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Move page

Why I can't move 'T On The Fringe' to 'T on the Fringe'? --Bornfury (Talk) 00:52, 1 March 2008 (GMT)

Wikizilla socks

it seems that two new wikizilla socks have cropped up Spentcosts (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) and TornadoADV (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) Ptgreen (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) a previous sock used by WZ was recently used for votestacking in the straw poll and was identified by CU as a sock. The suspicion surrounding these two is further reinforced by the fact that shortly after identifying the post as one by a Sp account WZ Ip addresses were used for attacks against the topic page and my talk Freepsbane (talk) 01:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

A new second WZ Ip address apeared shortly after this talk and has gone on the attack [1] Freepsbane (talk) 02:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:RSN#Tiananmen_Square_Massacre. Tyrenius (talk) 11:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Funny

Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sikorak95 (talk) 01:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello there. Do you need some help or were you just saying hello? --John (talk) 03:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Your congratulations

Thank you kindly. I am honored (but not honoured, of course) and highly amused also, as you anticipated, in a definitely surreal kind of way. I shall try to summon up the energy to have a look at the current state of the debate. Ty 00:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

IP Address 65.28.229.146

This user is continuing to vandalize my talk page. As you issued this IP his final warning, I thought I should bring this directly to your attention. Please let me know if I should report this through some other official process though. Thank you.Thrindel (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Lush band article

Hello,

On the page for the band Lush I have repeatedly added a link to my website (www.LightFromADeadStar.org), but it keeps getting removed. Please note that my website is a fan/tribute site, is completely non-commercial and non-profit, and contains no advertising. I created the site on my own without any help from any commercial entity and I am not affiliated with any commercial entity. Please let me know how I can go about adding a link to my website without it getting removed again. Thank you,

Bill Spandagos —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSpan (talk • contribs) 05:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Do have time to comment/mediate a debate

Do you have time to comment or mediate on this article conversation. User:Navnløs AKA "Blizzard Beast", an uber-troll who has been blocked for 3RR a few times already, is opening up another edit war... this time based on those pesky little flagicons. His adversary this time is a user named Neon White. There is a lot of "I know you are but what am I" going on over the little crufty decorations. Perhaps your past overview of its usage good and bad will help these two avoid the chop (although a Wiki vacation from 'the snow beast' is always a positive thing for Wikipedia :D ) 156.34.221.252 (talk) 02:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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YSL US Official Site on YSL Wiki Page.

Hello John,

The website www.yslbeautyus.com is the US official site for beauty & fragrances for YSL. There is no link to Beauty & Fragrances content on the YSL Wikipedia Page.

Moreover, in 2008, this is the 30 years anniversary of Yves Saint Laurent work on beauty and fragrances. The website is celebrating his work (link on homepage).

Is there any way we could insert it in the page (with a different anchor text perhaps) ?

Please let me know.

Best regards,

F.

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Heads up

Just a note, I, too, have had an extremely difficult time dealing with User:HDS. He tends not to respond to queries and to revert without explanation repeatedly. Chubbles (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I have been going through some of his work and bringing it into line with our style guidelines. No big deal; but it becomes a big deal when he reverts me. Let's hope he won't do it again! --John (talk) 22:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Backlog

Hi, there is a backlog at the SSP page and i was just hoping you can take a look at this case i made, [2]. Seems no one has yet looked into it, no one i have contacted has been of help, and the user has used yet another I.P. as a vandalism-only account. One of the users IPs has just vandalized multiple page again and i am seriously getting tired of having to revert all of his mess everyday. Please look into it. -- LaNicoya  •Talk•  22:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ulster Banner again

John can you have a word, Astrotrain is back edit warring on this issue, see and ti:British flags, this issue has been solved and proven and I think everyone has had enough of this by now.--Padraig (talk) 23:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I tried that

Didn't work though.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 23:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

If you're not too busy

Semi-protect the Milk Snatcher's article please. There's been three different IPs claim she's dead, but it's not confirmed yet. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess One Night In Hackney meant Margaret Thatcher. If that's the case, I've handled the protection request. Acalamari 01:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you both. --John (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome: glad to help. Acalamari 18:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:HARASS

John, I am being harrassed by Traditional unionist on my talkpage. It resulted from my removal of his addition of Unionist pov from the Dunmanway article. Could you please revert his pov change and warn him about 3RR and pov insertion. I do not want to engage myself - but this is a good test of whether the civility that some Admins have been preaching actually applies in practice. If TU isn't dealt with the choices become limited somewhat. Sarah777 (talk) 22:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I think TU has breached 3RR -

