Talk:World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

Release date

A few websites allow people to pre-order the game, listing May 30th 2008 as the release date. Here is the page from play.com (http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3438174/World-Of-Warcraft-Wrath-Of-The-Lich-King/Product.html) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.243.67 (talk) 19:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC) comfirmed with HMV in the UK to be Released on the 30th May 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.239.163 (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

We will add it when and only when it is confirmed by an offical source untill then we will leave it blank. Joeking16 13:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Interviews

Ok, so, apparently there are interviews with Blizzard developers that this is confirmed and if I find any truth to this, I will post these interviews. -Cam^T|C 11:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

That, more than likely, won't be enough. Just about everything in this article is speculation, nothing is sourced and the entire working of the article hints that this is little more than a rumor at this point. -- Jelly Soup 11:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed

The new expansion was confirmed, and I have to changed the article to reflect this. Also, I have added features that were announced at Blizzcon 2007. Thylacine222 18:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep looks like the rumors were true for once, good job Thylacine222

Martinj63 18:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

New Races?

Do you think there will be new races? If so, what would they be?

Chances are there won't be new races, nothing was announced that would even hint towards that, and we wouldn't really be able to speculate on wikipedia. Thylacine222 21:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

It's pretty much a 100% certain there won't be any new races.

Do you mean new races in general, or new playable races? -Cam^T|C 03:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

New non-playable races was already confirmed - like the Vrykul.

At this point we have not even a mention for new playable races. That's all we can say, we are still so distant to the release - see the time they waited for reveal the draenei in TBC. wildie · wilđ di¢e · wilł die 10:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but it was not denied either. So at this point, we cannot throw out the possibility of new races. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.180.69 (talk) 05:36, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

well to be honest (as of this post) its only been a MONTH since it was announced, and its going to be at least 7-9 before its all released, and the draeni and BE's weren't announced until the 4th month of production. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.73.152 (talk) 04:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Arthas End game boss?

On the Arthas page it says it has been confirmed that Arthas is a End game boss, I did not see anywhere on the offical announcement where that is mentioned.

A ton of info was released through Gamespot's blog earlier today

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraftwrathofthelichking/news.html?sid=6176111

and it says that you'll be able to fight and raid against Arthas. So I think that means he can be considered an end game boss. Metalhead0043 04:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

As Illidan, if Arthas is going to be a boss, I think he will be shown only in a latter patch. wildie·wilđ di¢e.wilł die 11:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

TBC required?

Is there any info on whether The Burning Crusade is going to be required to use this expansion? 71.112.137.71 02:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Nothing is announced yet but I'd say it's reasonable to assume you'd need TBC. It would be very difficult to level from 60-68 or so in the old world zones. Metalhead0043 04:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The devs said they hadnt decided for sure yet but would probably go the route of including burning crusade free with Wrath of The Lich King 83.104.138.141 03:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

They said Northrend's going to be 68+, this probably means you're going to need TBC to enjoy Northrend. 85.101.143.79 07:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

This is just an opinion, but I don't think there'll be a large demographic of people who will want the second expansion but not the first. However, since there's bound to be a player or two, perhaps there will be some extra level 60-68 enemies added in the core game or second expansion. That, or the first expansion will be required for the second. --85.5.180.111 09:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Please: On Contributing

Please if you're going to contribute to this article at least present your additions in a somewhat Encyclopedic format. In other words don't copy and paste opinions from the WoW general forum. Many of us are watching and it will be deleted. Martinj63 03:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I added the instances section. Hopefully it's in a good enough format for Wikipedia. Metalhead0043 04:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Is it encyclopedic to compare Northrend to a croissant, of all things? Why not a half-moon? Stryik 19:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Half-moon would work as well, it just didn't pop into my head when trying to describe the shape. Looking back, hunger may have helped my failure in describing it better than "crossaint-shaped". Sorry, folks! - fmmarianicolon | Talk 19:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

NO! it is not HALF MOON! It's a croissant (IPA: [kʁwa'sɑ̃] ) shape. Half moons are leaner, and more pointed, while croissants (IPA: [kʁwa'sɑ̃] ) are more bulbous in the center with rounder edges - like Northrend. Croissant (IPA: [kʁwa'sɑ̃] ) is the more appropriate physical description for the geographical distinction of the continent of Northrend.

I agree with the above post, Crossaint is a more accurate description... --209.114.128.60 15:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Then probably the best wording would be "cresent", as croissants are cresent shaped :P Rjcomputergeek 13:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

ACTUALLY, your wrong, a croissant (IPA: [kʁwa'sɑ̃] ) has a very distinct shape that is similar yet very importantly different - such differences have clearly been spelled out in my C1 9above post. My opponent has basically dropped my entire case, while I have contested and provided evidence against his own case, proving that you should vote AFF this round.

