Talk:Haitian Vodou

Changes to Voodoo/Vodou/Vodu

I edited the article on Vodou, and split the information between two distinct articles: Voodoo and Haitian Vodou. Again. I am planing to write more on "Voodoo" in the next two weeks and will move all information related to African Vodun back to the Vodun page.

I am doing this for the following reasons:

1. Both the Talk:Vodou and Vodou page passed the suggested file size.

1. If the topics of American "Voodoo", Haitian Vodou and African Vodun are well summarized, there will be way too much information for one article.

1. Voodoo, Vodun and Vodou are distinct topics of academic research. In the past there were not many verifiable sources for information on American Voodoo, but that has changed. Each warrants its own article.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dglossop (talk • contribs) on August 20 2006.

Cleanup Summary

As is obvious, the page still needs more work, including the addition of information on Lwa/Loas, Veves, Petro/Petwo, a list of Lwas, etc.

I cleaned up some grammar/spelling issues, removed some factual errors and unreferenced assertions, removed npov violators, redundancies, and irrelevancies (descriptions of unrelated churches, etc.) I also rearranged and removed redundancies and inappropriate sites from the external links.

A lot more clean-up is necessary, particularly footnotes in the text. It's very hard for someone unfamiliar with the subject to separate fact from belief, and common belief from fringe belief.

24.130.8.66 (talk) 22:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Woa!

This article seems to say nothing of what this article on Voodoo notes. I think the information on that is quite usable, besides, that is what shows up when you search voodoo on Google. § User:Bugatti wikipedio

Someone needs to fix what Mwhs broke

...because they seem to think they're the only legitimate authority on African/"diaspora" religions and they've been pushing their POV on every article remotely relating thereto. Including this one. - ∅ (∅), 21:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreement of Terms

I'm doing some general cleanup. One of the problems is that a handful of alternative terms are used on a sort of rotation basis. That is not a good plan under the MOS. There are two choices here: either pick a single term to use for the faith system throughout the article OR create an establishing paragraph to explain why Voodoo is not Vodou is not Vodoun is not Vudu. I will be happy to do either (the latter if someone can tell me why each term is used in different circumstances).

The phrase, suppressed Vodun as well as other forms of the religion gives us another problem. Vodun are described as the God-Actors in this faith system. Either the colonialists and despots suppressed the God Actors themselves (which would have been quite a feat) or they suppressed Voodoo/Vodou/Vodoun (pick one please). 72.40.90.183 03:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC) Oops. Got logged out. Kevin/Last1in 03:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Symbol

Is this the religious symbol of Voodooism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.57.143 (talk) 00:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

voodoo is fun i know because i did a spell for money and it didnt go well gothic is better than coocoo voodoo because we can dress in black :)

Removed Contributions

I removed my contributions from the page. The content is continuously bastardized by unknowledgeable contributors for political, commercial or whatever reason. It's not my job to discern folks' motivation. However, if you are making statements that are not supported by empirical evidence, your contributions are at best nothing more than mere speculation. If I wanted to co-write fiction, I would go to that part of the project. I do not want my name associated with the games that get played here. Look for my upcoming published dissertation for a more balanced approach to the subject. This is an excellent example of why Wikipedia is on 60 minutes for publishing fiction.

Dglossop 01:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Voodoo Doll

I'm wondering if Voodoo Doll merits an article in its own right- with more of the pop-culture aspects which aren't covered in the article (Monkey Island to name one). Darien Shields 09:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Population

can we get a solid (or close to solid) number on the followers of this faith. I guess any number would have to include the majority of Hait's population, adherents to similar or derivative religions in central/south america, and the populations of Benin and Togo.

Loco (MÄR)

Ummm, I'm just wandering if you can mention how Loco, a patron of healers in the Voodoo religion, is also the name of a charatcer in the anime and manga series MÄR, and the character herself is based largely off of the Voodoo religion. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I know this has been discussed before, but it's been years and still no real improvement.