1. cur) (last) 23:35, 8 March 2008 Traditional unionist (Talk | contribs) m (9,744 bytes) (Reverted 1 edit by Sarah777; Independence granted in 1949, recognised from 1937 or 1922, not 1918. (TW)) (undo)
2. (cur) (last) 23:33, 8 March 2008 Sarah777 (Talk | contribs) (9,753 bytes) (Independance declared 1918 thus Brit was occupying army; pl DO NOT reinsert pov) (undo)
3. (cur) (last) 23:29, 8 March 2008 Traditional unionist (Talk | contribs) m (9,744 bytes) (Reverted 1 edit by Sarah777; 1918 is not independance - pov. (TW)) (undo)
4. (cur) (last) 23:27, 8 March 2008 Sarah777 (Talk | contribs) (9,753 bytes) (post 1918 election; thus fact, not pov) (undo)
5. (cur) (last) 17:51, 8 March 2008 Traditional unionist (Talk | contribs) m (9,744 bytes) (→History: pov) (undo)
6. (cur) (last) 14:57, 3 March 2008 Dppowell (Talk | contribs) (9,753 bytes) (rm unsourced statement (13 months)) (undo)Sarah777 (talk) 23:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't seen this until now. Do you still need help? --John (talk) 04:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

My suggestion on the talk page fixed things quite quickly, or so it seems. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 04:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for that. Have you ever considered becoming an admin? You do a lot of admin-type tasks, and you seem to do them well. Just a thought. --John (talk) 04:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not admin material. I'll stick to doing what I do best... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 04:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Plus I think that was made much easier due to the current Kosovo situation, as by pointing to that it was easier to show how the British view isn't really a "fact" as thought, just the oppositve of the Irish view. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 04:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

It was a very clever and telling analogy. Nice work. It takes wisdom to be able to see the many sides of a situation like that. My favourite was the Irish government sending condolences to the German embassy in Dublin on Hitler's death in 1945, I think. If you study enough history, I think you can't avoid having a somewhat jaded, the-hell-with-both-lots attitude. I think it is why I enjoy Geraghty so much (I just finished The Bullet Catchers btw, it is an excellent read). As someone said, "History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme sometimes." Let me know if you ever change your mind about adminship, and best wishes to you. --John (talk) 07:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Nah cheers anyway, I'd rather spend my time doing more constructive things. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 09:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

(deindent)No problem. See you there. --John (talk) 16:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Quack

Hey John. Since you appear to be online, could you check my WP:DUCK block of Michael Gomez Fan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) sans c/u. I don't think there can be any reasonable doubt, but a second opinion would be appreciated. Rockpocket 08:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Having looked at it, I see what you mean. Why not get a RFCU just to be on the safe side? --John (talk) 17:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I've asked User:Lar. You can never get too many eyes on these things. --John (talk) 03:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

True, see also Vinny Feeney Fan (talk · contribs), which pretty much confirms it. Rockpocket 04:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Lar concurs. --John (talk) 06:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks (and thanks, Lar). I guess he has decided that its not really worth attempting to hide his socks anymore after his dignified exit. Rockpocket 07:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Ping

Ping! Any updates, coach? Avruch ^T 01:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I was waiting for an answer at "Exercise 1; The toughest RfA question" on your page. It can be a surprisingly difficult question to answer well, so take your time and everything, but that is where many candidates will stand or fall. You can admit to anything, almost, however heinous, as long as you can show evidence of resolution and learning having taken place. Omit to mention something significant which somebody later brings up and the community's collective hackles will be raised. Have a go; in fact you could usefully start to think about all three of the RfA questions at this point. Let me know if it was more specific advice you wanted; remember you can ask us questions too. Best, --John (talk) 03:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Flagicon removal help

If you had some time, could you help me out with a problem I am having with another editor in regards to flagicon removals from biographical infoboxes?

I recently removed flagicons from Drake Hogestyn and James Scott (actor) that were reverted by User:KellyAna. I have tried to discuss the edits on User talk:KellyAna but the first active discussion was archived, the second and third discussions were deleted without a response.

I am trying to not engage in an edit war so I have yet to remove the flagicons again. I am confused as to what is the next step I should take because since Wikipedia: Request for comment, Wikipedia: Third opinion, and Wikipedia: Wikiquette alerts all seem to not exactly apply.