Crescent is definitely a better descriptive word. For a start the word croissant, a French pastry, comes from the French word for Crescent which is, yes, croissant. Since this is an English-language wikipedia the shape is like a crescent, not a croissant. To describe it as croissant-shaped is simply poor English and consequently unencyclopedic.Inbetweener (talk) 16:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Croissants carry bad connotations to many of our readers, I say that because I hate them, whilst the half moon is a more beautiful shape, therefore according to WP:policy we should take the half-moo.172.188.104.238 (talk) 08:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you give me a bad connotation from Croissants, because hating something is no reason not to include it, and point out where abouts in WP:policy it says that. Joeking16 (talk) 10:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Release date

I noticed someone added a release date of April 1, 2008 without a source. Is this confirmed by Blizzard or is it a date that was set by a retailer?

edit: literally seconds later it was changed to August 2008. I'm hoping we are not on the verge of an edit war over fake release dates. Metalhead0043 19:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

One of my guildies saw the August release date and thought it real, I had to explain that I could come here and edit the page to reflect tomorrow as a release date if I wanted.

No, but i just saw today in www.amazon.co.uk the presell of the expansion and they say that it will be out on january 18, 2008. does someone knows where does this information came from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.232.186.226 (talk) 18:17, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

I work at a GameStop, and the company has recently started taking pre-orders for the expansion and our release date is in November 2008, which seems somewhat logical I suppose. BurningAfterTheDawn 01:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

How did it gets it current spring 2008 release date? Joeking16 (talk) 12:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Sources

I don't know about many WoW news sites aside from WOW Insider and the official website. If y'all find good sources but aren't familiar with how to do citations, put the URL address or magazine info in this section so I or others can add the info into the article. Even sources for information already in the article is good, so it doesn't seem as if we're drawing all the info from one or two places. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 06:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

cover art

this is a the addresse for the cover art:

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=647156

You realize that cover art is just what they call an "unofficial mockup"? Gamestop put it together, it's in no way official.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING^(Я) 06:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I doubt it would have just that picture, but instead have a more intricate design, such as the older WoW cover arts. -Cam^T|C 03:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

oh im sorry it looks like my cover art was correct. stupid nerds cant even get it right.--24.10.15.177 06:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Is it too early to add a criticisms section?

The way Hero classes are being implemented there are plenty of criticisms that can be sighted from the gaming industry, gaming media and gaming community. It is being generally compared to the failed MMORPG SWG and there "unlockable Jedi Class" Not to mention the plethora of "Lorelol" remarks from the WoW community at large. I just think before we wake up to huge paragraphs of "Dis iz y hero claz sUxXorz" there should be a fair and balanced criticisms section.

Thoughts?

Martinj63 22:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You can't even begin to comepare the Deathknight to the old Village SWG Jedi (yes I am an ex-SWG player). They are not similar, at least not the way it is looking. From the way this is looking, we can expect to see it more as a "secret video unlock" in a Tony Hawk Skateboarding game, considering that the existing character will not become the Deathknight, and I doubt it will require the 3-8 month grind that SWG did. As for the criticism section? I think it is too early for that, also, this is the encyclopedia, not a forum. -Cam^T|C 03:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not the old Village SWG Jedi, but the Holocube Jedi? yes there seem to be many similarities, but as you said not a forum Martinj63 02:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we need one period. People will always find something to complain about, especially the jokers at the WoW forums. Maybe a "reaction to Death Knight/hero classes" subsection under the Death Knight section might have some use though. Any other criticism related to WoW should probably be on the main WoW page since this expansion pack doesn't seem to be straying far from what the previous releases are like (aside from the Hero classes). metalhead0043 205.157.110.11 17:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

A criticism section may be a little early, but I can't still get my head round the new planned Death Knight class. Alliance would never accept this class because Arthas became a Death Knight, helped destroy Dalaran by defending Kel'Thuzad who summoned Archimonde who destroyed Dalaran. So I would think that the Alliance would not accept this class because of possible traitors. As for the Horde, I can't really picture a tauren death knight (!). The only race that would probably be fit for the class would be Blood Elves, but then I'm not sure they would want Death Knights because the Death Knight Arthas destroyed Quel'Thalas. Well hey, thats my opinion. Emperor Jackal 10:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Well... you could say almost the same things about the Warlock class. But... wildie · wilđ di¢e · wilł die 10:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I had an idea. No other sources yet, so i posted it on talk, but what if the death knight will belong to a new faction, such as the scourge, and they added more hero classes, and the new PvP location will be scourge vs. everyone else! this would fit perfectly into the lore, and maybe they would develop it to be a viable faction as the alliance or the horde? **EDIT** Maybe its a splinter faction that used to be the scourge or the burning legion, but would be made up of nerubians and similar races that wanted no part of the alliance or the horde? It would make sense too, because the quest chain could be to kill Arthas, and as such the character would be one freed pf arthas's mind control. Eh? Speculation. Llewenyerg 18:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Neither is a forum.

Sorry. Try wowwiki.com - wildie · wilđ di¢e · wilł die 18:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The most recent information given from the Blizzrd staff in the WoW official Forums all say that, although considered "Hero", the Death Knight class will not be more powerful compared to the already existing ones. Of course, there will be classes it may be more useful against certain classes (Similar to, say, a Hunter vs. a Mage in 1v1), it will not be over-powered. It is simply a new class, and according to one blue poster, it is simply called 'Hero' for both the difficulty in obtaining it, and for the classes special place in lore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.183.252 (talk) 20:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Request to remove the Icecrown section?

