Talk:Pimp

I agree with Anon that this is potentially useful info, which is why I merged it, rather than deleting it. However, I think a seperate article here isn't the correct way to structure the subject. To me, it'd be like having seperate articles on murderer and murdered person. That said, I'll happilly give way on the subject - have fun with the article. :) Martin 00:47, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada. I deleted that. --NoPetrol 00:00, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Update: Never mind. It seems that prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada- just not in Las Vegas. --NoPetrol 00:02, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I wonder if this article needs to be so long and detailed. Most of the info is covered in the Prostitution article. I think the part about the portrayal of pimps in pop culture is very useful, but most of the other stuff was more relevant to prostitution than pimps. Also, much of the article was subjective. (e.g. How prostitutes "suffer" under pimps, prostitutes as victims of pimps, etc.) Needs a bunch of work. -Smedley Hirkum 05:03, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Most pimp-prostitute relationships are suggestive and guided"?

This statement, taken from the introduction of this article, is questionable. Aside from a few testimonies (see the talk subject "misinformed" on this page), is there conclusive quantitative evidence that most pimp-prostitute relationships aren't abusive? This brings into question the definition of pimp. Is someone who traffics sex slaves considered a pimp? How can we know whether most people on the management side are abusive or not? Where are the numbers? Or is "pimp" only used to describe a particular subset of the industry comprised mostly of benevolent flesh peddlers? --Dante456 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this statement is controversial and needs to either be sourced, changed or removed. --I 05:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

A reasonable and quick edit might be to replace "most" with "many": "Many pimp-prostitute relationships are suggestive and guided, etc." Are there any opinions? --Dante456 01:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that would fall under the category "weasel words." Surely there are economists who study this sort of thing, or government studies to refer to. After all, this industry is a concern of the law.

Edit Requests

I'm declaring this section for requesting edits to the page, since it's semi-protected.

• Rather than disapproval of prostitution, this attitude is due to the pimp is being economically supported by his women and is therefore less of a man. -> Rather than disapproval of prostitution, this attitude is due to the pimp being economically supported by his women and therefore less of a man. -- Quindraco

Good job finding those grammatical errors, Quindraco. Jecowa 06:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

P.I.M.P is how its spelled biatchs.

Photos

Uh, why aren't there any photos on this page? I thought this would be a perfect page for 'em, and yet- nothing! Not a single man in a funky suit! Why? Popsix 21:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Dubious pimps

• Keep an eye out for user Nex O-Slash. A friend pointed out the addition of 'John Quincy Adams' to the famous pimps list, which I deleted. History can attribute this addition to him. I'm a comparative n00b here, so I have no idea (without researching) whether further action can be taken. Spamguy 06:19, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

John Quincy Adams was accused of pimping by Andrew Jackson in Jackson's 1824 campaign for the presidency of the United States. This can be verified by doing a search on the internet. (23 Mar. 2005)

I think some of the others on that list could use looking at, such as Calouste Gulbenkian. I can't find anything showing him to be a "pimp" ;) Sam_Spade (talk · contribs) 14:15, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nor can I. I'm going to delete it. Jackliddle 17:11, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I just removed *Robert "Bobbo" Simione as unverifiable -WCFrancis 01:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

"J Wags" removed... unverifiable. --Jamott 21:39, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

• Brad Robinson the one and only the most unforgetable —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.11.211.27 (talk) 16:44, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should split this article in two

There's a definite difference between actual pimps who control prostitutes and cultural pimps who wear lots of bling. Perhaps we should expand on this by creating two separate articles: "Pimp" and "Pimp (culture)" or something to that effect. Smedley Hirkum 21:51, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, Pimp as a positive term? Perhaps "diddler" (child molestor) will be the next pimp word. "Shaggyz a real diddler, with all those young hos on 'is arm."

Pimp Culture

I thought is would be good at least to include one external link to a store that shows the new products that people buy to go to places such as Pimp 'N Ho that is coming up in september on the long weekend, at places such as Player's Ball that happens in January and at other Pimp 'N Ho parties all over las vegas, las angeles and other parts of US. I hope people don't revert it, at least they will just modify it if they the statement is badly worded.

