Talk:Knuckles the Echidna

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I think it is worth mentioning in the article, how knuckles reacts to sonic's death in the new game. even though he is not a very emotional character, but he shows obvious distress at his death. He is also one of the happiest characters when sonic is saved. When Amy says she will save it him, Knuckles does a sort of weird heel kicking dance, and when sonic transforms, knuckles can be seen leaping into the air with glee.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.241.105 (talk) 16:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

P.S. My name is Knux fan, and i would appreciate an answer. Unsigned indeed...

Hmm... I don't know if that's notable... I played the game and didn't see it (then again, I skipped most of the cutscenes). Perhaps we could say something along the lines of "Knux is generally somewhat mysterious as to how he feels about Sonic, even getting into fights with him (usually over the Master Emerald) but he is a good friend deep down". Eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.204.255 (talk) 21:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Knuckles pic

Does anyone have a pic of Knuckles from Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)? Just wondering, cause the pic from Shadow the Hedgehog probably needs to be replaced. It seems kinda old, considering just about every other character in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) has had their new pics put up. BlackEDGE MkII 00:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

We might get one tomorrow if there's another site updateGrandMasterGalvatron 21:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

First of all, I agree that we should use his art from the new Sonic the Hedgehog, but the only place where I've seen it is at the official American site for the game.

I think just 'bout everyone has forgotten 'bout this topic. BlackEDGE MkII 21:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

There was no update that day :/ Perhaps this week?GrandMasterGalvatron 14:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This is really getting annoying. We need to update this pciture. Hello2112 23:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Just wait til the JPN site updates. Is it that hard?GrandMasterGalvatron 05:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

They probobly won't update Knuckles' picture on the JPN site until the game comes out. That's what I'm guessing, at least. Emerald__Storm 23:14, 5 December (UTC)

There. Updated today and now it's up there. Now wasn't it worth the wait? :PGrandMasterGalvatron 16:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Great job! = )Emerald__Storm 17:38, 8 December

All right, Grandmastergalvatron! DeathGodDragon EDGE 02:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Knuckles looks kind of like Sinbad in one of the photos.

Why?

So I added Sonic 3D Blast to the list of games in which Knuckles plays a minor part in the plot and it was instantly deleted! Why? He can be seen hanging around every level and he takes you to a special stage when you go up to him with 50 rings! If that doesn't count as an appearance, I don't know what does. - Davros27

Yeah I remember seeing Knuckles in that game. staceeSHAW 00:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Wait....

If the Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 game) article uses the newest Knuckles pic, then why doesn't this article use it as well? (I am the same guy who asked about the pic earlier, BlackEDGE MkII.) Aguni Dragon-OX 02:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The picture of him in Shadow should be further down the list when it appears. Also, I have a question: on the note of games, are we going to/should we elaborate as to Knuckles' role in the games? Knuckles sonic8 21:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The regular size one has yet to be released. All we have is a small version. When a normal size one is out, it will be used.GrandMasterGalvatron 22:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh, I have a question. On the Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 game) article it has a picture of all the characters. Whenever I click on Knuckles's picture, it turnes out small, but when I click on everyone elses picture they all turn out bigger. Emerald__Storm 19:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

At least we have the Sonic 2006 pic, but it seems fuzzy. Does anyone have a high res or less fuzzy pic? Aguni Dragon-OX 22:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Thats odd i've never seen a fuzzy wikipedia pic.

Ummm...

What happened to Knuckles' theme songs? Just curious. DeathGodDragon EDGE 22:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, someone put his songs up. Thanks (whoever put em up)! DeathGodDragon EDGE 23:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Detail

I mentioned this a few posts up but it never got answered: are we going to/should we elaborate as to Knuckles' role in the games? Knuckles sonic8 20:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC) the fanshrine garbage is something to delete.

Fixed. If you want to obsess creepily over Knuckles online, go set up a Knuckles Fanshrinesite or whatever you people do. 58.169.219.233 01:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wha...

Someone just frickin screwed up Knux's page!!! DeathGodDragon EDGE 02:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

And now it's back to its pathetic, nerdy glory. Or is it? 58.169.219.233 04:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

What's that supposed to mean? DeathGodDragon EDGE 22:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Fleetway Storyline

I think there's room for major improvement under that heading. I know nothing about Knuckles, so I can't really help, but I would suggest focusing on facts relevant to "the modern day Knuckles" rather than on nuances of history. Certainly, it would be good to remove most of the analysis and interpretation. This is not some sort of "OMG ASPERGER'S THIS PAGE IS SO DAMN LONG" comment. Actually, it's just that any page reads much better when it's to-the-point and doesn't daze the reader with randomness. Long rambling text blocks often get skipped over, or skimmed with little comprehension. --GenkiNeko 16:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion. Perhaps, given the length of this section, the segmet in question ought to be switched to it's own page. If Archie Knuckles gets a page of its own, perhaps that alone merits doing the same for STC Knuckles. It could make the pages more manageable. Captain Smeg 18:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles the Ninja Echidna