Considering that Blizzard has not officially confirmed that the Arthas encounter will be at the Icecrown Glacier, should we have the page saying it will? I understand it is the most reasonable assumption, but from the concept art, and cinimatic involving Icecrown, it does not look like a place that could easily fit 10, 20, or 25 people, and Arthas in an "epic" fight. It is possible that the encounter is somewhere else. -Cam^T|C 03:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• I'm pretty sure I saw in one of the videos at BlizzCon that the RAID against Arthas is in fact in Icecrown Citadel. I'll find the source video and link it. However, it's also stated that he won't just appear in a raid fight, but will infact be found throughout the expansion. --Marc ^Talk 12:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Inscription

Has Blizzard given any official examples on inscription? The phrase "Pure Guess" dosent seem encyclopedic to me--- Pigmandelux

Some information was given out at Blizzcon, but from my understanding, not much. Some examples were states, such as "A knckback effect to fireballs", etc, but as I said, not a lot. -Cam^T|C 01:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay i was just wondering-Pigmandelux

Naxx?

Has this been confirmed? It's listed in the instances section as revamped but I only heard that Blizzard was considering changing this instance. Could someone find a reference? Desdinova 16:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Apparently it's just rumors for now that they will be forming Heroic versions of older raids. Just speculation for now though. -Cam^T|C 01:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a rumour. Of course it's a good idea and would be nice and stuff, but for now I've removed it until there's a viable source. --Marc ^Talk 18:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings Rise of the Witch King Connection

I it just me or is it suspicious that Wrath of the Lich King is such a similar name to Rise of the Witch King and the two games have such similar covers? Is it meant that way as a joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir Akroy (talk • contribs) 19:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

And this is Encyclopedic how?? Martinj63 03:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The cover is not even an official Blizzard creation, so you can't use that as an argument.—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 10:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to add this to the encyclopedia or make any argument, I was just commenting.Sir Akroy 01:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a place for general discussion however if the connection can be confirmed by an official source it could be an interesting bit for the pop culture references section.Rjcomputergeek 14:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't any real similarity between the names other the witch king and lich king and the lich king is already in warcraft lore also what would you prefer it be called if not wairth of the lich king" it would probably be "wraith of that guy". Joeking16 17:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

New Information found with Link Playing

Someone was screwing with the links and found this. You may want to take a look at this, it has some good info on the new dungeons. Fangz the Wolf 02:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Death Knight

Ok I have changed the information on how to get a death knight, it was posted that you need to take part in a number of quest but the correct way is you have to level a character to somewhere between 55-70, however I am edited from colleg,e and I can't get the website as it is posted on the european offical forums, which are blocked from my college, it is in one of the stickied threads in the wraith of the lich king section of the forums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeking16 17:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone messing with this entry The information about the crazy turtle form and all of the stuff about Death Knights taking Warlock abilities is a joke by someone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.233.254.6 (talk) 21:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no confirmed release date

Any date claimed in the article is pure supposition. Release dates given on various websites (such as Amazon) are up solely for the purposes of pre-ordering, which is why all these sites conflict with one another. Until the date has been confirmed by Blizzard, any date given here must be seen as speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.65.224 (talk) 02:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep absolutely right. Any date which is added without an iron-clad reliable source will be removed from the article - and plenty have been already. When Blizzard announce a release date for WotLK, it will be big news, there will be no shortage of sources. --Stormie (talk) 07:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

2008

Yes, I added a 2008 date. I can do scans of the product catalog saying "Coming 2008" if you like, but it's verifiable because anyone can go get the catalog from the chest. Also, it's been reported several times that Blizzard has said that they'll be releasing an expansion pack a year. Last one was in 2007, so no matter how you define "Year" (as far as I can think of) one's got to be released sometime in 2008. If you'd like more sources on the "once a year" thing, I can source my source if you like. If you'd like that part removed from the ref, that's also fine. McKay (talk) 06:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest removing that second thing, as even though they've said it, it's already been over a year since TBC came out. While it could be construed not quite so literally, it's a weak statement, and especially without a source link. --Izno (talk) 02:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm unsure whether any citations will be sufficient in this case. But at least separate it from the other reference. --Izno (talk) 03:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not it has been over a year isn't really an issue, as it doesn't keep them from releasing one "once a year". They could release one January 1st of one year, and the next on December 31st the following year, and even though they'd be released nearly two whole years apart, it would still count as one release per year. *boggle* WtW-Suzaku (talk) 11:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been confirmed by a Blizzard employee that the release date will be the 29th of May, 2008. I'm not really sure on how to reference things properly, but there is a link to European Blizzard Poster confirming the date here. http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305562782&pageNo=1&sid=1#2Sir Corless (talk) 09:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Seems pretty obvious that Aeus is joking in that forum post... --Stormie (talk) 04:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Azjol'Nerub

I do believe that, in an interview with Games for Windows (September 2007 issue), Azjol'Nerub was stated to be an entire "underground-outdoor zone", large enough to contain massive structures and cities, and is not simply an instance, though it will contain multiple instances. WtW-Suzaku (talk) 11:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)