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Squadrons & Wings

Is this section strictly nesseasary? It just sounds like these sins and saints people promoting themselves--Josquius 16:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opinionated?

'Hardcore fans of the series consider this one of the best games in the series though' 'Hardcore fans on the series consider the US version of the game to be the worst game in the series.'

I'm new to wikipedia but this seems a pretty opionated article to me. I'm not sure who all the hardcore gamers are but without any sources this does seem pretty opionated to me. (But then, I am a total n00b) 82.19.26.192 09:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC) Maria 17th September[reply]

Thanks for catching that, I've removed them. _dk 09:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Found another 'Ace Combat 2 is seen by many as the best of the Ace Combat games on the PlayStation' might try deleting it if everyone's ok with it. 82.19.26.192 09:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Maria 17th September[reply]

I'm also unfamilar with official wikipedia guidelines, but it seems to me that the current section labeled "Music" is highly opinionated. There are no citations, and lines like 'are considered to be among the most evocative musical themes ever produced for a video game.' seem excessive to me for wikipedia. The entire section sounds like an opinion. 68.114.106.192 08:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I suggest we edit that, too. Zaku Two 22:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I had a go at making it sound more NPOV but I am a n00b and may have done it completely wrong so feel free to change it if I have. Mazten 11:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Maria 08/08/06[reply]

IGN link in Ace Combat X section.

"More information on this new title can be found at IGN.com"

Why is there a link to IGN for information about this game when there is a Wiki article on it? Was this an IGN shill pimping their website?

Table at the bottom of the page

Could someone add a " | " between Belka and Erusea in the table? Thanks.

How about adding a timeline

Fuel

Why after AC3 or AC2 (I forgot which one it was) did they get rid of fuel gauges. I know they sucked but it made it more realistic. So anybody know how an aircraft can fly without any fuel. One more thing why isn't there an article on the X49 Night Raven, Electrosphere has something on it why don't we?Sam ov the blue sand 17:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In essence the newer games do have fuel gauges in a way, the mission timers could be considered to create the same limitation as limited fuel. Besides, I doubt Namco cares about realism. As for the X49 Night Raven, consider how hard it is to keep the pages for the existing aircraft here (ADF-01, X-02, ect.) It seems nearly every month someone proposes one of them be deleted, merged, or something of the sort. Talk to those people first before attempting to make something they'll just remove.Cbale2000 17:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The assertion of realism in a shooter is quite silly. The game is a flight-shooter, originally an arcade game. The game was never intended to be realistic beyond the surface of it. Akatombo (talk) 03:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A little late manSam ov the blue sand 00:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template

How do I access the template at the bottom of the page? I would like to add something in there.Sam ov the blue sand 02:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ace_Combat Zaku Two 02:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well do you like what I've done?Sam ov the blue sand 00:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ace Combat 5 missions

In a recent edit it stated that AC5 had 27 missions in campaign mode, does this take into account the 3 alternate mission and mission 27+? I haven't played AC5 in a while but even on the box it says "Over 30 missions" and Arcade mode (which is practically a different game in itself) has over 15 different missions!

Please correct me if I'm wrong but that should probably be changed. Cbale2000 17:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then change it your self.Sam ov the blue sand 22:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

missing pictures

why were all images in this article removed? now it's just a horrible block of text. 72.198.34.128 00:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Aircraft Manufactuers

In the Ace Combat series do the planes (F-15, Su-37) etc. come from thier perspective countries (If Osea is an allegory to the U.S. so they own Boeing in the game?) Just a thought.75.163.189.63 15:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aircraft list

There's a user going around removing all of the aircraft lists from the games' articles under the mistaken impression that such lists are "listcruft" when, in fact, they aren't. However, now is as good a time as any to create a unified page of all of the aircraft in the Ace Combat games. It should probably refrain from adding undue statistics (weapon loadout, special weapons, carrier-based, etc). I Imagine a table would probably work best. eg:

Aircraft	Air Combat	Ace Combat 2	Ace Combat 3	etc...
ADF-01 Falken		x

Addendum: I've got a sandbox page going with just some ideas thrown in (particularly on how to cope with Ace Combat 5's ludicrous different-color=different-character syndrome. IdoAlphaOmega 05:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IdoAlphaOmega 04:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was me. I removed the lists as they were unimportant and indiscriminate. In an encyclopedia article, notable aspects of the subject should be written about, not listed, and I would encourage anyone to do so. Also due to the recent deletions of many such articles (with overwhelming concensus), including Aircraft of Ace Combat 3, I would advise against creating such a list again. Miremare 19:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Fictional Aircraft page

What the hell!!!! Someone has completely screwed up the list of Ace Combat fictional aircraft page! Somebody please fix this!!!! :( Rogue Commander 04:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional Aircraft