I just have to ask. What wide variety of martial arts is this most capable creature skilled in? --GenkiNeko 16:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Judging from his gloves, I would think it was a form of freestyle boxing. Either way, he's definately been shown to have the most experience in fighting with his hands. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.62.65.92 (talk) 21:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

On the history of the earth I never saw Mike Tyson ,or Muhammad Ali with spikes on their gloves That would be because it would be illiegal in stage boxing. They're kinda like knuckledusters.

Knux never was trained in any martial art, but they way he fights could be based from boxing. The only time he was ever trained in any martial arts was in the Kunckles the Echidna prototype comic were he was trained in a fighting style by monkey khan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.76.19 (talk) 01:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

You idiots, you're all dead wrong, haha! If you listen to all the awful hip-hop crap they play for Knux in Sonic Adventure 1&2 you can clearly see his style is ghetto-hip-trash-masta-em'rald styllleee.... boooiiiii....!143.92.1.121 (talk) 06:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

LMFAO!! 121.44.209.140 (talk) 10:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Knuckles;s owen game?

There's a rumor going around that a game called Knuckles's The Enchidna is going to be released on the Playstation 3 any one else herd this rumor.Themasterofwiki 22:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Not going to happen. I highly, highly doubt it. Where did you hear this rumor from, anyway? Seriously, if that happens, I think people would be pissed more than anything else--considering how Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog turned out. I'll keep my eye out for it, anyway, but I doubt it will occur. Heh, TSS announced a Knuckles game for DS, once. It was a hoax, though, of course, made for April Fool's Day. --Ultima 20:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC) i've never heard of TSS I doubt this is gonna be a real game. Where did you hear this on, a forum? DeathGodDragon EDGE 21:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I read it in Game Informer magizene that a Knuckles The Enchidna game had been annouced by Sega on November 29 for the Playstation 3 the game is currently in the works the plot is about Knuckles figuring out the past of the echindna's it is rumored to be released around early 2008.Themasterofwiki 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC) I subscribed thru EB Games for Game Informer and I never read that. I'll keep an eye out for any info too. Emerald__Storm 19:07, 15 December (UTC)

I'm in doubt, but I'll keep my eyes and ears open as well. DeathGodDragon EDGE 21:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

He's lying, it's not in any Game Informers I've read, and I've got the past EIGHT issues. Finally, a use for that Magazine. -Chao9999 03:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well guess it's a fake then.Themasterofwiki 18:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Masterofwiki, you might want to take some grammar and spelling lessons. I've fixed your mistakes here, but I should warn you that not only will I probably not assist you like this again in the future, I'll probably laugh at you and/or refuse to take you seriously. --Luigifan 16:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I know you mean well, but don't edit other people's comments, even if it's to make spelling changes. I've reverted them back. -- RattleMan 17:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Should we mention that Knuckles was originally going to be green? I cant remember where I read it but I'll see if I can find it. I swear I remember some info on Knuckles character originally going to be green. Though I was probably dreaming it. But...oh well. staceeSHAW 00:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC) That probably later turned into the character Tikal

You weren't dreaming, I read it somewhere too. Yeech, green Knuckles? That's a strange image...reminds me of Chaos Knuckles from the StH comic series from Archie. Cheeze Master 00:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Cheeze Master

Anyone Notice That...

Even though it says Knux is taller than Sonic, in more recent games (06, Heroes), Knux is shorter than Sonic? ChromeWulf ZX 02:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. In Heroes Knux was standing behind Sonic, which was why he looked shorter. I'm still undeceided about 06, though. ChromeWulf ZX 03:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Could he be slouching?Wolly da wanderer 01:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Is Knuckles an antagonist?

I thought that Knuckles was the main antagonist to Sonic.

Not Since Sonic and Knuckles apparently... he's now more like just a friendly rival. --Zikar 02:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles wasn't ever really an antagonist, just an anti-hero. Since becoming friends with Sonic, he has become a rival..although he appears to have descended into the realm of the sidekick. User:Denjo

Nah, Knux was just misguided by Eggman. Him and Sonic are friendly rivals. ChromeWulf ZX 22:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC) I Agree

Family

I respectfully request that people stop putting up information on Knuckles' family from Archie. That stuff is covered in Knuckles the Echidna (Archie character). Athair is the only relative of Knuckles who should be listed in this article. That is all. User:Denjo

Why not merge this article with Archie? It might help cleanup the archie article and force new discussion about the character!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

VANDALISM ALERT!!