I removed the link, because Wikipedia strongly discourages links to commercial sites. Joyous (talk) 11:14, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Pimps!?

i added Mathan Panchinglam on, because he claims he is a pimp, maybe he is..but he is! because his music explains it!

So...you are telling me all the artist listed are pimps...which means they sleep with hoes!?

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>x<ino 12:27, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm removing 50/Curtis Jackson... although he does fit some of the pimp criteria, he hasn't really self-styled him like Ice-T or Snoop Dogg. The lyrics to P.I.M.P. are more of a story, not his life. Also adding back Jelly Roll Morton... multiple sources indicate he had pimped in his career.--Jamott 22:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

are you sure about that!?trust me.. you don't know all this fool singers they are all doing gangbanging with some hoes, but we just don't know they kept it has a sercret and how come Ice -T is a pimp!? >x<ino 23:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Xino I know what you mean... but I think that is more part of the "rap game" than true pimping. As for Ice-T, he grew up in South Central LA (named himself after Iceberg Slim) and is alleged to have pimped, not to mention his various songs and his 'educational documentary' entitled "Pimpin' 101". --Jamott 21:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Word origin of 'pimp'

Where did the word 'pimp' originate? It's strange how tags and names of formerly ill-received language can become the "in" thing in later cultures. I have looked a bit online and haven't found much yet to indicate the language it might have come from, so anyone out there...please lend a hand or point another direction. I'm quite curious. Thanks. 67.160.183.64 18:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)C.Crawford

French, apparently. Natgoo 17:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The word pimp is derived from the word Primp which is a verb that means to groom, spruce up, and gussy up. The word is derived from Primp because the male pimps usually spend more time in the mirror than the ladies. And this is a fact. Hence the elobarate apperances of the Pimp.

Misinformed

This article is filled with incorrect assumptions. I am a prostitute and I have a pimp. He does not abuse me in any way, and he did not get me addicted to drugs; as a matter of fact, he helped me stop using drugs and alcohol. I am a better person for having him in my life. As for the rest of the comments listed here, if you would like to know what a real pimp is and would like to gain some knowledge on all aspects of life, visit LINK PIMPING REMOVED.

isnt prostitution illegal? cant the poliece throw u in jail for confessing a crime on the internet? -68.252.125.121

68.252.125.121 is forgetting that this skank didn't sign and thus cannot be prosecuted. ReverendG 03:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

you're both forgetting that she didn't say where she lives; there are many places where prostitution is legal. and anyway, the police need more than a claim to arrest you - otherwise every rapper who talks about drive-bys and smoking dope would be in jail now. --dan 00:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

REFERENCES: Why is Bishop Don Magic Juan not listed as a pimp? Wikopedia has him listed as a hip hop artist. He was a retired pimp first. Pimpin Ken's book is listed as a reference but why isn't he named in the PIMP section? Secondly it says "really really pimping in the south" is the highest rated movie on pimping. "Cross Country Pimping" is the most popular and highest rated, most bootlegged pimp movie out. ---MISSLASVEGAS=== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.26.40.96 (talk) 02:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Pimp outlawed

In the opening pharagraph, it states In 1949, the United Nations adopted a convention stating that prostitution is incompatible with human dignity, requiring all signing parties to punish pimps and brothel owners and operators, and to abolish all special treatment or registration of prostitutes. The convention was ratified by 89 countries, with the exception of Germany, the Netherlands, Australia, the United States and others. This is quite difficult to comprehend. Why did countries like the US and Germany not enfore the convention...? -Zero^Talk 08:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

because prostitution then would go on on illegal terms (like in russia), with lot more criminality about it. as prostitution is legal in germany the whores have some standards, healthcare and social security.

And just in case you are wondering: While prostitution is legal in germany, pimping is not. Cisz Helion 07:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

something wrong with etymology

a verb can't mean "alluring in outward appearance" etc. maybe this should read "to be alluring ..."? Benwing 02:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

"Illegal in US" template

A warning is not needed. Wikipedia is an open, free encyclopedia, not a child-friendly book pasted in warning stickers. SteveSims 03:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm just going to take it out. Topher0128 00:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

How bout a picture of a pimp?