I know there has been a lot of work with consolidating all of the Ace Combat Ficitonal aircraft into one artical, but why do all of the links and redirects now go to a list of fictional aircraft which none of the Ace Combat aircraft are included in? Cbale2000 17:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind I fixed it, looks like someone got a bit confused. Cbale2000 17:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page rename

I think "List of Fictional Aircraft" needs to be renamed. Sombody get to that.Rogue Commander 04:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forget it. I did it already.Rogue Commander 05:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ace Combat Wikia

http://acecombat.wikia.com

Yeah, its crap, I recently took over. Many of the articles have been copied and pasted from here, so I'm asking for you guys to help me out on this.

-- Buffalosoldier92 22:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's been a while, and it has grown. It covers the Ace Combat universe in a comprehensive style, with 462 articles, compared to ACSWiki's 32. Still needs some articles, along with images, so if you can, please help! Also, I added links to the bottom of Ace Combat pages, so you have a place to look. -- Buffalosoldier92 (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ACS Wiki

I'm adding links to ACS' own wiki [1], which covers the entire series in a much more comprehensive manner than Wikipedia or the AC Wikia. The precedent of allowing links to unofficial wikis has been set by featured articles on games such as Final Fantasy, so please do not remove. Zaku^Talk 23:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional Aircraft page gone

Well it appears someone has gone and removed the fictional aircraft page. I find it amazing how decisions like this can be made by people that have not contributed to the topic at all the deletion discussion only lasts a few day. What I find even more interesting is the number of people that argue how fictional aircraft from a video game are unencyclopedic, yet apparently numerous fictional aircraft from movies are (Tie_fighter, FA-37_Talon, ect.). Whatever, I guess I'm just disappointed to see that someone seems to have an itchy finger near the delete button, these problems have been haunting this topic from the beginning. If these users were true wikipedians, they would work to improve articles that have issues, to make them conform to wikipdeia standards, instead of starting a witch hunt. Cbale2000 (talk) 05:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're not the only one with the sentiments. When the office blocked my Wiki access, I was itching to see what has happened. the next thing i know, that guy's slapping notability and AFD tags all over the articles (like what Combination did last year), though i caught the bit on transwikifying them. didn't we all talk about this in the category: AC talk page? --Eaglestorm (talk) 13:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from Earth (Ace Combat)

It has been suggested that Earth (Ace Combat) be merged here. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earth (Ace Combat) - Nabla (talk) 00:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - It has no notability on its own, and should have any useful information merged in here. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Normally, I would agree with a merge in this situation, however, with what I have seen around this topic, in all likelihood someone would find an excuse to delete everything that was just merged shortly after the fact, essentially nullifying the Earth (Ace Combat) article as a whole, and leaving little, if any of the original content. Just my $0.02. Cbale2000 (talk) 23:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's pretty accurate, but will likely happen at some point anyway if no notability is established. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I support a merge. Someone ought to do it properly before someone comes around and does it badly, because this article is at risk due to its failure to satisfy wikipedia's notability guidelines. Randomran (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The locations used in the Ace Combat games should be on the same page under the "In-Game Geography" sub-section. There is no reason to have them separated into a different page. I vote for a merge. If we don't merge, the article may just be deleted, and putting together the geography of a fictional place is not a simple task. I'll work on a merge in the next 24 hours. And I'll make sure I do it correctly.ELement (talk) 15:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flight Simulator / Flight Shooter / Flight Action

In the overview of the game series, and each title should be edited to indicate the game is a flight shooter, not a flight simulator. The producer of the Ace Combat series has made it explicit in his interviews that Ace Combat is not, and not intended to be a flight simulator. I find this to be a minor, but still notable discrepancy in the English Wikipedia Article. The emphasis of the game design is based around the easy to play - high action design, setting aside questions of reality for enjoyability. This is the primary reason for the high number of missiles, the unlimited fuel, the lax flight physics, and the super powered aircraft. "Realistic enough to be exciting, but not enough to be annoying". Akatombo (talk) 03:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

The characters should already be covered within the main game articles, so I don't think anything will be merged here. If anyone can point out some recurring characters, one section for them would be appropriate. The very basic details of the nations can go into the settings section. TTN (talk) 18:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support such a merge as a compromise. The nations are already covered in the main article, and do not meet the WP:BURDEN required to support their own article. Randomran (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I realy don't think there is any real need to merge this article into Ace Combat's main page. However, game articles do not cover characters, and those articles have little to no plot explanation, besides the basics. There is just no drive to merge here. We could split this article into game pages. This would keep us from having one single long article.74.193.217.105 (talk) 07:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]