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Richard Gaikowski

With all the information recently given on ZodiacKiller.com and its forum, shouldn't something be said in this article about him? If Allen is still here after all that has discounted him, certainly Gaikowski should be. 69.23.151.9 (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think he should be listed, although I don't terribly mind having a monopoly on the situation. That aside, the info about him that is on the way will make it a no-brainer. Tom_Voigt 10:57 p.m. Pacific Time, June 23, 2008 (UTC)

Once it's a no-brainer, it'll be here. Jimbonator (talk) 08:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External Links strike again

If you're new to this entry, be aware that there was a major kerfuffle about a year ago over the External Links section. Check the Talk: archives to see how that played out and the resolution.

That said, I've checked WP:RS, WP:LINKSPAM, and WP:EL for advice on what should and should not be listed in the EL section. My conclusions are this:

A Zodiac decoder webtoy is not unreliable if it's using the Zodiac's codes as ciphertext and not spam if it's free to use. It is something that cannot be duplicated (nor should it) in this Wikipedia entry. Just because it is not encyclopedic doesn't mean it's inappropriate for EL. It seems reasonable to link to it for our reader's benefit.
Crimeshadows.com is a blog. So what? It doesn't seem to violate any of the above policies.
Please don't justify a revert of a revert as "self explanatory" when it's not.

That said, I'm making my own edits to EL, and justifying my reasoning here.

I'm removing the link to Mike Cole's page. Although it's reasoned out, it's not necessarily expert opinion.
I'm removing the spyderware link not because it's a webtoy, but it no longer works. Image links are 404'ing.
I'm removing crimeshadows.com because it doesn't appear active.
I'm keeping the oranchak.com web toy because it works and is not spam.
I'm removing the NPR link because it deals with the movie and fan base, and not the killer himself. This would be more appropriate for The Zodiac Killer in popular culture.
I'm keeping the "Clumsy Criminal" link because it's of historical interest and a primary source of the newspaper reportage he was receiving, a vital element to this subject.
I'm keeping the Google web map for much of the same reasons as the oranchak web toy.
I'm keeping the "Zodiac: The Conclusion" as it's an article oft referred to by Zodiac researchers and deals with the case directly. It also provides context and information beyond the scope of this WP entry.

The EL section has caused so much trouble in the past, I'd like to record my thinking prior to making large edits.

-- Jimbonator (talk) 02:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to reread WP:EL if "Just because it is not encyclopedic doesn't mean it's inappropriate for EL" and "is a blog? So what?" are what you think are appropriate comments. DreamGuy (talk) 20:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Napa Sentinel editorial article

An anon IP has deleted this external link twice. It's an article by Napa Sentinel publisher Harry V. Martin who argues that a hoax was perpetrated. Martin isn't particularly easy to read — rambling, not very concise — but otherwise, the editorial satisfies general requirements for external links. If nobody objects, I'll keep returning it to the list. Binksternet (talk) 20:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see Jimbonator also lists the article as one worth keeping. Binksternet (talk) 20:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zodiac Killer strikes WikiPedia

I'm a bit freaked. It seems that someone is attacking WikiPedia, saying that they're the Zodiac Killer. Take a look at this, there's also a screenshot to prove it: http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AucqFxHsTWXc40D7mbBm4PV6Shh.;_ylv=3?qid=20080719210625AAF3Zy5 -Xaremathras (talk) 02:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]