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Wrong or fabricated references. Recommend to remove sentence

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Section 'History and Tradition'

"However, the silver frame was placed on the Black Stone to secure the fragments, after the original stone was broken.[31][32]"

I have checked both references 31 and 32

31 Burke, John G. (1991). Cosmic Debris: Meteorites in History. University of California Press. p. 222. ISBN 978-0-520-07396-8.
32 Hassan, Ashraf (1991). Cenap Çakmak (ed.). Islam: A Worldwide Encyclopedia [4 volumes]. ABC-CLIO. p. 262. ISBN 978-1-61-069217-5.

the statement made is firstly not discussed in the 2 books referenced (Hassan Ashraf's book is available on google books check page 262). Furthermore such a statement does not represent a majority view of scholars even if it was mentioned in some source (wrong representation).

In the interest of an honest representation of the matter at hand I recommend deletion of this unfounded/unreferenced statement. Alernatively a new section should be written to discuss the scholarly views on the framing of the black stone plus maybe architectural aspects of the Kaaba and its embedded artefacts.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.143.75 (talk • contribs) 11:04, May 29, 2020 (UTC)

Not done:Regardless of the references, which you listed, the New Encyclopedia of Islam (pg. 246) says that "The Black Stone was repaired and held together by a silver band around the three pieces." I have added this as a reference to the claim. --FPTI (talk) 00:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was Prophet Abraham who placed it.

According to Islam, it is placed there By Prophet Abraham AS, Jibreel (Gabriel) brought it from heaven directly to Abraham who built the Kaaba. 69.94.41.101 (talk) 12:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This tradition is already stated in the article as written. According to the New Encyclopedia of Islam, "Tradition says that Adam placed it in the original Ka'bah. Later it was hidden in the mountain of Abu Qubays. When Abraham rebuilt the Ka'bah, the Angel Gabriel brought the stone out and gave it to him." (pg. 91) -- FPTI (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove reference 36 that the Black Stone is "thought to be a reference to Allat", one person's opinion and thoughts (even if written in a book) cannot be a generalized opinion or facts, especially when it comes to God's miracles, like the Black Stone. "the Black Stone is sacred to Muslims, it should not be equated with Allat, which is an idol of pre-Islamic times." Scholarforpeace (talk) 21:19, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Geardona (talk to me?) 00:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kindly update the image where "Prophet Muhammad PBUH" is illustrated and put a flash on the face instead of imaginary image. Thank you. MFarooqi (talk) 15:12, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: As the notice on the top of the talk page says, Attention: If you are here to talk about removing images of Muhammad from Wikipedia articles, please read this article carefully: Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Images of Muhammad. Wikipedia is not censored. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 15:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adam and Eve: Please remove this passage and its citation

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The citation for the following "Islamic tradition holds that the Black Stone fell from Jannah to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar, which became the first temple on Earth" (Muhammad, Martin Lings, Chapter 1. The House of God) does not contain any reference to this story.

https://archive.org/details/muhammad_martin_lings_201911/page/n3/mode/2up?q=stone

130.44.167.72 (talk) 02:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done I have removed this citation and removed the sentences that may have been a hoax. If anyone can find anything about the Black Stone being the marker site for Adam to build altar, I would appreciate it. The New Encyclopedia of Islam only says that Adam placed it in the original Kaaba. FPTI (talk) 00:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]