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AfD (no longer in effect)

Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 9 October 2006 . The result of the discussion was redirect to The X Factor UK and Ireland series 3.

I request users not to remove or redirect this article as Leona is not non-notable as she has already recorded a debut album and has worked with professionals to create songs which can be found on the internet from which Leona has a small fanbase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ansildrall (talk • contribs)

Please provide sources. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
She did record an album but she did not release it and was not signed to a record label. She still fails WP:MUSIC at the moment. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Screeching Style

It says she is known for her 'screeching style', but she doesn't screech...Tobzhooli 09:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Leona Lewis won!

On December 16, 2006, Leona Lewis won The X Factor UK and Ireland series 3, and her page is no longer a redirect but a full (and legitimate) article; see it for other reasons of notability. – SAJordan talkcontribs 22:08, 17 Dec 2006 (UTC).

Eh? We know that. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Noted here to avoid any unfortunate misunderstandings, such as someone who doesn't know that coming along, looking at the above AfD summary, thinking the article should still be a redirect, making it so again, and then fully protecting it from all these "vandals" who've made it a full article instead. – SAJordan talkcontribs 04:25, 18 Dec 2006 (UTC).
Oh yeah, of course, cos I said she wasn't notable. Of course, at the time, she wasn't. But she is now! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 09:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced

There are a lot of unsourced claims towards the end of the article, could someone please provide references. Also, how can the single be listed (in the table) as having reached No 1 when the charts haven't even been complied yet? I know it is almost certain to, but it reads like it already has. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Following the blue "IE" link above the number "1" on the chart brings you to the Irish Singles Chart article, where an external link points to http://www.irma.ie/aucharts.asp — which at the moment is for the week ending 21st December 2006, and lists Leona's song at #1. So (a) it's true, and (b) it's verifiable by following the links provided. But it's good that you're alert to issues of sourcing! – SAJordan talkcontribs 06:29, 23 Dec 2006 (UTC).
The comment from GW Simulations was posted before Leona reached number 1 in Ireland; someone had said on the article that she was number 1 in the UK. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I was commenting on This version of the article. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 12:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we'll find out today if she is number one for Christmas :) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

British or English

It would seem there is some dispute, including a number of reverts, over whether she should be called "British" or "English". Personally, I would favour "British", however I would like to open a discussion on this before a revert war breaks out. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My own preference would be to state her residency as "English" (more specific than "British", she's not Scottish or Welsh by birthplace or residence); but her citizenship (if it comes up) might be described as "UK"; and the overall "British Isles" would be suitable in contrast to other parts of the world — for instance to distinguish Leona Lewis and other X-Factor winners from the winners of "American Idol". I'd prefer "British singer" over "English singer", only to avoid having "English" taken as meaning the language. I've amended the entry to say "English (i.e. British) singer and songwriter", my addition boldfaced here. – SAJordan talkcontribs 21:53, 20 Dec 2006 (UTC).
My preference is to use "British singer", and I think I'd also prefer use of "United Kingdom" over "England", though that bothers me less than "English singer" does. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We should follow the most common usage here on Wikipedia and most British subjects, including famous politicians, athletes, entertainers tend to be overwhelmingly identified as either English, Scottish, Welsh, or as being from Northern Ireland and not as British in their introductory paragraphs. I am going to change British to English to follow the example of most similar biographies. --Dreko 14:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Usage should avoid ambiguity. There is no ambiguity in "English politician" or "English athlete", where "English" can only mean "of England". The ambiguity arises with "English singer" or "English poet" or "English writer" or "English speaker", where "English" might also mean "in the English language". As singers, poets, writers, and speakers from other places may also sing, write, or speak in the English language, the meaning "of England" is not clearly conveyed. This is why the parenthetical clarification, "English (i.e. British) singer", was added — to specify the geographical rather than the linguistic sense of "English". Please allow that to remain. – SAJordan talkcontribs 17:26, 21 Dec 2006 (UTC).
I really think there isn't much ambiguity in use of English singer as the term is virtually never used to mean a person who sings in the English language, at least not in any media I have come across. It almost always mean a singer born and/or bred in England. The (i.e British) formulation looks a bit contrived to me. Also as i said above many, if not most, other English-born entertainers including the likes of Paul McCartney, John Lennon, and David Bowie are all labeled English singers in their Wiki bios. Shirley Bassey and Tom Jones are both called Welsh singers on Wiki although there is a living Welsh language and both of them sing in English. The chance of ambiguity seems very small, almost nonexistent, to me and I see no problem with simply using English as opposed to English (i.e British) singer, which I think looks odd. It works in many many other articles with no real issues or discussion and I would prefer it here. SAJordan let's see what others say before asking not to change it. --Dreko 20:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure British should be used here. She's clearly also got non-English roots, I'm sure British should be use. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.38.83.13 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

"English" should be used, as was already stated shes English by birthplace and residence. "British" only adds to the misconception that "English" and "British" can be used interchangeably. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.47.83.154 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Could we compromise on your conflicting demands by using both terms, as before? "English" to be more specific than "British" (not Scottish or Welsh), followed by "British" in parentheses to clarify that the location and not the language is the intended meaning? Thus, "English (British)"? That way no-one loses, you're both right, both terms should be used. – SAJordan talkcontribs 01:27, 25 Dec 2006 (UTC).