Thank you in advance for your help, Aspects (talk) 23:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems someone else has reverted the articles. Let me know if you need any more help. --John (talk) 01:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer. Weird that ten minutes after I left the message on your talk page, both of the articles were reverted back to back. I think I will leave a note on that editors page to be prepared for those edits to be reverted. Aspects (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

No point in tempting fate! I think something like this isn't worth edit-warring over, but I will have a word with the original editor myself I think. --John (talk) 02:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to thank you for your help. Aspects (talk) 21:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. --John (talk) 21:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Farm murders

How can I correct the obvious misconceptions on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devorah 1961 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Edward William Wynne Pendarves

I'm not sure if it's the Great Western or the London South Western that's intended - I would incline to it being the latter, but it may be best to leave it as a redlink for the time being. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

One or the other, you would think. I've undone my edit for now. --John (talk) 15:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can find - tho' a quick Google hasn't turned up anything indicative. . DuncanHill (talk) 15:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Deprecated

Even the formal Wikipedia definition says it's a computer term. Your use is faulty. KellyAna (talk) 22:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

No, it means "features that are superseded and should be avoided" as the article says. Wikipedia is a computer-based project; I imagine you used a computer of some sort to type your message to me. Best wishes, --John (talk) 22:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, id created

Hi John,

Account created as per your suggestion. I must confess I'm not really sure what benefits creating an account will give me but I've gone with your steer anyway.

Any other advice much appreciated.

Keep well, Stevie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Socheid (talk • contribs) 22:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

User:KellyAna

Hi, I'd like your advice on how to deal with KellyAna. I am hoping there is an official way to get through to her. Please advise. — TAnthony^Talk 03:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you attempt to warn her politely on her talk page? Also, can you provide diffs of her behaviours which are problematic? I certainly found her a little brusque. It may be that another admin will want to have a word with her; she has already accused me of harassing her for my prior interactions with her, so I think that will be the way to go if the situation requires it. Hope that is some help. --John (talk) 03:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've been watching her Talk page and I've reached out to another Admin who's a member of WP:SOAPS and whom I believe is a little more familiar with KellyAna in general, so perhaps that's the way to go. — TAnthony^Talk 03:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I love being challenged but I sure as HELL don't like others putting words into my mouth. T ~ I know we are working on things and this isn't about you. John, DO NOT put words into my mouth as you did. That's just immature and wrong. Everyone deserves a right to talk for themselves you speaking for me just started more than any disagreement between TAnthony and I could ever encounter. I may get mad at TAnthony, but I have never lost respect for him. I can't say that for you. KellyAna (talk) 01:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by putting words into your mouth, Kelly. Are you able to explain, ideally with diffs where you saw me doing that? If you can do that then I may be able to help you. --John (talk) 02:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Doonhamer

Hiya again John,

I am indeed a Doonhamer as you are no doubt unsurprised to hear. What's your connection with the area?

Keep well, Stevie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Socheid (talk • contribs) 15:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Your removal of flags in articles about AFVs

Hello

I believe that the flags in the infoboxes are useful as the reader can just look at the flag and doesn't even have to read the name of the country. In my opinion this improves the reading experience and allows faster and more efficient reading of the articles.

Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 18:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I disagree; to me the flags merely clutter up the infobox. I believe the infobox should be kept as clean and simple as possible. The project manual of style agrees with me too. If you feel strongly about it, it might be best to discuss there. Best wishes to you, --John (talk) 18:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Delist

Hello. I nominated an image (Image:DurbanSign1989.jpg) which you uploaded to remove its featured status. Please make comments here. Thanks, - Milk's Favorite Cookie 18:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Reverting

This guy HDS has been reverting my edits again, again and again (i have noticed that you have the same problem) looks like he can't read Template:Infobox_musical_artist. I'm sick of this, is there anything that we can do, report him to a admin maybe?--Jpkmaster (talk) 20:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, you are an administrator. :-P--Jpkmaster (talk) 20:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I passed this one to User:Lar. I'd imagine he will be getting a little break fairly soon if he carries on like this. Thanks for letting me know. --John (talk) 20:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks. By the way, he already gave me a reason of why he's continuing reverting my edits here, "page is better this way"--Jpkmaster (talk) 22:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

That's hard to argue with! I hope the user will have learned from the block when they come back. Best wishes to you, --John (talk) 22:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

