Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 1989

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Review: June 25, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Eurovision Song Contest 1989 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the inclusion of two preteen competing performers at the Eurovision Song Contest 1989 led to the introduction of an age rule for participants at future contests?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eurovision Song Contest 1989.

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Celine Dion

Does anyone know if "Where Does My Heart Beat Now" as performed on this show was released as a single directly after? According to her discography, it wasn't released till late 1990, surely it would have at least been released in Europe at this time?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 04:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Riley1012 (talk) 13:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 1989/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Sims2aholic8 (talk · contribs) 17:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Riley1012 (talk · contribs) 17:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again! I will complete a review in the next couple of days. -Riley1012 (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

1. Well-written
Noting there is a lot of passive voice in the article, but that's not a major problem for GA purposes.

Add in the lead that the age-controversy led to the implementation of an age minimum the next year.
Combine some of the short paragraphs in the Participating countries section
...12-year-old Gili Netanel and 11-year-old Nathalie Pâque representing Israel and France respectively;... Add a comma before "respectively"
No artists competing in the 1989 contest had previously taken part as lead artists in previous events, however two of the artists had previously performed in the contest in past editions. Add a comma after "however"
For the first time Switzerland sent an entry in Romansh... Add a comma after "time"
As there were no existing rules regarding the age of performers the two artists were allowed to compete, however the controversy led to the introduction of an age restriction on performing artists for the 1990 contest. Add commas after "performers" and "however"
...both the German and Austrian were written by Dieter Bohlen and Joachim Horn-Bernges. Add "entries" or "songs" after "German and Austrian"
...all dress rehearsals were held in front of an audience, although for the afternoon rehearsal on 5 May the acts were not required to be in their performance costumes. Add a comma after "May"
For the 1989 event and for future contents an analysis of the tied countries' top marks would be conducted, with the country that received the most 12 point scores being declared the winner. Add a comma after "contests" and remove the second "for"
The contest took place on 6 May 1989 at 21:00 (CEST) with a duration of 3 hours and 10 minutes and presented by Jacques Deschenaux and Lolita Morena. Add "was" before "presented"
During the traditional winner's reprise performance Riva sung the winning song entirely in English. Add a comma after "performance"
- All suggested tweaks now enacted. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2. Verifiable
The sources used are reliable. Copyvio check passed.

The links on ref. 3, 61 and 65 are down.
- I have fixed ref 3 to ensure it targets the right area. I can confirm that ref 61 link does work if you have an active subscription to the newspaper. Ref 65 appears to have been repointed by another editor to a live link with the same newspaper collection. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spot check:

25:Although postcards appeared from time to time in the 70s and 80s, they gained particular prominence from the 1990s onward. This source doesn't note that the postcards were used in 1989 specifically.
- Corrected this paragraph to place refs 25 and 26 further in the paragraph as the 1989 postcard info is covered by ref 2. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No issues: 1, 4, 8, 10, 14, 17, 28, 32, 40, 46, 50, 55, 78, 85

3. Broad
The article covers the major aspects of the event without unnecessary detail.

4. Neutral
The article is neutral.

5. Stable
The article is stable day-to-day, and there are no ongoing content disputes.

6. Illustrated
Images used are in the public domain or are free use, and they have appropriate captions.

The alignment of the image in the Location section with one word below it should be fixed.
- Given the infobox and other images and templates which are right-align on this article in subsequent sections I would be hesitant to move this image to right align as well. I'd like to avoid a situation where multiple images appear sequentially and end up floating to outside of their relevant sections as much as possible. If you have any suggestions on how to alter the image to achieve a better result without altering the alignment I am happy to work with you, but I also know that different display sizes will mean the image may not be as much of an issue on some devices; on my display (1396 x 785) as an example the second paragraph continues past the image for two lines. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair enough, this isn't actually that big of a deal. -Riley1012 (talk) 13:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8: Okay, I am done with my review now. Let me know if you have any questions. -Riley1012 (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Riley1012: Thanks for the review, my responses above. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8: Thanks for your response, I am fine with the changes you made and will pass the article. -Riley1012 (talk) 13:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hey man im josh talk 17:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the inclusion of two preteen competing performers at the Eurovision Song Contest 1989 led to the introduction of an age rule for participants at future contests?

Source: "The French participant, Nathalie Pâque, was just 11 years old and Israel's singer, Gili Netanel, was just one year older which led to a change of rules."

ALT1: ... that Yugoslavia's win at the Eurovision Song Contest 1989 was the country's first in twenty-four attempts, and would prove to be its only victory as the country began to break up two years later? Source: [1]
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Diesel (donkey)

Improved to Good Article status by Sims2aholic8 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Recent GA, well written and well referenced, appears to be a complete coverage of the topic, and I couldn't find any obvious issues (it even gets the Greek names of two songs right!). Hooks are in the article, sourced and interesting. Personal preference is clearly for ALT1. QPQ done. Good to go! Constantine ✍ 16:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]