Talk:Naruto

Improve

The following are way I thought would help improve the article:

• Make a section about Shippuden

• Make a sub-section to Characters similar to the Main Characters section in Bleach.

• Say more about the in-universe Naruto, likes the countries and rankings.

• Improve the reception section.

Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

shipping section

May I make a segestion about this.. shouldnt we make a "shipping" article for the naruto series on wikipedia? plenty of other anime have it, and it would be good for naruto, due to all of the romantic relationships among characters that fans and facts point out. but, just a suggestion.....24.185.163.37 21:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

plenty of other anime have it,

That's news to me. Regardless if that's true, we're not going to have one. An article about any pairing in the fandom would have no reliable sources and in all likelihood would be unverifiable and be full of original research. Furthermore, not a single pairing, much less shipping in fandom itself, would meet the notability guidelines for fiction. Such articles would be deleted just as soon as they would be created. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 22:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

"Shipping" in some specific fandom, pretty much by definition, lacks reliable sources and notability. Yeah, sometimes you have J.K. Rowling having a laughing riot over shipping in an interview with shippers a day after book release, but that's far from being representative of anything. What will you be able to say about shipping culture in Naruto that won't be exceedingly shallow and meaningless? "There's NaruSaku, and there's SasuSaku, and there's NaruHina, and there's NejiHina, and, well, everybody's absolutely convinced that the scenes between their characters are beacons of delayed character development and the scenes the other shippers bring up don't mean jack squat." There, I just summed up Naruto shipping, and incidentally most other shipping debates that have occurred and probably will occur.

Until Kishimoto Masashi starts rambling about the themes he had envisioned when setting in motion the epic romantic tale of Neji and Tenten, which he won't, this is one issue that ought to remain covered only in-universe. If other pages have long rambling paragraphs regarding the arguments and counter-arguments of who Ash Ketchum is going to end up with, or whatever, the problem is there, not here. At any rate the exploration of out-of-universe notability the shipping in some fandom has seems to fit much more organically in the actual article about shipping. --AceMyth 02:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a Shippuden card from Japan made by Bandai which is officially licensed. On the front is Shikamaru close to Temari. The card all but calls them a couple. Would that constitute an out-of-universe shipping example that could be cited in a Naruto "shipping" section? 68.180.195.10 05:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

No, it's still a primary source. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Primary source has nothing to do with it — indeed, if it were a primary source (i.e. series canon from the manga) we could add it to their character articles— the problem is that it's original research. --tjstrf talk 06:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Aren't we all forgetting that the romantic elements of Naruto are merely inserted as comedic moments? Romance is not the central point of this series, merely a nice addition. Besides, who are we to decide who loves who when we are only they who post what has happened and not what will? Just a thought guys. ~Ginkini 00:30, 3 September 2007

Neutral Point of View? Again?

The Neutral Point of View issue has yet to be solved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usarnaime (talk • contribs) 20:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

What neutral point of view issue? NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

"Naruto has a large and colorful cast of characters, running a gamut of detailed histories and complex personalities"...seems like it's complementing the "complex" and "detailed" characters. Usarnaime 05:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Is this an issue with NPOV on the part of the article, or User:Usarnaime? --tjstrf talk 05:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I am sure it is about the article. It seems clear to me that usaranime believes that the phrase "Naruto has a large and colorful cast of characters, running a gamut of detailed histories and complex personalities" is to complementary and should be replaced. --67.68.152.197 07:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Just delete or rephrase the sentence already. Problem solved. —davidh.oz.au 12:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Ooh. Both Usarnaime and a helpful anonymous contributor popping up to back up and explain his position misspell "complimentary" in the same way. Now what are the odds of that? --AceMyth 13:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Japanese proper names vs. English translations

The "Leaf Village"? We don't call Tokyo the "Eastern Capital", do we? <sarcasm> Should "Leaf Shadow" replace Hokage? </sarcasm>

Granted, I view the series in Japanese, but the obvious inconsistencies if you start to translate a few proper names here and there makes it look weird. Better to provide a brief glossary with core name components so that the ethusiasts who make it this page actually get a chance to learn - isn't that what Wikipedia is about?

Thomas 15:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC) "T-Rex was a carnivore - not a meateater"

Hokage means fire shadow. o.o And we don't have to just translate everything. Translate how the English manga does (they call it Konoha, I'm pretty sure).—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Controversy

Someone repeatedly reversed my edit. So I posted it here to avoid an edit war.

Please give your reason why it should or should not be added to the article. NOTE: your reason should not be whether Naruto does or does not plagiarize other comics, because the edit DOES NOT CLAIM that Naruto plagiarizes, it only CLAIMS that the controversy or debate exists.