That editor

As you can guess from this history and in particular this comparison it's yet another sockpuppet of User:Rms125a@hotmail.com if you feel like reblocking for longer, like indefinitely? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, I've done that. John (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. And cheers for fixing the woefully inaccurate vandalism too. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome, that was what attracted my attention in the first place. There is very seldom any good reason for an editor to edit another editor's user page. John (talk) 16:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Can you take a look at Smoysey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) please? He seems to be the author that's recently relased a book on the Balcombe Street Gang, and seems intent on not only citing his book as much as possible but also including superfluous links to his website as well. I've left a COI warning, but the link adding has continued since.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm on it. Thanks again. John (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It's a book I was planning to get myself but can't obtain for various reasons. I know another editor who's purchased a copy though, so hopefully he'll get round to expanding the Balcombe Street article to cover the whole story. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

And I don't think your diplomatic approach has worked.... :( One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

How do you mean? --John (talk) 03:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I mean this, this and this. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 03:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, I am sorry but very tired having been driving all day and visiting Monterey Bay Aquarium (fascinating place if you ever get the chance). I have warned them again. --John (talk) 03:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

MUDs

Stands for "multi-user dungeon" - I think there is an article at MUD or maybe Multi-user dungeon (I'll check for blue links after I hit save). The most popular ones still going are run by two companies, Iron Realms and Simutronics, and the most popular single one I think is www.achaea.org. Basically, its a role-playing style game run in text online. At its height Achaea had maybe 1000-1500 people logged in at peak times. The whole thing went downhill pretty fast with the advent of EverQuest and World of Warcraft. I was briefly addicted to both, but after a bit they get pretty boring. Avruch ^T 16:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Provocative statements

I replied to your rather childish provocation on Rockpocket's page. As for "losing"; (1) The Fat Lady ain't done singin' yet and (2) You have provided a magnificent hostage to fortune. Don't be countin' yer chickens yet. Sarah777 (talk) 08:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I grow tired of your childishness, Sarah. Tell someone who cares. I don't. I would repeat though that misrepresenting what someone has said (aka "lying") will even further diminish your reputation here, and is likely eventually to lead to sanctions against you, as you know already if you think about it for 10s. This conversation is over. Best wishes, John (talk) 14:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• John, did you by any chance see what I was saying to TAnthony about how to deal with this kind of behavior? Responding with name-calling isn't the way...
• Sarah, please don't edit-war on someone else's talkpage.

I am now watching this page, and both your contribs. Please lighten up. --Elonka 23:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Elonka. Sometimes though a spade really is a spade. Sarah is upset about a discussion we had a month ago, which is her prerogative. It is not her prerogative to falsely claim I said something. There is no other way of characterising her misrepresentation than by calling it what it is. If she can point to where I said that 60% was a consensus then I will be happy to revisit this. In fact, I have repeated again and again that consensus is not determined by numbers (except of course in certain special cases, which are not germane to this matter). --John (talk) 23:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand, and don't have any opinion on the consensus issue. But when I see someone who should know better, referring to another editor as "childish" and "trolling", my reaction is to turn on the sprinklers.  ;) I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong, but just make sure that you set a good example of civility, eh? Otherwise I'll move up from the sprinkler to the gardenhose...  :) Or in other words: Breathe, man, breathe! --Elonka 00:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh, are you threatening me? You're right of course, this isn't worth my getting upset about. However, by persisting in posting here with her false accusation, yet without the evidence that I said something I would never have said in a million years, she was in my opinion doing the very definition of trolling. More fool me for rising to it I suppose. I have already suggested that Sarah move on from her disappointment about something that happened a good while ago. It is worth repeating the quote I used on that occasion:

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

(From the Christian Scriptures)

Repair the evil done to you with something that is better. And lo! The enemy who did evil to you may turn into a close and true friend.

(From the Muslim Scriptures)

Perhaps if there continue to be problems, or if further education in the ways of the wiki is required, you could assist Sarah; she is a fine editor, but still has a few rough edges when it comes to dealing effectively with others. Thanks again for your input. --John (talk) 00:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmm. I do admit I am having some difficulty in finding the remarks I so clearly recall. The mind can play tricks etc. Sarah777 (talk) 01:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

(de-indent) John, yes,, looking into her stuff too, I just figured I'd start with you because you were the easier one.  :) Plus, I've been having trouble pulling up Wikipedia pages at the moment which is slowing me down.

As for quotes, my favorite along that line is:

Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more.

