Talk:Theodor Morell

Relevance of 12th Century Frisian origin

I'm not a Wikipedia contributer or commenter, but I am compelled to comment in this instance as this sentence sticks out like a sore thumb. It is completely irrelevant! Even if it was properly referenced, which it isn't. Along with the rest of the article. Can anyone explain the relevance that Morell's paternal ancestry was of Frisian origin prior to the 12th century, in the context of a mid-20th Century Nazi quack doctor? Is there some connection between the life of Morell and that of his paternal ancestors 900 years previously? If so, perhaps this section can be expanded to include such other relevant facts such as a 15th Century maternal ancestor who overpaid on a purchase of a cow, but it at least provided tasty milk? Or the childhood neighbour who stubbed their toe and swore blasphemously?

On the subject of the homeopathy discussion here, I may not have any weight of opinion given I'm a first time commenter, but regardless of the prevailing opinion of homeopathy among its supporters, the opinion of the entire medical community (backed up by many, MANY rigorous, scientific studies) is that homeopathic remedies at best only offer a placebo effect. IMO, the article is actually quite good as it doesn't make a comment on the efficacy of natural and homeopathic remedies, rather it comments on Morell's application of such remedies in an excessive and cavalier manner. Furthermore, it would seem from the article that even in a time and place when when such remedies were more mainstream in the contemporary medical community (coincidentally, some months ago I read another Wiki article about folk remedies being sold in German pharmacies well into the 1970's), Morell was considered a quack by his peers. That should tell you something about the man's scientific and medical methods. 121.200.17.13 (talk) 15:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

It certainly was of high importance to his career after 1933 that he had a family tree surpassing even that of the Greater Aryan certificate required for SS membership. Whereas we know that the racist dreams of Aryanhood were an especially dumb and abhorrent kind of quack science, the fact that his unusual ancestry was important for his career under a racist regime makes it notable for the article. --79.242.219.119 (talk) 07:48, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

anyone else agree this does not belong in an encyclopedia article

Through, as is often the case, ignorance finds its way into discrediting well established forms of Medicine that enjoy patronage by Royal families today. Even though Dr Morell was not the posterchild of the German Ideal Physician, his application of Homeopathic & Herbal Applications are Sound, and in direct adherence of Traditional Homeopathic Principles practiced today, and enjoyed by Millions around the world. The reference to Nux Vomica (Strychnos Nux Vomica), is commenly used to treat the combined condition of : Severe Headaches, Dizziness and Insomnia. In no way could a Homeopathic remedy contribute to the decline of a patients health.

I also find the repeated suggestions that Hitler was somehow being given cocaine via the eye, with the implication being that he was a drug addict or that cocaine was being given to induce psychiatric effects, to be medically ignorant. Cocaine was then and is still used topically on the eye for purposes of dilating the pupils to test the health of autonomic nervous system, and as such, it has absolutely notning to do with drug addiction or cocaine use for recreational purposes or psychiatric effects. See F. Bremmer, "Pupillary Evaluation as a Test for Autonomic Disorders," Clinical Autonomic Research, vol. 19, no. 2, p. 88 (2009). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.211.163 (talk) 11:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

This article is a disgrace to what I thought were Wikipedia standards and rules. This is tabloid trash from top to bottom Using what is basically, it was on TV as a citation? Hardly anything here is verifiable outside the mirror in a mirror in a mirror hits you get when you google what's in this piece. The need to add more and more vile accusations about someone on the losing end of history is a dangerous need. It give one the impression that such people should be easy to spot for one thing, and the things added to the pile get used as justifications for bad policy and ideas. Kind of like a politician leaking a false story to a credible newspaper then later using the fact it's in a credible paper as proof the falsehood is true.

It seems most Wiki articles start with the banners about problems in the article. People are starting to roll their eyes at the mention of Wikipedia as a source. Instead of banners about problems editors need to start wholesale housecleaning of unsorced materieal. And that doesn't even address poor sources, like saying things that are not in the source, and like the repeated us of a tv show as a source. For starters. Jackhammer111 (talk) 06:15, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

its not the cocaine that made Hitler an addict...

I do not find any mention (or "implication") of Hitler being an addict, and certainly not due to Cocaine eye drops. The article even specifies that the amount of Cocaine in said drops was less than 1%. Hardly enough to make someone an "addict". However, the repeated use of speed - both amphetamine and methamphetamine, plus morphine, very simply does. All three of which have psychotic effects, and clearly disturbs normal brain function.

