to Draft:David Back Log House and Farm earlier today to save it from deletion, so I started to make some improvements and added it to my To Do list in my sandbox. It's on the NRHP, and it's a notable site. I saw on my watchlist some other drafts marked as promising.
I guess I got a little gun shy about moving deceased editors drafts to article space after George Ho got upset about it, when I and others were saving DGG's drafts from deletion after he died. It seems George felt that I was trying to bypass the reviewers at AfC (I was not), I was simply trying to help out as I had done after Possibly died.
I have autopatrolled rights, so I thought it was OK. See [[3]] It's been years since I've used AfC. I've created over 200 articles and none of them have been deleted. There is a huge backlog at AfC and NPP.
Liz, in your opinion is it OK for me to improve Doncram's drafts based on reliable sources and move them directly to article space? I have a clear understanding of Wiki-notability criteria. Thanks, I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Netherzone (talk) 21:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I left you a message on the cobblestone house draft's talk page. I could read the source, but there was only one sentence about it.
I'll move the two drafts this evening. Am now working on Draft:Rice, Arizona - I found a good source that has a lot of interesting historical facts about Rice. The town went thru a few name changes so at first I thought it should be redirected to San Carlos, Arizona however if I find another in-depth source I think it will pass notability. Netherzone (talk) 02:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! You are quick on the keyboard! I saw that you just submitted the Grant Road and the David Back Log House drafts. Thanks! Netherzone (talk) 02:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think we E/Ced on one of them.
Grant Road credit probably could have gone to you. I was on auto given them to Doncram. Thanks for the help on Cobblestone. That one is going to be a challenge but I think we can clean it up to a good little stub. Ping me if you need anything on Rice, happy to help. StarMississippi02:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi, I just resubmitted Draft:Rice, Arizona, it had been declined once. I made significant improvements and also found a lot of historical photos of Rice when it was an active settlement. I think it passes notability for a former settlement based on the current sourcing. When you find a moment, could you please have a look? Netherzone (talk) 16:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for thinking of me. I'm not a fan of giant locomotive lists and don't think they are encyclopedic. The area of preserved locomotives, specifically steam locomotives, attracts a high proportion of disruptive editors (usually children, or people who act like children anyway). I try to steer clear and have removed almost all such articles from my watchlist. Getting kind of tired of fighting sockmasters in this area, just put this one away last month and currently fighting another (getting eyes at SPI these days is near impossible, sadly).
Back when this specific draft was discussed, I made the point (which I still stand by) that trying to list every single preserved locomotive in the United States within a single article would be impossible and futile, as the list could easily expand to thousands of entries. I also believe there is zero reason to even have such a list, as it can be fully handled by categories (e.g. Category:Preserved steam locomotives of the United States, which already exists along with subcats). Any notable locomotives will have their own article within the category, defeating the purpose of the list. The list would just be a duplication of information and one more page added to our maintenance backlogs (it would forever attract IPs adding unsourced crap and original research). Those are my thoughts. Someone else may feel differently, of course. You could try WT:TRAINS and see if anyone is interested. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That makes total sense. Thanks for the input and the history @Trainsandotherthings Will ask at WT:TRAINS if I get to it, but may also just let it go to G13 the next time. There are enough admins around who are willing to restore his drafts - including me - if someone makes a case for why it's needed and is willing to caretake it. And ugh yes on SPI. Makes me wish I had the tech skills to apply as clerk or CU StarMississippi12:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All my classing as start means is > stub, so if you think they should be higher, feel free to re-assess. This has never been an area I was involved with. StarMississippi00:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I think (but may well be wrong) that we need to keep it for attribution. If I'm wrong, it can be deleted and I'm happy to G7 it, but in the interim I redirected it. StarMississippi18:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote the vast majority of the article, the original Doncram draft was just a few sentences and the infobox. So I think it's OK to either redirect or delete the draft, since I mentioned Doncram (so he would be credited) in my edit summary when I moved over the content that I had written...so we both are attributed to the improvements to the existing article. But please do whatever you think is best! Netherzone (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks so much for your help with the Articles on Matsubata Nobuo.
hope you can help me again i nthe future! i have a long list of Japanese textiles artists who im trying to compile information and publish articles on.
once i fill out Matsubara a bit more i want towrite about
柳 晋哉 who is also prominent weaver from the yanagi family (created mingei(folkart) movement) Markmcnbowe97 (talk) 03:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for reaching out. Good luck with your future projects on Japanese textile artists. I look forward to reading them! Don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. Netherzone (talk) 03:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
concerns
I believe I resolved your concerns and so removed the tag. If you disagree, please let me know and explain why. Thanks! JDtoBee (talk) 15:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JDtoBee, the article still reads promotionally, not in an encyclopedic tone. Encyclopedia articles should not be written in a way that boasts about a person's "greatness". Biographic rticles should simply cover, in summary style, the most important highlights of a per life. It very much seems like the article was created as an autobiography. I'm also wondering if you might have a connection to the subject of the article. It's difficult for connected editors to be totally neutral. Netherzone (talk) 16:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is written in the same fashion as that one, I believe. If you disagree, please provide some specific examples so I can fix. The only boasting about greatness that was in the article was in quotes not added by me and I removed them. Listing accomplishments from external sources is not the same as boasting and all articles on distinguished professors explain accomplishments.
I am a student in the field but am not directly connected. I am planning to work on other entries related to the field this is just the first one I began working on. I also did not create this entry I have just worked on revising it. I am perhaps defensive about the field, but mostly I am defensive about my work on this being attacked by you without you providing any specific explanations so that I can fix and improve. JDtoBee (talk) 16:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done
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