Talk:Inspector Morse

Death of versus the death of Sherlock Holmes

It should be noted that Arthur Conan Doyle did not kill Sherlock Holmes in the last book. The last story chronologically is "His Last Bow", which plays in 1914. In that story he is retired and does one more service for England. The last story written is "The retired colourman", which plays much earlier.

However, Sherlock Holmes did die (at least Dr. Watson deduced so) in "The final problem", by falling down the Reichenbach Falls in a death struggle with his arch-enemy, Professor Moriarty. The next story (written about three years later) shows that he did not fall down, but that it only was set up by Holmes.

We can call this die-and-revive as the first case of the Bobby-Ewing-Effect :-)

Anyway, not knowing about Inspector Morse, I feel not qualified enough to edit this article. Can anybody else do that? RedMabuse User:Conversion script 15:51, 25 February 2002 (UTC)

I think the point in the article is that Conan Doyle kill Holmes in what was _supposed_ to be the last book, and then revived him.

I'm also going to propose that since Morse's first name is a secret up to the end of the last book, (and a source of speculation until Dexter revealed it) that it is not printed at the top of the article, for the benefit of people who are working their way through the series.

D.J. Clayworth User:DJ Clayworth 16:24, 23 July 2003 (UTC)

I've been told (which is to say, that what I'm about to say is non-authoritive!) that Conan-Doyle wanted to get out of the Holmes stories so he killed Holmes off. But the readership of the Holmes stories were so persistent that Conan-Doyle was essentially forced to bring Holmes back.

I'm not sure how Morse's author felt about Morse's death, but unlike Holmes, the stories (and the TV episodes) clearly show Morse in physical decline, his diabetes out of control and exacerbated by his heavy drinking. I think it would need cryogenics and cloning to bring Morse back, and without John Thaw to act the part on TV, I'd just as soon Morse not be resurrected.

Atlant 17:13, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Definitly...unless Morse was faking his death...but that doesn't seem in character. More likely we might see a paper delivered by the Author on who actually killed the woman in 'The Remorseful Day'. Pydos 16:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

First name Endeavour

I don't think it's necessary for the first name to be removed. It was originally announced amid great fanfare in the pre-publicity for Death Is Now My Neighbour, before anyone had actually read the book. If the author didn't consider it a spoiler, there seems no reason for wikipedia to. User:Bonalaw 12:07, 24 June 2004 (UTC)

I was going to move the first name past the spoiler warning, but I found other website have right up front, so I guess we'll leave it. My reasoning was, for people who know it, they know it, and for people who don't why tell them. WikiDon 01:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Morse Code in the Music

I was told that the name of the killer occationally appears as morse code in the theme music my Pheloung, somewhat distorted to fit the musical rythm. The one exception was an episode where Morse's secret first name was encoded though telegraphists from the British signal service could not figure it out. It is an amusing story, can it be verified? I can so far only see references to an Radio interview with the composer. If true, why not add it here? User:85.164.66.66 20:26, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

That is what I have read and heard, but since I don't know Morse Code, they could be telling me to bugger off and I wouldn't know it. WikiDon 01:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

The Jag

The link here about Morse's fab Mk 2 jag takes you to the Jaguar page, not straight to the one about the car. I've tried to change this but someone changed it back. Please don't! I'm trying to find a picture and then i'll write the MK 2 page and link it her properly. It is the iconic car of Morse after all. Pydos

I see you have changed it. You are right about the link, and I will keep an eye on it, SqueakBox 16:47, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The link Pydos originally wrote was [[Jaguar_Mark_2|Jaguar]] as in this diff, the current one pipes to Jaguar (car), I'd welcome the addition of the Mark 2 article and would be happy if it 'went red' awaiting its arrival. Alf ^melmac 17:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the support guys...but it's happened again!!! It will stay red for a little while, i'm just trying to find a picture under the fair use policy. I'm watching this page now so i an have a word with the culprit. Pydos 12:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Da dah! A picture under my nose all the time! Assuming no-one changes the link it's there in all its glory. Possibly needs some tidying up however. Pydos