SOMEONE KEEPS DELETING THE LINKS FROM RELATIONSHIPS. I JUST WANNA LET HIM KNOW THAT HE WILL BE BANNED FROM EVEN READING THE SITE! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tommy55 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Oh my...you're gonna ban me for deleting your pointless listcruft? I'd like to see that happen XDGrandMasterGalvatron 16:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

No fighting ladysSonicrules2 00:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Sonicrules2

• sigh* When a man is wrong, and won't admit it, he always gets angry. That seems to be exactly what's going on here. --Luigifan 02:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

We've got a natural Knuckles the Echidna here (Tommy55) Cheeze Master 01:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)Cheeze Master

XD LOL LMAO 121.44.209.140 (talk) 10:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Relevance of section

Actually, this is an issue I have with ALL of the Sonic articles, I'm just using Knuckles as my scapegoat because it's convenient at this time. (READ: I was in his article)

About the "relationships" sections: honestly, who the hell cares? Why is it important that the love life of said fictional character be documented anywhere outside of an official series website, an in-universe Sonic Wiki, or a fansite? Again, I'm not just picking on Knuckles, I got this issue with everyone (though admittedly, Sonic's is documented the best). The Rouge battles got me thinking that the entire staple of Sonic Character articles is majorly fancrufty...including Sonic's. (though once again, his is less notable). I think all of the character articles are in need of some major retooling..especially Sonic's, which is ridiculously long and could do with being split up into several articles.

As far as this site goes, more focus should be put on the characters' relevance to the media overall. The super transformation article is a prime example of how this can be done, even with its structural faults). It's very much to the point about the feature, and the various gameplay niggles associated with it. As per wiki standards, there needs to be less of writing like the characters are real. The point needs to be driven home that these are fictional characters as opposed to actual creatures. Game characters need to have their relevance to the games they're in highlighted, and cartoon characters should focus on their role in the series overall. The lengthier articles should go to characters who appear in both forms, but not enough to warrant splitting like Sonic, Knuckles and the super modes.

As the first step towards this, I think the whole relationships deal has got to go. It's been nothing but a breeding ground for shippers.

I want to discuss all of this here if possible, and gather other opinions on it.

That said, there really needs to be an in-universe Sonic Wiki.GrandMasterGalvatron 00:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

A Sonic Wiki would probably be the best way to shorten the articles of fancruft, yes... Hell, we could probably remove entire articles such as Little Planet or Mystic Ruins from Wikipedia then. Gurko 08:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE LISTEN UP! I got it, and I won't break any rules, I swear. But please, make the text visible, OK? I am the hugest lover of the KNUXRouge couple in the entire universe, and it means a lot to me. Thank you very much!!!!!!!!! Tommy55 I BEG YOU WITH ALL MY HEART!!!!! PLEASE MAKE THE TEXT VISIBLE!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!! I DODN'T KNOW THAT IT IS RULE-BREAKING, CUZ I DIDN'T READ YOUR MESSAGES UNTIL TODAY! PLEASE !!! I BEG U!!!!!!!!!

That is exactly why it must go. It's breeding ground for couple shippers. Just because you like Knuckles/Rouge doesn't make it an actual couple. To give you an example of the effects your edits have on others, I like Shadow/Rouge, and Knuckles/Julie-Su. Do you think taking out Shadow's section like you have done would please someone like me? Especially when the latter has become way more prominent than the former. The section as a whole is relevant to only a small minority of people and would be seen as trivial to most. Unless you could provide a valid reason why the love lives of these characters is worth documenting in a general knowledge encyclopedia, then it's got to go.

Also, I'd recommend starting a Knuckles/Rouge fansite, or joining a deviantArt club :)GrandMasterGalvatron 22:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

PLEAS READ THIS!!!! here is my reason: It is isn't just fan-stuff. I can understand you, and please excuse me. But it IS a relationship! We can't just delete the whole section! If it would be just fan-stuff, I would totally agree with you. But is has been officially confirmed by Sega, that Rouge has a crush on him! Really! It isn't nonsense! Please look at sonic Channel, 4kids tv, or sonic Central! I beg you, please make it visible! It IS official!!! PLEASE! And sorry for breaking-rules, I didn't know that I did so. Please! Please!!!IT ISN'T JUST SPECULATION!!! I BEG YOU!!!

I already joined that deviantart group :P

Having a crush doesn't make a romantic relationship. A romantic relationship would involve two parties who both have feelings toward each other. Officially, Knuckles's feelings towards Rouge are unknown. You can interpret what happens in the games all you want, but it's been left very ambiguous. That means that saying that he likes her is speculation at most. Something I'd personally like to know are your reasons for deleting the entire sections on Shadow and Rouge's connection or whatever.