If nobody has objection here, I will add it back. Thank you.

"It is hotly debated in Chinese Naruto fans community that Naruto's author Masashi Kishimoto may have been plagiarizing the famous Hong Kong manhua Fung Wan. The evidences are numerous similarities, parallel patterns between the two works on character designs, character developments and plot-lines. Fung Wan was written by Ma Wing Shing in much earlier time. The most striking similarities include, both books have protagonists that seek revenge on the murderer who wiped out their clans, both books have a destined duel between the protagonists which takes place at exactly the same time in the books, that is at the end of volume one of both. In volume two, both books have a secret organization that seeks to complete the collection of a number of unique objects and parallel patterns between Uchiha Clan in Naruto and the Heavenly Sword Sect in Fung Wan are found. The controversy is still at the level of fans, the authors can not be reached for comments and no copyright infringement lawsuits are filed." Kakarukeys 06:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

There's no reliable sources for this claim or that there's controversy around it, it's all original research. A fan site is not a reliable source. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 06:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

First of all, the edit was reverted by two different users (including myself), not just one.

Secondly, I think I speak for the both of us when I say I'm a bit skeptical about this. Revenge sought against those who killed loved ones, duels between rival protagonists, item-seeking organizations; it's not like any of these are unique in any form of storytelling. As for the duel taking place at the end of the books, there's really no better place to put a dramatic duel. This pattern can be seen in much more than Naruto and Fung Wan.

Third, and most importantly, is that I have not heard anything about this on any forum I have visited or any fan that I personally know. "Hotly debated" implies that the fact is well-known amongst those who care about either of the two series. Perhaps you're right, and it is discussed among Fung Wan's fans, but aside from a single website that you provided, we have no evidence. I wouldn't call that a controversy until copyright infringement lawsuits are filed. As of now, it's just a comparison.

Thank you for coming here instead of edit warring, by the way. I wish I could read the source you provided so that I could comprehend your point more completely, but as of now I can only read in English and a tiny bit of Spanish and Tagalog :). Regards, You Can't Review Me!!! 06:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

FLC

I've nominated List of Naruto episodes (Seasons 1-2) for featured list status. Please express your comments at the nomination here at WP:FLC. Feel free to make any and all necessary improvements. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 04:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

That would help make Naruto taken more seriously. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Template

I changed the series template so that it includes the seasons articles. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think there needs to be a disclaimer for the Naruto Editz site link

This guy is clearly working from bootlegs. The reason why this presents a problem is because some of what he presents as "editz" are merely CORRECTIONS to the original Japanese broadcast animation. This is a regular practice in this industry. As I'm sure many of you are aware, when these broadcast episodes hit DVD, animations mistakes get corrected. Had he purchased actual Japanese retail DVD's of the show, he would not be pointing out so many "changes".

Clearly what is shown on Cartoon Network is the end result of these corrections. And of course, they then edited in one way or another for broadcast. And while it WOULD be interesting to see what gets changed from Japanese broadcast to DVD to American Broadcast, that's not how this site presents the information. It WILL confuse those not familiar with the correcting process.

I'm pretty sure the Naroto Editz guys himself confused because nowhere on his site does he state this clarification. In fact on his site on the "editz" page he (incorrectly) states:

"-Important Note: All Editz pages in this section have been compared to the DVD version of Naruto. That means that every edit on every page, is 100% accurate."

This is why I believe he's using bootlegs (not that I care, just point it out) and not real DVD's. Anyone can make a bootleg of the broadcast with a DVR and sell it to people who don't know any better.

I shot him an e-mail a long time ago but he never responded.

I say either remove it or get a better Uncensored page. Utils 20:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the link. Being a fansite, there's no way that it meets the verifiability guidelines of the site, and the objections you've brought up bring its accuracy into question. Now, the question is where are we going to find a more reliable source for the changes. (by the way, hi Utils. Small world, huh?) NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 22:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Its use is acceptable for the intended purpose. (i.e. [1]) This is not an exernal link. We were using it as a reference on a single, specific fact. By using it as a reference, we're not putting the Wikipedia Stamp Of Approval™ on anything else the site might say. –Gunslinger47 00:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

minor detail you can buy upto volume 24 now see link below for proof

I read the following text "To date, the first 18 volumes are available. In order to catch up to the translated anime, Viz plans to release volumes 16 to 27 three at a time over the months of September to December 2007.[3]" however I think you should alter it slightly so that it shows upto which volume you can currently buy.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Naruto-24-Masashi-Kishimoto/dp/1421518600/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_0/203-1660549-3728764

J 212.219.239.73 17:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Ichiraku Ramen Bar merge