I can understand wanting separate articles for syncretistic American Voodoo in Haiti etc. vs. ancestral Voudun in West Africa - it's a bit like having separate articles for syncretistic Christianity vs. ancestral Judaism. But what we have now is two articles which cover both. Let's either merge, or have them cover separate topics - maybe with a disambig. tag at the top, "This article covers the Vodun religion of West Africa. For the related Haitian Voodoo, see 'Voodoo'." But that requires the articles be rewritten so that Vodun is covered under "Vodun", and Voodoo is covered under "Voodoo". kwami 05:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

In light of thundering indifference, I'm moving Haitian stuff to Voodoo, and African stuff to Vodou. Needs to be cleaned up, of course, but I'd rather that be handled by someone who knows more about this than me. kwami 01:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning up a little bit. It also seems there's been little coordination with Afro-American religion. kwami (talk) 09:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops, didn't notice this. See below. - ∅ (∅), 07:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Voodoo Ecommerce

Excuse me for my lack of knowledge about Wikipdedia. Long time user, but have never edited or requested a change.

I would like to request a dis-ambiguation, as there is a company called Voodoo in the UK.

I am planning to add in a page for Voodoo E-Commerce to distance it from the practise of Voodoo. Is this the right way to go about these thigs?

83.105.38.62 16:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Gordon Tebbutt83.105.38.62 16:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Wording

"It is very common for Dominicans to be very devout Christians but at the same time holding superstitions stemming from Voodoo practices [...]"

Now, this statement might be quite true, I don't know. But the wording makes it sound as if Christianity doesn't qualify for being superstition. Maybe someone could reword it to make it sound less like being written by a Christian who has to present his faith as the more rational one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.235.104.82 (talk) 19:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems that the segment about survival in the southern states repeats itself in the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. I never edited before but if someone with more experience with it could check it out that would be cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.169.40.6 (talk) 08:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirects?

I propose we move Voodoo (disambiguation) to Voodoo over the redirect, instead of redirecting the latter to Afro-American religion like it does now, since there is a disambiguation page and "voodoo" has lots of other uses. See also Talk:Voodoo (disambiguation)#Move - ∅ (∅), 06:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it might be a little touchy raising a disambig containing mainly trivia over a religion followed by millions, but then again this word really is screwy in English, and a lot of practitioners avoid it for just that reason. I suggest you go ahead and do whatever you think is best; it doesn't seem that anyone else is taking care of this stuff. kwami (talk) 09:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay. - ∅ (∅), 11:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Vodou redirects here

The 'Vodou' page redirects here, but there's a disambiguation link to 'Vodou' at the top of this page. Is there a specific page for the topics covered by the 'Vodou' page?--Jcvamp (talk) 00:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. kwami (talk) 01:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought I fixed that. - ∅ (∅), 04:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

There was another one in the 1st paragraph. kwami (talk) 06:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be one Voodoo article, linking to smaller sublets(IE vodou, new orleans voodoo, and w. african vodun) this article pulls in too much from vodun and voodoo(NOrleans). The only thing i've been able to confirm is Davis' book(Ethnobiology of Zombie) that he thinks a combo of ground up blowfish(extractung deadly narctoics) and other dangerous drugs are used in combo w/ hypnosis to create near dead zombies. No documented evidence just theories, but very grand 71.242.236.150 (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Subsectioning instead of large prose pieces

A bold user deleted the subsections in this article leaving large unattractive prose pieces. I added the subsections to the article, so that it can be maintained better. People are often not interested to read the whole text. This will increase overview of and interest in the article. Caco —Preceding comment was added at 17:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Potential Bias

Whoever wrote parts of this is obiviously very opinionated as to what constitutes true voodoo. For example in the second paragraph of the Voodoo and Spiritualism Section: "Practitioners who claim that they do not feel fatigue after every possession, or who are possessed by more than one spirit without feeling tired, are charlatans." This isn't the only example of such stances throughout the article.

I agree, i've been trying to use this article to try and get an overview of Vodou in Haiti, but it's scatterbrained at best. Someone needs to elimenate a lot of the lexicon and voodoo jargona and just have 10-15 terms throughout, there are a lot of redundancies. 71.242.236.150 (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)