Now the thing is, I'm against the section as a whole, regardless of the characters involved. It just doesn't seem that important to be somehwere like here.GrandMasterGalvatron 16:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LEAVING THE TEXT UP! I AM EXTREMELY GRATEFUL!!! THANK YOU! I OWE YOU! I WON'T FORGET THIS!!!!!!!! THANK YOU AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excuse me, but I did not restore the text...and I've hidden it again, this is far from over. Also you haven't told me why you've been blanking the data on Shadow.GrandMasterGalvatron 18:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

HELLO! I see. I can't tell you anything but I beg you. And I deleted the section because it was annoying that some people modify or delete TRUE things from KNUCKLES' section, so it was some kind of revenge. SORRY!!!! I won't break any rules, I swear!!! How can I make you understand? ( this sounds like Tikal in Adventure...:P) So, please!!!! Tommy

It IS OFFICIAL and TRUE. It ISN'T just speculation. It isn't just present in sonic X: sonic Central and sonic Channel (which are related to the games) ALSO mention Rouge's feelings, not only the anime. And we should keep it even if only the anime would mention it, but the games mention it too, so we can't just delete the whole stuff!!!!

NO. Knuckles doesn't like Rouge that way. AT ALL. The section as a whole is nothing but a breeding ground for fanboys and shippers, and you've shown that so well. Also, quit deleting things about Shadow! Lastly, Knuckles is number THREE in the character list. Not 1st, but THIRD. Shadow is first, and Metal Sonic is second. Why don't you take a moment to look at the reference cited. No amount of fanboyism on your part is going to change that, and it won't change what lies between Shadow and Rouge. Stop deleting it just because you don't like it. Rouge and Knuckles have a rivalry and nothing more. That's been made evident ever since Heroes. Also, Sonic Rivals has made it evident that whatever the feelings are between Shadow and Rouge (we still don't know the extent) are mutual. The dead giveaway to that being that he said the Rouge card (which had her imprisoned) was his. That's OFFICIAL and TRUE (as you like to say).

If you want this section to stay, you've got to convince me that it would actually matter to anyone not a Sonic fan. The common GTA player doesn't give a slag about Knuckles's love life. As such, it doesn't need to be on this general knowledge encyclopedia.

Actually, think about that. Would you expect to open a copy of the Encyclopedia Britannica and find things about Knuckles and Rouge? Hell, do you even expect to find Knuckles in there? That's how much it doesn't matter. If this were a Sonic wiki, then it'd be all good. Actually, there IS a Sonic Wiki now that I think of it, it's called Sonic Retro. Go on and find it, and post all this stuff there.GrandMasterGalvatron 22:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, heres my two cents. Regardless if Knux like Rouge or not, relashinships are an important thing to know about a person if you really want to know about that person and/or charecter. And, correct me if im wrong, thats what wiki's for correct? But heres where your wrong. You say that these articles are just for common knowledge about the charecter right? Well this does qualify as common knowledge for it not only covers Knuxes love life, but his relationships with all charecters. Like it talks about his common rivalry with Sonic also. But if it said "Kuckles possible love intrests" then you would be right. But it merly states his feelings for charecters that have taken part in his storyline. Theres no real fanboyism taken part in that section. And it IS true that Rouge likes Kunx just that he dosent feel the same. So there you go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.76.19 (talk) 06:47, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Age

Knuckles was originally 15 years old when he made his debut in Sonic the Hedgehog 3, and was changed to age 16 in Sonic Adventure. --PJ Pete

He got older.Simple. to5to

No, it's called a retcon. Sonic switched ages with Knux. Amy went from 8 to 14. Need I say more? ChromeWulf ZX 22:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. That might have been a bit harsh. ChromeWulf ZX 22:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute, isn't Amy 12? 09:39 29 June 2007

Heh, my bad. I meant to put 12. Yes, Amy is 12, that was a typo on my part. ChromeWulf ZX 22:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles ain't 16 anymore! hes 18 now! all grown up! 08:16 11 Aug 2007--71.176.48.233 12:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)Jalil

What is your source for this? Fictional characters do not necessarily age according to the real life passage of time. Recent instruction manuals' bios and the Sonic Channel bio for Knuckles say he is 16. Cigraphix 13:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

That was just a typo! Knuckles is 18! IM SICK OF CORRECTING THIS!