— Oscar Wilde

PLUR, :) --Elonka 01:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, yes, it's a safe bet that if Jesus, Muhammed and Oscar Wilde agreed on something, we can confidently say it is right. I now regard this as closed. If Sarah wants to post here on any other matter she is as welcome as she has always been, as are you. Amen. --John (talk) 17:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear John,

I must confess I was sure I read you somewhere saying that, y'know = 60%. However, as I simply cannot find it I must conclude that, once again, I am mistaken. I assure you that I'd not ever have suggested you said anything unless I really thought you did. I was, in fact a 'good faith' cock-up. It wasn't a very serious allegation per se, but of course it read rather badly when it was untrue. I will now offer up a decade of the Rosary for you. Sarah777 (talk) 21:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

That's very decent of you Sarah. As I said the last time, I have no quarrel with you (or indeed anybody). I will always defend myself robustly against that sort of thing though. Here's a tip for you, as it is very easy to make the kind of mistake you have made (I've done it myself). If you want to complain about a specific action of another editor, always find the diff and quote it. That makes things easier to investigate if you are telling someone else about it, and it acts as a safety check against misattributions etc. If you can't find the diff in the contributions it's a safe bet that it never happened. Finally let me apologise for the waspish tone I took with you; when I saw you making a false statement about me for the second time in a couple of months, and on another admin's page (again) I did wonder if you were acting in good faith. Anyway, I'm glad we have ironed things out again. Rather than saying the rosary for me (I am not a believer in the conventional sense), why not improve ten stub articles? Best wishes, --John (talk) 21:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

IUPAC

from WP:SULF:

international standard spellings should be used in all chemistry-related articles on English Wikipedia

...but nothing about non-chemistry related articles. It's hard to define a "scientific article" as such, but I doubt Blackbeard is coming under the remit of WikiProject Chemistry any time soon ;) There's an obvious guideline clash here: I doubt many people know about the WP:SULF guideline and in its current wording has limited remit, whereas WP:ENGVAR is an old part of WP:MOS which has been applied fairly rigorously for the good reason of avoiding unnecessary spelling edit wars. In chemistry articles I think there's a good case for bending the rule - just as you are allowed to change English variety if the article has a US spelling in an article on a UK theme, it makes sense to do the same in a suite of articles on chemistry. But on generalist articles, where "sulfur" appears amidst an otherwise UK-spelling article or "aluminium" on a US-spelling article, I don't think it's a useful change to make - it might be worth posting to WT:MOS to get an idea of wider opinion before it becomes an automatic change that you make, as it might be a sensitive issue. All the best, Knepflerle (talk) 17:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. When I read Physical Review Letters I expect to see sulfur, in The Times I expect sulphur and I'd expect Wikipedia to make a similar call on context. I'd also find a sentence like "the colour of the butterfly's wings was a sulfurous yellow" to be a bit odd somehow. It wouldn't surprise me if other people feel the same way and query such edits, but I could well be wrong and editors might prefer the scientific consistency - it would be interesting to see! Let me know if there's any discussion in the future. Best wishes, Knepflerle (talk) 17:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Sarah

John, you may not be aware, but Sarah was the one who resumed the discussion[3] after asking me to stop discussing it with an edit summary, "Please go away Mark", in which she also continued the discussion. If she doesn't want to discuss it further, then she should stop discussing it. I responded to her most recent post on my own talk page, and simply notified her on hers. She doesn't normally remove comments, and doing so in this case was just antagonistic. -- Mark Chovain 04:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

No, as I said I have no idea of the history leading up to this. In my experience once you start personalising things this way you are too close to the dispute and need to back off. The content issue or whatever you were arguing about will still be there tomorrow. --John (talk) 04:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Editing of celtic Football Club

John - you deleted my recent edit which was accurate and I was about to look fo - how to add source when you deleted it. This was the first time I added anything and it was factuial and I dont think controvesial. I am tehrefore at a loss to why it was deleted.

I think Wiki is great and absolutely against abuse of it in any way.

regards.

Danny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.229.9 (talk) 21:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Rapier missile kills?