Malcolm X

Malcolm X is a pimp? Any proof?

-I concur. Cite something or delete that crap!

He was a pimp before he went to prison and cleaned up his act. It's in his Autobiography.

I haven't read his book for quite a few years. However, as I remember it, he was the leader of a ring of burglers, which included his girl friend, but not a pimp. I took him off the list and a few others too. Steve Dufour 13:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I also read the book and found no mentioning of his being a pimp, so I deleted the Malcolm X reference. Kemet 16:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

socioclastic?

"A popular opinion is that women cannot be called pimps, as the word implies male socioclastic dominance" how did socioclastic get in here? it's not in OED, not on dictionary.com, and the only google result i could find (ignoring other sites that quote this exact line) was a pdf of a book about "a picture of the world in 2025, as shaped by science and technology and based on forecasts and assumptions about that future world" that has it in "a sampling of words introduced to English in the past two years". so it's a word somebody made up and said would be popular in 20 years. i am all for people making and using new words, but nobody reading the article will know what this one means without further research. so anyway, this is my longwinded way of saying i am taking the word out, and while i'm at it rephrasing to avoid things like 'a popular opinion'. --dan 01:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Wikipedia is intended for everyone to understand. Jecowa 03:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Pimp Image

I've been trying to add an image of a pimp to this article, but when I follow thew standard procedure it never appears. Can someone please fix this. Thanks, Boris Allen 00:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Instead some anon has just removed the image. Unless I am told otherwise why exactly this should not appear on the article, I intend to put it back up whenever this happens--Boris Allen 08:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

An error has occurred and the Wikimedia software believes a thumbnail exists for the the sizes 200px, 250px, and 300px, although these were never created or these were created and deleted by someone. That would be a funny prank. The image will appear if the size is set to another value. That picture isn't very professional in appearance though. It looks like it was taken with a point-and-click camera (I'm guessing a camera phone or other cheap digital camera) in a poorly lit room. The image also does not portray a pimp as described in the article as one wearing "wild, flashy clothes." The person in the Image:pimp.jpg photo is not wearing anything that could be described as "wild" or "flashy." For comparison, this man. is garbed in wild, flashy clothes. It would be nice if this article included an image, but not this one. Jecowa 21:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Reference to UN convention of 2005

The following statement is made in this article:

"In 2005, the United Nations adopted a convention stating that prostitution is a matter of sexual choice and should be legal throughout the UN, repealing the 1949 statute. Most voters voted for the resolution, and 165 countries legalized prostitution. The most notable non-signatory was the United States."

Please add link to source

Puempfrage

In the "Other Uses" section, it says the german word "puempfrage". I presume this is taken from an english site, since "ue" is the web way of writing ü. Please correct and make it "pümpfrage". Alex2143 07:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

"A pimp finds and manages clients for __a prostitute__ and engages __them__ in prostitution..."

There is a disagreement of plurality (marked) in the first sentence of the article. I am not a registered user, and in four days I'm not going to remember to change this. Someone should replace "a prostitute" with "prostitutes".

grammar

"A pimp finds and manages clients for __a prostitute__ and engages __them__ in prostitution..."

There is a disagreement of plurality (marked) in the first sentence of the article. I am not a registered user, and in four days I'm not going to remember to change this. Someone should replace "a prostitute" with "prostitutes". Oconnor664 00:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like someone has changed this already per your request. Thanks for proof-reading. Jecowa 18:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Current Photo

I don't agree that this photo represents a stereotypical pimp. There are also issues with using a photo of a specific person to illustrate this concept. I'm going to revert the photo for now, let's discuss it on this page and reach a concensus before putting it back on, okay? janejellyroll 01:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I also don't believe the photo belongs in the article. What stereotype does this illustrate? It's a person with a sideways cap and an earring. You can see people dressed like that at the mall. Joyous! | Talk 02:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The photo has no place here. It's completely random. --Strait 04:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing we're talking about Image:Pimp.jpg here. Although the person in this image could be described by the adjective "pimp" in American slang (which means cool), I agree that it doesn't portray a stereotypical pimp (which means a person who solicits customers for prostitution and acts as manager for prostitutes). Jecowa 01:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Pimp.jpg