What typo? Are you saying that every bio, in numerous manuals and also Sonic Channel, has had the same exact typo? These characters do not age. Bart Simpson has stayed the same 10 year old kid for just short of 20 years. So how is a 10 year old kid also almost 20 years old? He doesn't age. The only way these characters change their age is if it is changed by Sonic Team. So where does Sonic Team say their ages changed to what you say they are now? Cigraphix 05:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles is 16 on Sonic Channel TV Series and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle debut. He is now 18 on the Sonic Adventure TV Series! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.13.196 (talk) 14:50, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

What Sonic Channel TV series? What Sonic Adventure TV series? Sonic Channel is a website [1]. The only TV series to be based on Sonic Adventure is Sonic X (and is offically endorsed by Sega/Sonic Team despite being seperate from the games). Sonic X and Sonic Team's games have all said 16. Fan made fiction is not a source, only material from Sega and Sonic Team is. Stop changing the ages of the characters to something that disagrees with Sonic Channel and the offical Sonic games. Cigraphix 22:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Damn you were a jerk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.76.19 (talk) 21:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

im changing it back to 16., DONT BLOCK ME! ive been blocked 2 times. Will you guy

I think he was saying that since the Sonic Heroes guide said Knux was 16, he's saying that in real life he'd be 18. Cheeze Master 00:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Cheeze Master

Real life?! Wha....? There is no "real life"! The Sonic characters will remain their current ages (no Knux is not 18, he's 16) unless Sonic Team decides to do another retcon. ChromeWulf ZX 02:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

He obviously meant knuckles age from his first apperance to now. Because sonic Heroes came out 2 years ago, that would mean that knux is 18 in this "real life" thing of his —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.76.19 (talk) 21:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Cant they do another retcon now?--71.176.55.89 14:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Who knows? But they decide to do so (which could happen in the blink of the eye), every legit fact that we know will stay the same. ChromeWulf ZX 23:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm now thoroughly confused... @_@; 59.167.201.113 (talk) 08:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think Knuckles age should be based on the most current video game that is produced, which to put it simply is age 18, unless someone can prove me wrong?Wiki Curse (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Tense

Plot should be written in present tense. I'll edit it if and when I get the chance. Paul Haymon 05:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

But, shouldn't stuff that happened in the past be written in past tense? --Luigifan 11:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Not according to standard plot guidelines. Although consistency is what's most important, in my opinion. Present tense is the standard for plotlines. You can edit it if you like... it will probably take me a while to get to it, if I ever do. Paul Haymon 00:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Emerald Jumble

About the Sonic the Comic Section, if it was the strip I think it is, it went something like this: Knuckles: Before you destroy us all, there's something I'd like you to see. Robotnik: The Grey Emerald!? I thought you said it was destroyed! Knuckles: I lied, sorry about that. As you know, the Grey Emerald controls all the others.

The Grey Emerald served as the Master Emerald before the latter was introduced.

Sam 18:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sonic vs Knuckles

Their rivalry hasn't been played up as much in recent times. It still exists as evidenced in Battle and Rivals, but it doesn't seem as bad as it was in Adventure 1. And since other rivals (like Eggman and Shadow) do not have similar sections, why doesn't this section get merged into the character interactions section? Cigraphix 18:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

That's probably because their rivalry (for the most part) has subdued into friendship. ChromeWulf ZX 01:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

And is mostly in Sonic X rather than the games.--Neofcon 14:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Scott Drier

$Insertformulahere$ What happened to the article on Scott Drier?

Eh? Hey mate are you sure your in the right talk page. This about Kunckles the Echindna.Wolly da wanderer 03:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

He's on the right page. Dreier was Knuckles's former VA. Apparently he wasn't notable enough by Wiki standards to merit inclusion. Tis a shame, he's a great singer.GrandMasterGalvatron 05:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Ohh... Sorry about that I didn't know (slaps hand on forehead).Wolly da wanderer 00:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, yet they manage to keep William Conkery (I think that's right :D) and Conner Brigas (I'm not sure about this one either :P), two of Tails' previous VAs who we know even less about... ChromeWulf ZX 02:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think those articles could get deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.187.123 (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I doubt voice actor information shouldn't be included, at least in their own pages.--Neofcon (talk) 17:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Think about knuckles super form

every body knows sonic heros the game right. on the part where Sonic goes super with Tails and Knuckles, why Knuckles super form didn't look like pink like always. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allen jackson (talk • contribs) 20:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Tails didn't flash white like he did on genesis. Nor did he have the awesome flickies. --Neofcon 22:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles was never pink anyways, just red with an aura. The new look is most likely a design retcon or something.GrandMasterGalvatron 19:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

bro, knuckles is hot pink when he transform. look it up on wikipedia. type in super knuckles/hyper knuckles for your information. Allen Jackson