And I find it amazing that some (uncredited) historians claim that these drugs had no effect on Hitler's thoughts or actions. Its clear that these "historians" have never USED these drugs - all three of these can cause violent acts. Morphine, especially. Speed makes one feel invincible, you'll just have to take my word for that. Or bother to read about their use elsewhere. With speed, infrequent use evolves to frequent use. I have no source material to quote, just life experience. Drtywmn (talk) 22:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

trivia item

An anon editor posted the following under a trivia header:

Morell was mentioned in The Falls' paean to amphetamines, Gramme Friday:Hitler lost his nerve on it, Dr. Morell prescribed it well.

I can find no verification of this. What is the song title and can someone point to the lyrics as a citation? Wyss 21:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Note: I was able to find the reference and have cleaned up the entry. Wyss 21:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Theodore or Theodor?

Was his name Theodore or Theodor? If the latter, the page should be moved accordingly. --Ojan 14:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Article is in right place. Theodor and Theo are both widely used in literature. Theodor being his Christian name, Theo is what he often was called in his days. --Ukas 19:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Ojan didn't ask whether it was Theo or Theodor, but whether English or German spelling should be used. --79.242.219.119 (talk) 12:39, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

"Theodor" is appropriate. If his name had been "Johan", "Wilhelm", or "Franz", would we want to render those as "John", "William", or "Francis", too? Best regardsTheBaron0530 (talk) 20:34, 12 April 2017 (UTC)theBaron0530

Death Dates

This article says that Morell died in 1945 after killing himself, but at the beginning of the article it says he died in 1948. Which one was it?! -- Geelin 13:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Irving as a source

These days David Irving's material is not generally accepted as a source. --Ukas 19:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Could history record that the personal physician of Adolph Hitler be anything but a quack who never bathed? I expect that we'd read kinder words about Morell had he been the personal doctor of say, Winston Churchill.

He is only notable as Hitler's personal physician. If after 70 years the consensus among historians is that Morell was a quack with bad hygiene, then it isn't the fault of Wikipedia if its article conveys the same impression. Even David Irving wrote in The Secret Diaries of Hitler's Doctor, "It is unlikely that Morell will be adjudged one of the great physicians of this century." --Ismail (talk) 03:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Reichsspritzenmeister

This term does not have a precise English translation. Huh? It means "Reich (national) Injection Master (chief)." That's injection as in hypodermic. Verstanden? Nein. Sca (talk) 19:59, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Curing Hitler of what?

'During a party at the Berghof near Berchtesgaden, Hitler first met Morell, who said he could cure him within a year.'

Doesn't say what Hitler was suffering from. Valetude (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I redid the sentence and added detail with cites. Kierzek (talk) 15:23, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Ketamine

Morell died in 1948 and Hitler died in 1945. Ketamine was first made in 1962. So either the ketamine article is wrong or this article is wrong. Clr324 20:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clr324 (talk • contribs)

Half-Jewish

Is there any evidence he was half-Jewish, or was this a rumour? (86.158.167.96 (talk) 10:39, 19 June 2018 (UTC))

Did you not see that it was sourced to The Guadia]], which is regarded as a reliable source? Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Category vs See also entry

An editor seems to be mistaking a "See also" entry with a Category. A Category requires that there be information in the article which supports the cat. Such is not the case with a "See also" entry.

According to WP:See also:

One purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics; however, articles linked should be related to the topic of the article. Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense. The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic, and should be limited to a reasonable number.

There is no doubt that a doctor who freely provided drugs of many sorts to Hitler is similar to ("tangentially related") a doctor you provides drugs to friends or clients, such as "Dr. Feelgoods" do. A full-length study of Morel would certain explore that aspect of Morell's behavior so it is indeed "relevant". Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Somebody added Theodor Morell to the list of people called Dr Feelgood. It was unsourced. I removed it. Morell has nothing to do with Dr. Feelgood, so the link does not belong there. It implies that someone called him that and there is no support that they did. Edit warring does not apply as it is an WP:UNSOURCED WP:EDITORIAL addition to the article. It also is not linking to an article, but an disambiguation page. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I accept your last point. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

He is however in my opinion a celebrity doctor, so I just added that category. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Nope, read the article Celebrity doctor and changed my mind. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

List of Administered Compounds

The TV episode cited in the list of compounds administered to Hitler by Morell has been removed from YouTube, so if someone can find an easily accessible version perhaps the link in the citation should be changed. Also many of the items on this list seem to be dubious as I can find no other sources to corroborate them other than this Wikipedia entry and possibly the now deleted TV episode. Also some of the medications listed are described incorrectly. For example Progynon B-Oleosum is not Estradiol valerate, it is Estradiol benzoate. 99.24.144.189 (talk) 21:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)