Seriously, no one's edited it for over a year. I suggest a merge to Land of Fire. I posted it there, but no one even looks at it anymore... Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hell, just redirecting and creating quick bios for Teuchi and Ayame on the Land of Fire article would be better. Article's fancruft, there's nothing worthwhile to merge into the article and it's a prime target for deletion as it stands. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Publisher in Mexico

i added the publisher in mexico —Preceding unsigned comment added by HeatGuyRed (talk • contribs) 00:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Movies

I don't really think it's necessary to make an article for every Naruto movie. I suggest we merge them together into something like List of Naruto movies. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow someone sure is consistent. ^_^ Each movie can waarant it owns article, each has 3rd party sources and can support itself.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 02:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

But are they really notable enough for articles? Not really. And do they each have major affects on the series and movies altogether, like Halloween (film) or King Kong? No, movies don't have affects on the actual series, and no, they don't have major roles on media. And do they have enough information to even warrant articles? No, they're stubs. They would be better if they were all put together into one page about the Naruto movies. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 18:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Movies are always notable when they're shown in major theaters, worldwide or not. Only one page about every movie would be foolish. I haven't really cared about the whole merging spree that's been going on lately, but use a little common sense here. They can easily be more than stubs, but merging is not the answer to everything. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

A way to improve this article

I doubt any of you would be capable of doing this, but the Portugal version to this article is an FA-Class article. If someone can read Portugese, please help us improve that article by telling is what it has that we don't. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The only thing it really has is that it has a slightly more comprehensive media section. Aside from that, it's a list of in-universe topics, and wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing WP:FAC here. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 23:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Character Name Order

It was not too long ago that the characters were listed in the proper format (i.e. Uzumaki Naruto). I can't imagine a such a massive and very thorough change could have been made casually, but I don't remember seeing it in this discussion page when I found it that way a month or two ago. I can see how one could say that since this is the english wikipedia page and we don't use names in that order that we should change it, but it seems to me that you can translate words and even give nicknames to things that may just be gibberish in japanese, but you really shouldn't change the name of a character. He is Uzumaki Naruto, and technically Naruto Uzumaki, though containing all the information and corresponding with the Cartoon Network translated episodes, is just not his name. 128.230.155.178 01:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)DanK 10/26/07

Japan and many east-Asian countries use a system in which the family name goes first and the given name goes last. The United States and many "western" (I hate using the terms "western" and "eastern" to describe culture, but...) nations use a system of nomenclature where given name goes first and the family name goes last. We did not change the names; we simply conformed to English grammar. You Can't See Me! 01:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It's been well over a month since this change took place, more like a year. The discussion was held at length at the time and consensus went in favor of proper grammar. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Over a year ago, in fact. And yeah, the change was to fit with proper grammar, the Manual of Style and common usage. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I should also be noted that none of the guidlines that supported the move at that time have udergone any changes since that would support overturning the move either. --67.68.152.40 02:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a page meant for explaining the reasoning: Portal:Naruto/FAQ#Name_order. –Gunslinger47 03:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Zhengman777, Sept 27 '07, 17:00:
The English Dub for Naruto (on Cartoon Network) reverses the last/first name sequence of the Japanese Characters, such as saying 'Sasuke Uchiha' rather than the proper version 'Uchiha Sasuke.' This is because the dubbers saw that the anime was called 'Naruto' and to prevent confusing the little kids watching why the anime was named after the Last Name (which is really the first name in Japanese, but like I said, the kids probably won't get it) rather than his First Name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.152.40 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure, but I think that the majority of kids do not browse Wikipedia. Just in case, we should state that the English dub switches the name order if it was not done so already. However, refer to the characters in the correct order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhengman777 (talk • contribs)

Since when was the Japanese order the correct one? Besides, if you want to change it, you're going to have to get the community to agree to change both the guidelines and consensus for the current order anyway. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It should also be noted that few other anime articles have family names presented first and most if not all that do are of characters that are born before 1868, the first year of the Meiji. Naruto it not set in any particular timeframe so this does not apply here. As per my original point, we don't see animes like Bleach, Sailor Moon, Digimon, varius Gundam Series, etc addopting a family name first so I don't see why this show should be different. Finally, I do not believe the idea children watching the dub should even be a factor in the naming decision because that does not address in any way the guidlines and exsiting consensus against such a change. --70.48.111.217 21:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

"Since when was the Japanese order the correct one? Besides, if you want to change it, you're going to have to get the community to agree to change both the guidelines and consensus for the current order anyway. neochaosX" uhh since it was done originaly in Japanese the correct order is JAPANESE.--Had24get2ice 15:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