It says he's red with a pink/yellow aura. Maybe you should read the page sometime. :PGrandMasterGalvatron 10:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

yes, i agree with allen, knuckles even knows how to do chaos control. from joe hewitt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.213.97 (talk) 20:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Joe....What in god's name are you smoking?--Neofcon 03:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Tell you what nice guy, im just telling you what knuckles can do. now, if you can tell me that knuckles cant do chaos control, prove it.from joe hewitt

Tell you what nice dude, you list all the games where Super Knuckles can perform Chaos Control and i'll buy it. Also note he only appears in a total of two games--Neofcon 20:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Tell yooou what dude, it is possible that he can use the choas control. because, it says in knuckles article he is a living chaos emeralds. oh, give me some time to look up those games you ask me about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.213.98 (talk) 20:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

That gives me a good excuse to edit that out, because it's not at all true.

EDIT: Even better, it's nowhere IN the article! :P --Neofcon 23:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Grandmastergalvatron... I here what you saying. but if you played Knuckles&sonic2 then you would have known that knuckles's superform is hot pink not with a aura. oh, in for your information, if knuckles form has a aura than sonic team change it to that.Allen jackson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.213.98 (talk) 20:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I did play that game thank you very much. I also played S3K where he looks the exact same. In the one official image of him in the game, he is red with a pink aura.GrandMasterGalvatron (talk) 03:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Grandmastergalvatronn is right, when you beat S3&K, in the save area, if we complete with only the 7 Chaos Emeralds, the Ending Save screen features an image of Super Knuckles, where he is red with a pink aura. User:Super Knuckles 7:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

KNUCKLES SUPERFORM IS HOT PINK YALL JUST DON’T WANT HIM TO BE. IF THERES AWAY THEN, LOOKS UPS HIS YEAR 2004 OR 05 ARTICLE. if not, Then I’m going find another way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.213.97 (talk) 20:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The key words in that last statement being 2004 or 2005. Knuckles in his super form is red with a pink aura. There's evidence everywhere. Just check the frickin' Super Transformation article if you want proof. Jeez, get your facts straight... ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

If Super Knuckles was really pink in his first incarnation, then the article would say so. However, this is about the GAMES. He's only pink in the COMICS (And even that might get retconned).GrandMasterGalvatron (talk) 12:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

You all is wrong, the only reason why you saying knuckles has a aura is because of sonic heroes. if it wasnt for that game nobody will be saying knuckles has a aura. And for your information, i printed knuckles wiki article while back in 2006 in i still have, and it does not go by knuckles having a aura. you just want him to have one. you need to quit trying to change his aticle. you dont own knuckles so leave him like he was created Grandmastergalvatron. yes, i know you have been changing knuckles article cause i read your background. you not the only one who like knuckles as favorite character. oh yeah, for proof that knuckles is hot pink when he transform, ask sonic team, the ones who made the game. they will tell you all the evidence......SUPER KNUCKLES IS HOT PINK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.213.99 (talk) 20:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Heh, you should follow your own advice. Ask Sonic Team yourself. It's a common misconception that Super Knuckles is hot pink (believe me, I thought that at first myself), just like the misconception that Tails turns an even brighter shade of yellow. But it's just their auras. If that was the case, then why isn't Knux's Super form sprite solely hot pink? Because he's not hot pink! His aura flashes hot pink. When Knux goes super, his aura flashes on and off, so Knux looks like he goes back and forth from red to pink, but he really isn't pink. If his fur did turn pink he would never flash pink and revert to red before flashing again. He'd just be pink, just like how Super Sonic's fur is yellow.

Yes, we don't own Knuckles; no one but Sonic Team and Sega do. You need to quit trying to change the article. The fact is that Knuckles has an aura in his Super form (or at least the version we're talking about) and you can't accept that when proof is clearly in your face. ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

ZX is right. If Super Knuckles were hot pink, then the image on the save screen would not be RED. I too used to think he was pink, but that was because of the comics. Again, like ZX said, if he were pink (and Tails were yellow), they would NOT revert back to their normal colors while in their Super States. You can print all the sprite sheets and old articles you want, it doesn't change the fact that it is what it is.GrandMasterGalvatron (talk) 01:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Citation

Now what exactly needs to be cited for "additional verification"? The sources are plain enough. This seems to me a question of WP:When to Cite; particularly, there appears to be a concerted effort by some on the encyclopedia to "game the system" by requesting a cite for everything, even single sentences, [i]whether or not[/i] the requester is familiar with the material. (this is a violation of WP:When to Cite.)

So to say, it is not the burden of the editor to offer cites for every single detail mentioned in the wiki, as is explicitly stated in WP:When to Cite. Such an endevor would be waste of time.