As a lot of you are aware already, I spent a fair bit of time and effort dressing like a pimp and then photographing myself, and uploading the subsequent image onto this site, specifically to enhance this article. Unfortunately, shortly after I added it, along came the trolls to remove it, claiming it was not appropriate. Well, I won't give up the fight that easily. If you want to see the image, click here [1] I really need all the help I can get on this one, so please vote here so that my image may be placed in this article somewhere. Thanks--Boris Allen 16:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll have to agree with the "trolls" above and say that picture does not represent in any way what pimps supposively look like. I'm guessing you are going to warn me like you did the other user and I'll just say its not going to help you in any way. Your use of a custom tag is in no way appropriate or proper on a article page and should have been submitted as a template rather than grafted on an article. Gdo01 17:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Emotionally-manipulative image

Recently, an image of a 1913 statuette depicting a girl child being sold by a working class man was uploaded in the articles “prostitution”, “pimp” and “child prostitution”. While this statuette has no doubt had the effect of moral resent and repugnance in general on its 1913 upper class audience, the informational value of it in the “prostitution” and “pimp” articles is hard to see. The only justification of it would be to visually describe what prostitution is supposedly like. In the latter case, this amounts to emotional manipulation and POV. Current prostitution should be described through 21st century documentation, rather that 1913 art. I’m removing it. Alfons Åberg 05:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

This is an encyclopaedia, it deals with historical, as well as contemporary, accounts of pimping. The statuette caused a minor uproar at the time it was commissioned - and as long as the image caption says that it is depicting the "white slavery" of the time, and not meant to be indicative of all prostitutes, it is not "emotionally manipulative" in any way. Restoring image, unless you want to try an RfC. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 05:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

You say that "The statuette caused a minor uproar at the time it was commissioned". I do maintain, however, that the statue is an artists enterpretation of something. We need to distinguish between prostitution _per se_ and _popular perceptions_ of prostitution. Your image illustrates perceptions among artists and their audience. I sincerely think this would fit nicely in an article that could be named Popular perceptions of prostitution. I do maintain that it is "emotionally manipulative" to suggest, that pimping equates men forcing girl children into sexual slavery, which is what the image suggests in this context. Alfons Åberg 09:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

No single image can fulfill every function that you want to illustrate in an article, that's why I added, eight images to Prostitution last night, all illustrating different aspects of the trade. Some are "positive", some are "negative", but claiming we therefore shouldn't use this image is like claiming that Image:Bmc perrache.JPG "gives the impression that all prostitutes work in vans" or that Image:1787-prostitutes-caricature.jpg shouldn't be used because it suggests all prostitutes are cheerful tax-evaders. The image fills its role in the article - it just needs other images to balance out and show other sides as well. Same deal with "Pimp", though I had trouble finding free images of procurers as easily last night...hopefully soon though - there must be some paintings and such at least. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 14:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

"Other uses" section

I've drastically trimmed the largely unsourced "Other uses" section. I've left in the "despicable person" meaning which is sourced to a published dictionary. I've removed one statement that is sourced to a website called "Urban Dictionary", it isn't a reliable source. --Tony Sidaway 17:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Pimp can also mean a guy wearing pink.And people also say "pimpin'".It's like saying "cool". They also say "pimped out". --Strongman123 02:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Biddle Barrows

Sydney Biddle Barrows should be included as a notable pimp/madame. --User:anonymous 22:30, 16 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Pimps in Popular Culture

Someone mentioned that an image of a 'pimp' as portrayed in popular culture today was added to this article, then removed. It does make sense to have a picture of what is today perceived to be clothing that a pimp might wear/what one might look like. ArdenD 18:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't that term of pimp derive from 70's blaxploitation movies, where pimps were flashy and flamboyant characters, portrayed almost heroically? 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 12:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Pimp Business?

Pimp Business? You've got to be kidding me. that is the funniest thing I've seen all day. 'Pimp business' on Wikipedia. Don't revert. Just :D 00:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)~