Dear John, I am a Falklands War veteran and was a Rapier Missile operator in the War. I have been trying to edit to totally incorrect and insulting information about our Rapier Kills. It is in Official Regimental history that we shot down 14 enemy aircraft and possibly six further. I personally shot down Two aircraft at San Carlos and wrote about this in my book `Watching Men Burn` http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0955285453?&camp=2486&creative=8882&linkCode=wey&tag=amawid-21 I also have published on the internet the Official War diaries of the Bty and all of our kills on my web Blog http://rogue-gunner.blogspot.com/2008/01/official-regimental-record-of-t.html I am extremely angry at this misinformation and I intend writing to Anderson, Duncan, The Falklands War 1982, about his outrageous claims, he may have even got his information from a source such as this as one time it was claimed on these pages that we only managed ONE kill. I will not lay idle and watch this Bastardisation of our proud history as long as I have a breath in my body.

A McNally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.200.131 (talk • contribs)

Bring on your reliable sources and let's have a look at them. Be careful not to get blocked for WP:3RR. --John (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

There does seem to be some very confusing evidence. For example the image hosted on the blog claims the first two hits were on 23 May, which doesn't match this which claims three planes were shot down on 21 May, which is the date of the San Carlos affair. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I have several books on the conflict which I can dig out if need be, but obviously a blog is not a reliable source. --John (talk) 22:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not necessarily saying it is John. Just that if the IP editor above is Tony McNally as claimed (see here for example) then it's reasonable enough to assume he does have knowledge, and the document hosted thereon may be authentic. Ignore that. After actually looking at the article what seems to be being objected to is the counter-claim to the alleged 14 kills which are already detailed in the article. I also find it very strange that someone who has spent so much time publicly criticising the (documented) poor performance of the Rapier is intent on painting it in such a good light. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's more like it. Every written account I have seen agrees with the article that the Rapier didn't do the business in action. As we know all too well, almost everyone who ever posts here claiming to have special knowledge turns out to be unreliable in practice. Books are better. --John (talk) 23:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

If he is Tony McNally as he claims he's written a book, he's linked to it above. But he himself has claimed the Rapier was unreliable and largely useless, so I'm very confused. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 23:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

User page help

Hej John! After lurking for a couple of years, I finally decided the time had come to start contributing. I think a good place to start would be to create a nice user page, so that people will know a bit about me. Could you please direct me to a guide or tutorial on how user pages are constructed? Thanks in advance. --OldManLink (talk) 10:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I am sure that such a resource may well exist but I do not know it, sorry. --John (talk) 14:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh, if I had only spent another hour looking, I would have found it: User Page Help. Thanks for trying anyway! --OldManLink (talk) 16:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you found the answer. Best wishes and let me know if you need any other help. --John (talk) 16:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

ONiH's autoblock

Know how to remove it? I'm clueless.. I've asked at ANI, but just thought you might know. SirFozzie (talk) 18:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

He'll need to post the error message he gets so that someone can resolve it. As far as I know there is no other way. Sorry. --John (talk) 18:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Just mark it as resolved, it's going nowhere fast How's about that for an inappropriate edit summary? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's another bad mistake. Hopefully he has learned from that as it was a good while ago. I will mark it as resolved when it has been resolved. In my view it would be desirable if Tim! were to acknowledge his mistake. Of course nobody can force him to if he doesn't want to. It's worth remembering that we all make mistakes (even me!), and perhaps your edit summaries were not the best. Nowhere near deserving a block though, quite apart from the involvement issue. --John (talk) 18:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. And those edit summaries were positively tame for me! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, something like this is like a car crash; even when the other driver was more to blame than you, there was usually something you could have done to avoid the crash. A good driver learns by honest self-examination and becomes an even better driver. I'm sure you will do so, and I hope the other editor does so too. Best wishes. --John (talk) 18:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I won't compromise my principles by distorting content to suit my own views. This is what caused it. It's quite amusing that when the source (and the article) says "After a state pathologist said the wound would not have killed a healthy man, the judge concluded that he could not be satisfied that the heart attack was the result of being stabbed", it's just fine and dandy to change the wholly factual "one guard dies of a heart attack" to the blatantly misleading "one guard is stabbed and dies". I only noticed that today and amended back accordingly, yet for some reason that wasn't acceptable and this ensued. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I did investigate fully before getting involved as I always do so I had seen this. You were right on the content issue. Next time (though I hope there won't be one) consider letting an uninvolved admin know. --John (talk) 19:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, I didn't have much time! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Mistake

That was a mistaken RV. I thought I was deleting that.