Four sources is enough. No one else seems to have a problem with the article's sourcing, except for this (growing) oligarchic movement. I advise that the verification tag be removed; or at least, that the people in support of the tag/further citations offer specific rationale of their own for questioning the content. Tcaudilllg (talk) 04:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles has no relationship with Shadow the Hedgehog

Combatmaster, there's hardly any proof that knuckles and shadow any kind of relationship with each other. There's a huge lack of in-game proof and the ONE instance of them fighting in Sonic X does not prove anything as Knuckles was only trying to save someone else. It doesn't mean "intense rivalry". Him being a helper in Shadow the Hedgehog is a gameplay element and does not explain their relationship at all considering that ALL characters treat him with the same level of respect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neofcon (talk • contribs) 13:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Sonic City

I am skeptical about why they would prefer to put fan input into their character descriptions. Some portions, like "Sonic's creators, programmer Yuji Naka and designer Naoto Ohshima, were rocketed to stardom along with SEGA as a company and none have looked back since."leave me to believe it's more "fan input" than usual because most official sites don't list background information as "character concept and creation" info. And for one thing, Knuckles never earned a reputation to being a "strongest sonic character" (especially for having knuckles the size of doritos) there's the account of shadow, big, and other such characters who's strengths are practically equal, and it's mainly lifting strength rather than the amount of power they have in one punch (and I dont recall any evidence of him lifting objects times his own size.) Plus there's this tid bit "The ongoing conflict between Knuckles and Sonic in games, comics and TV shows has led to some of the most clichéd scenes of the series, in which their petty bickering quickly turns to fisticuffs. Fortunately for their friendship, they are always interrupted (thus it is never revealed which is the more powerful of the two). If they WORK for sega and know at least anything about what sonic team has done for the franchise, then why would they say "it is never revealed" when they can EASILY reveal it themselves?." Along with the information about Blaze the cat seems like they have no clue as to what they are talking about. For the most part, they dont explain whether or not Blaze is from the future or another dimension and sounds as if they made educated guesses about her being queen to princess then shift to friends/not friends with Silver. It's hardly plausible. Then this "Though Tails is a male character, there have always been rumours among fans that he is in fact female." There hasn't been a single rumor like that.--Neofcon (talk) 18:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I was going to bring this up but you beat me to it: Sonic City's bios are a little odd. It seems more like they were either written by a fan or someone who went to Wikipedia and the fan forums for info than like they came from official Sonic Team info. That "Tails is a girl" rumor (which has been posted – and deleted - several times on Tails's page is not something that really promotes the character, the Sonic series, or Sega in particular, in any way. Normally I say that the absolute best sources are from Sega, but this is making me question that. Perhaps Sega of Europe is that far removed from Sonic Team that they are out of the loop - I don't know. (But your arguement about Knuckles's strength has holes since he has shown strength to lift things several times his size - in SA2 Meteor Herd, he smashes around massive rocks that are numerous times his size like he was in a home run derby; and in Battle he pulls a rock out of the ground twice his size in one special attack --actually it's Shadow that has never shown strength on par with any power character - overturning trucks 'with effort' is not the same as lifting them above his head) Cigraphix (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

He's punching meteors, not lifting them (though it is a gameplay element, along with him pulling boulders out of the ground so I hardly doubt thats official) but yeah, Europe isn't really trying to provide factual info we don't already know and seems reliant on fan input for everything (they actually list cheats on video games as "trivia" for god knows what.)--Neofcon (talk) 01:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Moved topic to Talk:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character) for greater discussion. Cigraphix (talk) 22:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles Strength