No it is not. The WP:MOS-JA as well as WP:UE which is are Wikipeida guildlines clearly contrdict that claim. There is also no policy or guldine on Wikipeida that even remotely supports the suggestion that the name or names used originally have to tbe the main ones used in articles and as mentioned several times there are several guidlines as well as precident that go against this cliam. --67.68.154.144 19:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

FLC, again

I've nominated List of Naruto episodes (Seasons 3-4) for FL status. After the success of the previous nomination, I see no reason why this list cannot achieve FL status either. Feel free to express your comments here. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 05:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Just noting here, it's been ten days with only one comment onto the above nomination. Again, all comments are welcome. Thanks. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 01:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Haha, looks like I will comment. I'm surprised, I'd never thought a list could be so detailed and interesting to read. Good luck with the FL status. =) σмgнgσмg 07:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Naruto Universe

I've been waiting for a while, though no help was given. As said, articles like the rank article and geography have little chance of survivng much longer. As such, I proposed to create a Naruto universe article that contained all of this and allowed a place to show tailed beast and Akatsuki information should more "MERGE! MERGE! MERGE!" attacks come to those articles. This was supported by a few, who said they rather see a finished product first and then they'll decide. I asked for help on this by them, though no reply was ever made. So I'm basically posting this here, then. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the point of merging Tailed Beasts, Akatsuki, and Jutsu topic information into the page if we're just going to keep the rest of the text on those pages as "List of-" articles. My main concern, though, is that the page looks like a collection of almost random information. I don't mean to say that it can't fare, but... I can't really find a way to put this onto words, but the best I could come up with is that there just isn't any flow to it at all. There's no unifying theme to that set aside from the fact that they all have some importance in the Naruto series. Sorry that I can't elaborate my point. You Can't See Me! 20:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the phrase you're looking for is "an indiscriminate collection of information". At least, that's what I see in this proposed article. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 20:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

My meaning for posting this was not to get the article approved, but improve the sandbox of it so that it can be approved. I'm asking people to help bring it up to standards. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 00:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Decision

Since it seems as though this Wiki page is beyond repair, most characters not having their own pages anymore, Jutsu are mainly gone last I checked and more, I say we either fix it up, start a Naruto Wiki, leave it and leave links to other websites with better information. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.236.20.91 (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a Naruto wiki and they are seriously in need of help. See Wikia:Naruto for more information. –Gunslinger47 19:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd also hardly say that Wikipedia is beyond repair simply because a bunch of characters with no real-world significance have listed profiles rather than full pages. If you feel the need to convert them back into full pages, go right ahead, but be sure to include any significance they have out-of-universe, source them, and get rid of plot summary. You Can't See Me! 19:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Names

The character's names are the wrong way around. It isn't Naruto Uzumaki, it is properly said Uzumaki Naruto, putting the family name last. This has been change by the Americans and should be put the way the original Japanese script provided not The American translations. FireyOmega77

Portal:Naruto/FAQ#First or last name first?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Please at least read the names of the other threads on the page. Your question was already answered above. You Can't See Me! 04:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It was also mentioned a few topics ago and it was clearly explained why we are not going to due that. In short no one has come up with anything that IMO even remotly justifies going against the WP:MOS-JA. --70.48.173.121 02:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Question

umm, i was still really confused about this and i'm a die-hard naruto fan but....how can Naruto be the same age as Sasuke and Sakura if he failed the entrance exams like three times?--Bloody rock princess 01:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they let him in early, who knows? We sure don't. Point is, it's not relevant to the article. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

He could be older or the entrance exams occur several times a year. Remember, Lee, Ten-Ten, and Neji are older yet often lumped in with Naruto's class. There is a proper answer to your question somewhere, but I agree with Someguy that the issue does not have to be solved in this page. Egospite 23:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

FLC aid

The FLC for List of Naruto chapters (Part I) is close to its ten day mark, with no consensus reached over the fact whether to include the serialization dates of the chapters in the individual volumes. Given that the discussion will likely be closed as a "no consensus" result, adding the dates would be better than loosing the nomination altogether and having to place a second nomination. As for specifics, the request has been to add a "Date X to Date Y" for each volume where the chapters were published in the Weekly Shonen Jump (in Japan) and the U.S. Shonen Jump (in the U.S.). Including this in a line below the list of chapters in each volume would be sufficient. As for sourcing that, I'm clueless, otherwise I would have added the information already. Any and all aid is much appreciated. Thanks. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 22:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Chinese Naruto

Is there any reference that can be found linking Naruto series to chinese,because there have often been names of the Naruto characters that are chinese,an example of chinese characters is the symbol on Gaara's forehead '愛' which means love-translated from traditional chinese. User:Wongdai clcheung 08:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)