Please use User talk:21655/Mistakes for future error reports. Thank'ee, Two One Six Five Five ^τ _ʃ 20:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Why?--John (talk) 05:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Because the last thing I need is a talk page cluttered with WP:TROUT slaps. Two One Six Five Five ^τ _ʃ 15:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Qwenton redux

He's still at it..... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems he stopped after SF's warning. If he so much as sneezes in your direction in future I will give him a long block, and possibly refer to AN/I towards an indef block, depending on a more detailed appraisal of his overall contributions. --John (talk) 05:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually I'm thinking now might be a good time for a detailed appraisal of his overall contributions. We'll start with this diff from 14 January where he signs a comment made by 206.113.132.130 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Now that IP's contributions (and block log!) are very interesting. The IP may be dynamic and re-assigned, however if you look at the contributions there's a re-occurring tendentious theme with racial overtones which suggest it's been static for a while at least.

• Adding a link to Jenkem to the Nation of Islam see also section for no clear reason. "Jenkem is a hallucinogenic recreational drug composed of noxious gas formed from fermented human sewage" - and I can find no reason why that's a valid see also for that article (note, redirect created to that article by Qwenton just six minutes earlier)
• Nick Griffin related edit around the same time (non-tendentious, but useful to show it's almost certainly Qwenton still)
• This and this need no explanation.
• Wow, just wow

There's plenty more if you check too. There definitely seems to be a problem here..... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. While the evidence that he is the user of that IP seems compelling, he has only edited once in the last month with it, and that edit was not problematic. I will have no compunction as I said about blocking the account, and I am leaning towards an indef now, if there are any more problems with it. Likewise I can block the IP if it starts again to edit problematically. I can't sanction an IP for edits made months ago. Hope that is some help. --John (talk) 21:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand that, I just think it's useful to put his editing into perspective more. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely, it was a useful exercise and will form the basis of an AN/I report if it becomes necessary. Of course there is always the possibility of reform, even in a case like this. --John (talk) 21:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Make that twice (and the reason for the lack of edits is in the block log....), and that looks pretty tendentious to me? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

That was a bit naughty, wasn't it? I'll keep an eye having now warned the IP. --John (talk) 21:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. And as I say based on the articles edited and the type of edits, I'm not seeing a reassigned dynamic IP. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Music Articles and Protection

After viewing the long articles that the rock bands Tool, Black Sabbath, AC/DC and Guns N' Roses I feel that all of them need to be semi-protected, so that only established users can edit them.

YaBoiKrakerz

PS:

I also think N.W.A needs to be protected as well.

YaBoiKrakerz

Having looked briefly at the histories, I'd say I disagree with you. In all the cases you mention, occasional vandalism is being reverted and the articles are being improved over time. Do you have a specific reason why you think they should be semi-protected? --John (talk) 05:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Look at DragonForce (they're an f-ing awesome band, I know, but i'm not here to talk about favorite bvands...), well DragonForce is protected and it's barely an article! Look at N.W.A, Black Sabbath, Guns N' Roses! These music profesionals have legacies behind them, DragonForce is pretty new! The least you could do is protect the N.W.A or the Black Sabbath article. It shouldn't even be an issue. YaBoiKrakerz

As I said, I don't agree that these articles need protection. See WP:PROTECT for details of when articles are and aren't considered for protection. Best wishes, --John (talk) 21:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

...Uh.... Whatever you say... YaBoiKrakerz

Crammet

I'm confused as to why you deleted the Crammet page that I created.

You put the reason as A7, which means the significance was not clear (if I'm not not mistaken). However, you marked it for a speedy deletion before I could even finish the article. How could the significance become known if the article wasn't complete yet?

Crammet Productions is a video production team on YouTube, similar to Smosh Productions. I'm not quite sure why their page is allowed to be up, but Crammet's isn't, even though they function in the same way, to spread information to other users about prominent video makers from YouTube.

Please get back to me on this, as maybe you could help me understand why it was deleted.

Thanks, Seth (talk) 04:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see WP:V. You may find it better to write a new article in a local version or in a sandbox in your user space. One small correction; I did not mark it for deletion, I merely deleted it. So at least two people thought it failed to assert significance to the degree we require. Let me know if you need any more help with this. --John (talk) 04:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Well that's where I'm having trouble understanding, John. How could they have known whether it was significant or not when the article wasn't even complete? As Smosh's page functions in the same way, why isn't that page deleted?