OXFORD LOCATIONS FOR INSPECTOR MORSE

Full details on the filming locations used in 'Inspector Morse' and the follow-up 'Lewis' can be found in a stylish and contemporary new guide book, Classic Locations Oxfordshire. The book also includes recommendations of the best hotels, restaurants, shops and visitor attractions in Oxford and Oxfordshire. Visit the website at www.classiclocations.com

The Jewel That Was Ours

In a 1998 episode of “Quote, Unquote” which aired this past week on BBC 7, Julian Mitchell says that The Jewel That Was Ours was actually based on his screenplay for “The Wolvercote Tongue”, and not the other way around as this article currently states. Quoting:

Well, there's quite a story attached to this. Colin Dexter wrote a certain number of novels, but there weren't nearly as many novels as there were television plays about Inspector Morse, and this is one that was sort of half-and-half. He wrote a short story, and I then turned this into a full-length, two-hour television play, which was called “The Wolvercote Tongue”, which he then wrote up as a novel, without, I may say, any credit to me. [hems] But then, that's fair enough because he invented the characters in the first place. (From round 5, if I'm counting right. Since the BBC did not identify the precise date this episode originally aried, perhaps someone else can identify it from the panelists: in addition to Mitchell the others were Ian McKellen, Claire Rayner, and Hilary Spurling.)

(Mitchell then went on to answer the question put to him, which was about the poem opposite the copyright page in the book.) 121a0012 03:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, true. I noticed that error in the article earlier but didn't have time to correct it and it got forgotten about. Incidentally, it came up as a question on Mastermind this week as well. --Bonalaw 10:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Neutral encyclopedic language

Hi all. Nice article. Its preferred viewing for myself so I'd appreciate it if other editors point out my bias if it becomes noticeable on the article. I will work on making the writing more neutral [1]. Collaboration is welcome. AlanBarnet 06:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Misogyny - sources?

I don't disagree, but the generalisation that "some feminist critics" have argued this needs more evidence than a link to a one-liner in one review. Gordonofcartoon 12:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Split?

The simple thing in that this should be moved to Inspector Morse (character), Inspector Morse becomes a disambig page and the Novels area split into their own article, as he was part of them. Simply south (talk) 01:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Im not sure about why this request has been posted. The television show has already been split into its own article. There is not enough info here to support two smaller ones. It also makes little sense to make readers search through too many pages to find the info that they want. You also need to be aware that "character" articles are being deleted or merged left - right - and center as non-notable or original research. Thus, I would support leaving the page as it is. MarnetteD | Talk 00:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Split into three

This should be split into three

• Inspector Morse (character)
• Inspector Morse (novel series)
• Inspector Morse (franchise)

There is definitely enough material to build a fictional character article for Morse, considering that Inspector Lewis already has one, and Morse is a popular character. The novel section is large enough to make an article in itself. The Inspector Morse fictional universe should be built, because the Inspector Lewis (TV series) is part of that fictional universe, and so an overview article should be built on the entire thing, novels, radio-plays, and both TV series. 70.51.9.131 (talk) 07:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

• • Alternative character article name: Endeavour Morse
  • Alternate franchise name: Thames Valley CID

70.55.202.181 (talk) 22:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see my comment above. These should not be split off. Fiction articles come under special scrutiny for notability and for verifiable sources to back up claims made on their pages. What you are proposing will also have problems with WP:OR as they will be your interpretation. You might get away with character though that info should stay on this page too. This page is about the novels so there is no need for a second one. Franchise is meaningless as the series is over. "Fictional Universe" pages come up for deletion more often then not and there is almost no way to save them today. Maybe four years ago but not today. Please do not split up this page. MarnetteD | Talk 23:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The comment above talks about the content currently on the article, not about any possibility of expansion. Considering the amount of Morse material around, such expansion is definitely possible. Since Morse is a popular character, such expansion is not overly unlikely. I can certainly accept that "Inspector Morse" should be the article about the book series. As for fictional universe articles, there is no standard for that, some very notable ones are deleted, some very non-notable exceedingly unknown ones are kept. Law & Order franchise has not been deleted, nor has Battlestar Galactica. Though even without a franchise article, the book series and the character should be two different articles, because the character occurs in the TV series. In lieu of a franchise article, a dab page can be placed at "Inspector Morse", but a franchise article would be better. 70.55.85.154 (talk) 04:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)