Fair enough, I see this as reasonable. What I do not see as reasonable, however is the use of "United Kingdom" and the picture of the Union Flag. Articles on Scottish and Welsh performers are more specific - why isn't the same happening here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.47.76.92 (talk • contribs) 05:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

If other entertainers or public figures of English birth and residence are marked with the English flag and not the Union Flag, then I think you've got a good case. Would you be willing to look up some examples (say, 5-10, the more, the merrier) for the rest of us to see? Then there's both evidence and a fair likelihood of consensus to support the change — a much better outcome than another revert war.

By the way, ending your comment with four tildes ~~~~ will attach your ID with the date and time of posting, which makes it easier to see who said what when, and not think different people's comments were written by the same person, or vice versa.

Registering a username also has advantages, including: names can express your personality or interests or what you want to say about yourself; names are easier than IP numbers for others to remember across posts, so you can build your rep; and you get to have a watchlist showing you updates to pages you've edited or marked "watch". – SAJordan talkcontribs 09:16, 25 Dec 2006 (UTC).

I found one or two (sixteen):
I could find more? 80.47.76.92 09:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I think that should do it. England's flag it is — or does anyone else have countervailing evidence?
And because there's continual reversion back and forth between "England" and "UK" at other points in the article, I urge the compromise of "England, UK" to address the valid concerns of both sides... or leave both sides equally dissatisfied, whichever the case may be. Could we all accept that? – SAJordan talkcontribs 22:56, 25 Dec 2006 (UTC).

No. This does't occur in other articles, it won't happen here. 80.47.209.187 22:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So we go back to a continuous oscillation of reversions, back-and-forth between "England" and "UK", as before? See the edit history. If, instead of compromising by having both, we have only one or the other, there are always people on each side who insist that theirs will be that one. No compromise → no truce → back to the Edit Wars. *sigh* – SAJordan talkcontribs 23:03, 26 Dec 2006 (UTC).

Believe me, I want this resolved as much as you (and "English" right, and you idiots who insist on UK don't deserve the right to a use a computer. I'd be less harshly blunt but this is getting on my t*ts), but unless people realise English is correct and that "UK" is not specific enough, is very rarely used, and that most articles are more specific (and correctly so), they're going to keep reverting it. Some people, eh?80.47.209.187 23:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't refer to people as idiots, it won't help. Can we just pick one and stick to it? English? British? Who gives a fuck? I'm sure Leona doesn't. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 01:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Theres probably a great deal of performers who don't care if they have articles about themselves on Wikipedia. Does that mean they should all have their articles deleted? 80.47.75.49 17:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Let's delete the whole article. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be an official Wikidebate on whether 'British' or 'English', 'Scottish', 'Welsh', 'Northern Irish' should be used instead (not just for this article, but for all). I'm not sure which I prefer, but it's ironic putting 'English' since Leona is only a quarter English anyway. Cypriot stud

From WP:MOSBIO: Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.) The question is, is one a citizen of the United Kingdom, or of England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland? I believe one is British (though I could be wrong). — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1 million pre-sales/orders

There were not one million pre-sales, there were one million pre-orders. That means the stores anticipate that they may need one million, and ordered that many. It's more than possible that Leona could sell 300,000 and leave the remaining 700,000 sitting on shelves. Corrected that until we know what she actually did sell. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.207.89.208 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


i think the following is worthy of a mention if someone wants to add it

HMV spokesman Gennaro Castaldo told the Evening Standard: "Leona's single is already the fastest selling download in history and is now almost guaranteed to be the fastest selling single of the year.

In one day alone, 100,000 copies of the track A Moment Like This were downloaded. [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.113.81.196 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Uhhhh ... the fastest download in history?! Downloaded songs only arrived in the mainstream in 2006, so I wouldn't get too excited over this. Compare the figures in ten years from now .... it'll look like nothing! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.108.121.60 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

X-factor winner, Leona Lewis has broken her third world record to become the fastest selling female performer of all time. Lewis’ single smashed Britney Spears record of 464,000 copies of her single ’Hit Me Baby One More Time.

London, Dec 30: X-factor winner, Leona Lewis has broken her third world record to become the fastest selling female performer of all time.

Her single ‘A moment like this’ reached the number one position and sold 571,253 copies in the first week itself.

"It's great news for Leona, and the song looks solid at number one for a second week," The Mirror quoted her spokesperson, as saying.

Lewis’ single smashed Britney Spears record of 464,000 copies of her single ’Hit Me Baby One More Time’.