68.225.68.152 (talk) 04:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

As I said, it might be better to write the article in such a way as to verifiably establish the subject's notability before going live. Your concerns about another page can be best expressed on its discussion page. --John (talk) 04:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for everything, John. --Seth (talk) 04:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Let me know if you need any help in setting up a sandbox (you can start it by clicking this link in fact), or on any other matter. --John (talk) 04:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Logo vote

Thank you, John, for your comments here. I continue to be grateful for your levelheadedness and attention to the logo issue. I had thought the issue pretty much concluded, and I'm happy to say my respect for you as an admin has grown ever since the debate started. I'm very grateful for your efforts and appreciate any constructive criticism you might have to offer me, as I know I came off rather brusque (sometimes even rude) in that discussion. --IllaZilla (talk) 05:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I appreciate it. We all make mistakes from time to time, it is to be human. --John (talk) 07:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Incivility - where is the protection?

John, I have tried, and succeeded, to remain civil for some time now. The quid pro quo I expected was that there would be some sanction of those who are uncivil towards me. Since I stopped using language that could remotely be characterized as uncivil I have noticed a complete lack of any of the Admins who hounded me when I was being allegedly "uncivil". Could I draw you attentions to User:Bastun and the sequence of exchanges that resulted in him slapping a threatening "warning" on my page? Thanks. Sarah777 (talk) 23:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Sarah777

Hey. Sorry to bother you with this, but can you take a look here? Sarah777 has engaged in a personal attack there - [diff]. I placed a warning on her page [diff] - which she subsequently removed and placed on my own page - [diff]. Meantime, despite the fact that there's an ongoing AfD, she's threatening to "speedy move" the page. (The personal attack she's claiming I made apparently refers to [this edit], where I said to an anon IP editor "Repeating yourself ad infinitum isn't going to win you any arguments.") Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 23:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

You forgot Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of monarchs in the British Isles (2nd nomination) THIS link; where the conversation is peppered with accusations, breaches of WP:NPA and WP:AGF in relation to both myself and that Anon. Sarah777 (talk) 23:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Once again - supply the diffs, or retract. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 00:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

All I can offer just now is the advice that an article should not be moved during an AfD, and that all accusations of misconduct should always be accompanied with diffs or they may be ignored. why don't you both try to disengage and let other people look at this? --John (talk) 00:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

John, as Bastun started the incivility I feel he should have been warned long before matters escalated. Sarah777 (talk) 01:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Mark Bellinghaus

Saw your comment on Talk:Mark Bellinghaus and wondered if you'd seen this sockpuppetry case. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, I did see it. --John (talk) 18:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Rangers Edit

Hi Just wondering why you undid my edit on the Rangers page? I added the heading "UEFA" since the text (which i didn't change) refers only to the Rangers incidents and UEFA's actions. It is not related to the "Old Firm and Sectarianism" section above. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darich (talk • contribs) 18:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I reverted your addition because UEFA's sanctions were indeed intimately related to the matter of sectarianism and thus your change was unhelpful. --John (talk) 18:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Mark Bellinghaus

I cannot believe that you continue to participate in adding to the Mark Bellinghaus self promotion activities. First Bellinghaus was not responsible for closing the Queen Mary show. The fact is that show was scheduled to run from Nov. thru Feb and was held over to June because of the popularity of the show. The lawsuit that Bellinghaus paid for ended as a joke, Bellinghaus was fired as the expert witness and the case was dropped. Bellinghaus claimed that June DiMaggio did not become a DiMaggio until 1957 yet an article in the Hollywood Reporter dated 1949 makes reference to June DiMaggio, The Travilla collection was never shut down and in fact the show is continuing. Wikipedia is seriously damaged when you provide a stage to Mark Bellinghaus who claims that "Marilyn will someday be bigger then Jesus". Also when self created press releases by Jennifer Dickinson partner of Mark Bellinghaus are used as reference source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knoll42 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Knoll42. I suggest you take your concern to Talk:Mark Bellinghaus. If you have reliably sourced information it can be added, if there is a consensus there to add it. Likewise if there are concerns with the existing sources that can be addressed too. See you there. --John (talk) 03:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

hello

hello , sorry if i was writing A posts in its wrong places but what i writed Was right posts of right events but maype it was'nt in ther right place like al mansoura air battle ( one of The yom kippor war battles ) is not in wikipedia i tried To write it but i writed it in the page of Other battle , and about Mubarak elections post i copyd it From An famous Egyptian News paper but i dont know why you Deleted it , but its right mubarak won the elections by 96% of votes ( you must write it as a real event ) even was cheat or no but that is real event , pls send a comment for know if you read this message or no.