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British

It looks like a bot is changing Briton|British to United Kingdom|British [1] That might be OK when you are talking about some things, but when you are talking about British people it makes more sense to link then to an article about the British people rather than an article about the country. I'll undo all the ones in articles I'm interested in but I think you should liik at undoing the rest -- SteveCrook (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that Briton was moved to British people in February and they didn't update all the references -- SteveCrook (talk) 20:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much the same issue I discussed just above: it depends on the context. --Russ (talk) 20:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, the particular edit you linked to is a good example -- Pressburger was not ethnically British; he was an immigrant who became a UK citizen. --Russ (talk) 20:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
He took out British citizenship. He became British, by choice -- SteveCrook (talk) 00:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have done a lot of this, and my firm policy is that adjectives like Hungarian and British get disambiguated to the country name when used to describe a person, unless the context makes it clear that it is referring to their ethnicity (e.g., a person described as "of Hungarian descent" gets disambiguated to Hungarian people, but "Hungarian author" gets changed to "[[Hungary|Hungarian]] author". --Russ (talk) 20:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why is that your firm policy? Don't you think that a Hungarian author should be regarded as a person rather than as a country? Does the robot look at the context? I think the trouble with this one might be that a lot of them used to point to Briton when it was an article about British people. But then some genius moved that to British people, put a disambiguation page up for Briton and didn't change all the articles that used to correctly point to Briton meaning the people of Britain. By running this robot and changing them to United Kingdom we've lost the chance to correct them -- SteveCrook (talk)
It is my firm policy (which is not to say that it's an absolute rule) because my experience has taught me that when people talk about a German author, a French actress, or a British police officer, for example, they usually mean a person from that country, not a person whose ancestors came from that country. However, as I said above, it all depends on the context. Which is why I make those kinds of edits under manual control. (And I have observed that British people is a little bit different than some of the other articles; whereas Hungarian people and Germans are very explicitly about ethnic groups, the British people article is a bit more inclusive about what constitutes Britishness. But I still think Tony Blair was the [[United Kingdom|British]] prime minister, not the [[British people|British]] prime minister. --Russ (talk) 00:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's because the British Prime Minister is referring to a position which isn't itself a British person. But the British Prime Minister is a [[British people|British]] person :) Is there anywhere I can see which ones the robot changed on its last run so that I correct the ones that need to be corrected? -- SteveCrook (talk) 01:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As for your general rule, if I was to talk about Hungarian scriptwriter Emeric Pressburger then that would be describing the person so should be [[Hungarian person|Hungarian]]. But if I was to say Emeric Pressburger is a Hungarian scriptwriter then the subject is the role, not the person, so it should be [[Hungary|Hungarian]] -- SteveCrook (talk) 01:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see your 'bot has made another pass through these corrections - and is still getting most of them wrong! If it's about a person it should very nearly always link to British people, not to United Kingdom which is a country and a political entity -- SteveCrook (talk) 09:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't agree that it's "wrong"; you just have a different opinion on the subject than I do. --Russ (talk) 09:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We certainly do have a different opinion. But how can it not be wrong to link a person to a country when there's another entry for people from that country? While I was going through changing some of the ones you did in the most recent run I saw that some had already been corrected by other people, so it appears I'm not alone in my opinion. For instance, "Richard Addinsell (January 13, 1904 - November 14, 1977) was a British composer ...". Why link him to a geographic and political entity like United Kingdom when there's an entry about British people? -- SteveCrook (talk) 12:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody's stopping you from fixing the Briton links yourself. I'm sure your help would be appreciated. --Russ (talk) 12:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If only the person that moved Briton to British people had done that. It's just that your changes make them harder to find -- SteveCrook (talk) 13:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RussBot subpages

Oh... just trying to help... does it break something? Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...Well, if/when in future I set AWB to update some links (usually templates) and I don't notice these include links on RussBot pages, my apologies in advance. Looks like RussBot does some very useful maintenance, so I don't want to disrupt it. Thanks for providing it. Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • ...Sorry, but I haven't seen the large red banner you describe. Do you know if there's a way to stop AWB from editing these pages? In any case, I'd like to understand why it's a problem, as the edits made keep the pages in touch with templates whose names have changed. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just thought: I may be able to set AWB to exclude any pages with "User:RussBot" in their names. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your bot

made this change you may wish to explore why. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It's safe to say that isn't right. --Russ (talk) 01:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, friend. I wish to impose on you a request to split out more sub-reports for the Wikipedia:Templates with red links project. Since you have generated a report based on a more recent date dump, this is what I would like to see, if you have the time.

  1. The specific areas are for templates containing one of the following terms or sets of terms:
    1. Indiana (for some reason, there are a lot of Indiana-related templates)
    2. Basketball and/or NBA
    3. Road(s) and/or Highway(s)
    4. Class (these will almost always be for classes of battleships)
    5. Airline(s)
    6. Protected areas
    7. Olympic(s)
  2. Generate the lists of templates with red links including those terms from the most recent data dump.
  3. Delete templates with red links including those terms from the existing lists.

Ideally, I would like you to teach me how to do this at some point, so I can stop bothering you about these things (I will have some time available in June for that purpose). Even more ideally, I would like to set up some kind of automatic sorting, where many templates that share a common term in the name of the template would automatically be sorted to a separate page when the database dump is parsed.

Please let me know if you are able to do this. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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help on image in my article Besiyata Dishmaya

hi R'n'B,

i'm new here and would like to ask for your help.

I have uploaded an image to English Wikipedia from the Hebrew Wikipedia. Under the Hebrew Wikipedd the licence is GFDL - GNU Free Documentation License.

someone put a warrning under this image that it is going to be deleted within i think 7 days or so, unless more information is provided.

I don't understand what kind of information is needed since i have provided the link which i have taken it from and it's free to copy or else?

i just tried to guess about it and added the - GFDL - in the image - is that what they wanted? the hebrew message of the image says you must put "wikipedia Hebrew" as the creater - which i did - so what else is needed to be done?

thanX --Shevashalosh (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Italian-Irish people

Do you know why this category has been incorrectly redirected to the non-existent "Americans with Italian-Irish ethnicity"? Neither Charles Bianconi nor Freddie Scappaticci are Americans, so I am struggling to understand why a category that contains Irish-Italians who are not Americans has been changed in this way. Thank you. WYLF (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Evidence

As you directed i have had a second look at the project case and have found some startling new developments. I think you need to read the following and you will know what i mean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Ramos_dos_Santos

Note the template, it's creator and date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_Mi%C3%A9li_Venerando

Again, note the date the previous temp. and who changed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rnb&offset=20080328204625&action=history

Compare the dates at which this page was edited, note the gap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:J.delanoy

Here is the answer to all the riddles. I hope now something can be done about this parasite and i can finnaly get some rest. You owe me big time for this case R'n'B. Big time. (:

Zippycup (talk) 18:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think you are confusing me with a different user -- User:Rnb, who is not me. I have never "directed" you to do anything and I don't have any idea what you are talking about in the preceding message. --Russ (talk) 18:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I realise you may not wish to discuss said items openly but you have not been responding to my emails. I have had no

other way to contact you. I don't think the above reveals anything to those not in the game. Obviously we can discuss specific here, however i felt it important to let you know my findings ASAP. I have of course compiled a full report, which i will send to a valid email address you give me. Cheers.

Zippycup (talk) 19:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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