Leona's debut song, a cover of a Kelly Clarkson ballad, broke its first record on day one, becoming the fastest selling download with 50,000 copies in the first half hour, and created its second record by becoming the best selling download over the period of a week.

I think that grants a mention.. http://news.sawf.org/Gossip/31356.aspx http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=345208&ssid=2&sid=ENT —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.140.64.197 (talk) 08:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Language of the article

Is it possible to try and reduce the number of short sentences and try and blend them into each other using conjunctions e.g. 2nd paragrah "Leona lives in Hackney. ....etc. This may make the entry flow better grammatically --82.69.88.140 22:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Different Picture Possibly

I was hoping, not being too fussy but a different picture of Leona perhaps as not saying that she looks horrible in the one present but her face seems to be down while her hair is flying everywhere. So, if anyone can get another image of Leona that would be great. Oriana is cool 21:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this has nothing to do with the picture but did Jamelia say nasty things about Leona?Oriana 21:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's three photos of Leona on flickr, this was the best one so I got permission for it to be used. I don't think it's a bad photo. It would be better if she was facing the camera but that's life. Tracking down celebrities isn't exactly the easiest thing to do. And yes Jamelia did say things. I'll see if I can find some news links. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Leona's family

Is any of the stuff mentioned here → [2], here → [3] and several other websites worthy of mention in the encyclopaedia? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whistle register

If I was able to source it, how would one add Leona Lewis's page to the list of whistle register singers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Debbie33 (talk • contribs).

Just add [[Category:Whistle register singers|Lewis, Leona]] to the bottom of the article. What's the source? I've removed it before because there's been no source. It could also be mentioned in the article somewhere. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okie Doke, Still working on sourcing the information. I've read that even if someone has perfect pitch, that's not good enough as it goes against the wiki rules or something to that effect. I wouldn't be too bothered about it, but the fact that JoJo made it to the whistle register list and her own wiki page states her highest note as an E6. Leona hit this note on the X-Factor shows and it was a lot more controlled and crafted than JoJo's squeal, I've heard JoJo hit a C6 once and it wasn't even in whistle register, it was very strained - Superhead! Whereas Leona displayed notes in the early whistle register numerous times throughout the show! Maybe it's just a case of waiting for official sources to confirm this and letting her be for a while. But in my eyes, if JoJo deserves a place there, so does Leona because she sings JoJo under the table in that area of register —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Debbie33 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
I'm sure you're right, I'm no expert so I'll trust you on that. I did a quick Google search earlier for any mention of notes she's reached but couldn't find anything. I know she reached some very high notes on X Factor so I'm sure she is deserving of a place in the category. Which song had the high note? Perfect pitch is something totally different, by the way. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect Pitch is different to what? I didn't say what perfect pitch was. When she sang Lady Marmalade, She hit an Eb6. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debbie33 (talk • contribs)

It's different to what we're talking about, you mentioned it but it's not a part of this discussion. By the way, could you possibly sign your posts using four tildes, like this ~~~~ ? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 02:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, sorry. I didn't realise you had to sign your own posts, I assumed that happened automatically! Anyway, what I was saying about perfect pitch is this - I over read on another discussion page that if someone has perfect pitch, that alone is not enough to submit an entry on to the whistle register list. (by self diagnosing the PITCH of the note). It has to referenced. I think where we are crossing wires is you thought I was assuming Leona had perfect pitch? Which of course, is something totally different to whistle register! Debbie33 01:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Debbie33[reply]

£5million contract

Wow this looks incredibly difficult as a newbie on how to edit etc etc....Just wondering if anyone will update the main page with the fact that Leona performed in a special showcase in America in front of music insiders and bigwigs, and has officially signed a £5million contract with Clive Davis to produce 5albums.

Yes I am about to make an update regarding her new contract. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, welcome to Wikipedia. I've left a welcome note on your user talk page. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect pitch means that you know what note you are hitting...it has nothing to do with the ability to hit a certain frequency. What we were saying on that page was if anyone has perfect pitch and is acredited for it, then we canb use them as a reliable source in order to cite articles and allow them to be put into the whistle register category. We were NOT saying that if an artist has perfect pitch they can be put into this category. I have removed Leona from this category for this reason. Also she hits an F#6 in Lovin' You which is studio recorded, however, again, you need citation in order to accredit her with the whistle register. Snail2 07:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joan Armatrading

Joan Armatrading has said that Leona Lewis is her favourite current artist.[4] Does anybody think this is worthy of mention, and if so, where? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Too many quotes

This article is too biased towards this singer. This is an encyclopaedia and therefore should be just straight facts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gill P (talk • contribs).

What do you think should be removed? Everything appears to be sourced. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page seems to miss information from it's sister page

This article is called Leona_Lewis and there is also another page called Leona_lewis which contains more information but seems to be missing from this one. It looks as though the record company is trying to hide information. Is this possible?(86.142.76.188 06:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.76.188 (talk) 06:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

There is a user called brother egg that seems to have deleted information. (86.142.76.188 06:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

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