ok, there's an issue going with describing his strength in the section. His lifting strength hasn't really been described in any form of media and the notion of him being the strongest character physically is not true in the slightest.--Neofcon 20:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the difference between punching meteors (continuing what was said above in Sonic City section) and lifting them when the punch accomplishes the same purpose as throwing? He needs the muscle power to move those meteors and send them flying into the air several times his own body length (and into those blue box things to open them). The sheer distance he sends them flying is notable since they are obviously not moving by rolling or something like that. Also saying that Knuckles pulling a boulder out of the ground in Sonic Battle is just a gamplay element and not canon is also admiting that Shadow's overturning large trucks is also a similar gameplay element, since it has only appeared once and has gone unmentioned since (compared to Knuckles being consistantly described by offical sources as having powerful strength). I remember an offical source describing Knuckles strength as being equal to Sonic's speed, I think it was Sega's Sonic Adventure 2 website (originally located here: http://www.sega.com/sega/game/sonic2_launch.jhtml#) but that site is dead and the Internet Archives didn't save the flash elements that it was made of, so I'm still looking. As for the overall 'strongest character', you are correct that until a decision is reached on Sonic City, anything on the site shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. Cigraphix 02:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The difference is he's punching them and not "throwing" them. There's a difference in the strength of a punch and the strength to lift objects times your own size. For example, take a simple boxing match, where one boxer's punch is lethal enough to take out a person or knock them out cold. The velocity of the thrown punch times his own natural strength adds more power to the punch leading to a hard blow to the body. Lifting strength requires your own natural strength. And yes, both instances of characters lifting objects larger than their own sizes has occured once in order for gameplay boundries to be set. Many of Cream's attacks in Sonic Battle has her chao performing elemental attacks (tornado spins) and this was only featured in Sonic Battle and nothing else. The same goes for Tails's Arm cannon appearing and disappearing on the fly and the springy boxing gloves. Not to mention sonic's ability to fling shockwaves. So no I don't count that game's credibility to natural character abilities (along with that game being made by THQ as well). Gameplay elements dont equal character abilities in terms of what they have in accordence to what technical system is set for them to require those abilities. Such as (like you said) shadow lifting buses. --Neofcon 21:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)We can't have different standards in the characters, so, if you feel that strongly about such gameplay elements, by all means take that arguement to Shadow's page and try to get his 'impressive strength' thing in his abilities section deleted. If Shadow can get his 'impressive strength' listed on a single gamplay element, then Knuckles should get his listed as well. Cigraphix 04:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Who the hell listed that?

In that case, we got a deal.--Neofcon 14:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I read somewhere that knuckles is as strong as Sonic is fast. If that's true then surely Knuckles strongest character in the series. 81.98.227.10 (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles is likely said to be the strongest because of counting his Super State. He was already stronger than Super Sonic anyways, so adding the Emeralds' power just seals the deal. Not only that, but now the official Sonic City website says so. Call it into question all you want, but Wiki does prefer official sites as a main source.GrandMasterGalvatron (talk) 12:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

If he was the strongest, then why he cant beat sonic, why do have to be so stupid Grandmastergalvatron. sonic and knuckles is even match. it doesnt matter about strenght or speed,face the facts dumbo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.213.99 (talk) 20:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The mighty don't always have the battle and the swift don't always have the race. There are plenty of reason why Sonic, even though he is the weaker of the two, always comes out on top. Your "facts" sound like biased opinions there, mate. Also, the name calling was totally unnecessary.GrandMasterGalvatron (talk) 01:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Just out of random curiousty, how many pictures can be allowed on this article? Because I was just thinking that someone should create a photo record of how knuckles has changed in the video Games, Comics, and cartoons!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Concept And Creation

I've noticed Knuckles lacks this. Without such a thing eventually Knuckles will be nominated for merging, so some research might be in order Balladofwindfishes (talk) 01:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I dont see why it should not be merged with other knuckless materials. It makes no sense that two knuckles articles should exist!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup complete

I just finished touching up and updating the entire article in order to help it meet standards for the Sega Project. If there's anyhting I have overlooked, please let me know. (Indigo Rush 13:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC))

You've done good in my opinion, but I was wondering what you thought about merging this article with its counterpart from the comic point of view?Wiki Curse (talk) 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Marauders and emeralds

I simply removed the statement that they stole the 6 chaos emeralds as it reads that the emeralds are missing but, sounds like speculation to say that the Marauders are responsible. 75.138.193.222 (talk) 00:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC) Soniccuz

Keep up the good work!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Refrence tags

Does anybody realize in the "Notes and Reference" section that there is an error on the first citation that says

"Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named jp_profile"?

I don't have much knowledge in adveanced wikimarkup, so can someone fix that? PrestonH 04:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

To answer your question I have noticed and will make the changes as soon as possible.Wiki Curse (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Knux's Ability to sense stuff....

...Could it be a reference to electroreception, an ability that monotremes(The sub-order that echidnas belong to) have that works similar to Knux's special sense? Let's not forget that it's not only used to sense chaos energy. He used it in Sonic Adventure 2 to sense the keys to the Death Chamber as well. (As for Rouge, bats use echo-location to find stuff). So, do you think this should be somewhere in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparx-1 (talk • contribs) 07:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Although you do raise an interesting point lets try to stick with the fact that he has the ability and not why he has the ability!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Merging Knuckles the Echidna (comic character) with Knuckles the Echidna

Check discusion in Talk:Knuckles the Echidna (comic character). Please don't reply here. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

sonic and knuckles brothers

i heard some were that knuckles and sonic were brothers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.19.117.163 (talk) 17:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Lies.Fairfieldfencer FFF 18:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

some one else had said it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.254.170.227 (talk) 14:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Well for starters it doesn't make sense. Knuckles is an Echidna and Sonic is a Hedgehog, so they couldn't be brothers.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Not In this life time friend!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)