Talk:Twilight (novel series)

Welcome

Welcome to the new Twilight series page. This page is brand new and far from being perfect, so please feel free to contribute. Raven23 22:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

should there be more summary for the books , or should we just let those who visit follow the links to the book summary pages? i'd be happy to write a (slightly) more detailed summery for each. any other improvements i'd like to help with as well. Sophiakorichi 23:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Sophiakorichi

I think we're okay with the summaries we've got now. Anyone looking for a more detailed summary can just click on the links to the book pages. Raven23 19:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

one more question: should there be a breaking dawn page? i know there's very little information about it as of now, but as there's a midnight sun page...( i wasnt exactly sure where the best place to ask this question is...) Sophiakorichi 19:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)Sophiakorichi

disreguard that last comment; there already is a breaking dawn page. its...bad, though. Sophiakorichi 19:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)Sophiakorichi

There really shouldn't be an article for "Breaking Dawn" until we get a lot more information on it. All that's known about it right now is the title, the publisher, and the release date; that's not really enough for a good article. Raven23 19:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Character Pages

I have a question about the ages in the Character pages. For the immortal characters, should we be referring to their ages as 'physical' ages? Wouldn't it be better to do their ages by when they first came into existence (ie human birth). Putting their physical ages is inaccurate because (particularly for the Cullen family) their ages change. So Carlisle can be anywhere between 20-35 at times. Edward is listed as 17 although by the end of Breaking Dawn he's supposed to be around 19.

The other possible way to do it would be to state it (where appropriate) as 'Age at death'? Canez (talk) 23:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Fith/Sixth Book?

Reference? God, if it's a hoax I'm gonna put the person who wrote it on a hitlist Iceness (talk) 18:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Vampire and werewolf information

Does anyone else think we should create separate pages for vampires of the Twilight universe and werewolves of the Twilight universe? As it is, we have the information repeated in nearly every character article other than Bella's, which is a mite annoying. Raven23 19:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I created the article Vampire (Twilight)- If its lacking anything essential or if it needs any more "meat" added to it, feel free to do whatever ^^ --PolarWolf ( sign ) 00:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

You guys are doing a great job- Stephenie Meyer's work is pure genius. It is possibly the best love story ever in creation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.71.204 (talk) 03:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think a Werewolf (Twilight) article is definitely in order, especially since after New Moon and Eclipse we know a whole lot more about them. I am (for whatever reason) deathly afraid to even create a page (much less edit anything besides typos O.O ) but maybe i could help...collaborate? Rochelle CMN (talk) 06:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

the article is great,theres a lot of food for thought there...but havent the vampires in the series been created into essentially "perfect beings" sort of figures? 59.178.215.145 (talk) 14:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)fan fiction

Plot possibly inspired by Psyche and Cupid of Greek mythology?

Did anyone notice that this story compares drastically to the story of Psyche and Cupid in Greek mythology?

• Shiloh* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.161.52 (talk) 03:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

To me, that sounds like original research, which isn't allowed in Wikipedia articles. Raven23 02:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

yes the story theme is inclined towards psyche and cupid but only a bit as the baseline has been changed... 59.178.215.145 (talk) 14:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)fiction fan

Twilight (series) vs. Twilight Series

Is there some way we can lessen the confusion between the Twilight (series) meaning the books and the Twilight Series, a bicycle race? Could we put a "This article is for the cycling race. For the young adult novel, see here." Something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.168.148 (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. ~ Bella Swan 02:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

I've been considering putting the Twilight series wikipage up for GA nomination, but first, a lot of things need to be cleaned up. The grammar and phrasing are pretty sub-par and it couldn't hurt to spruce up the sections for each book. I'll be going around cleaning up character pages, doing link-checks,redirects confirmations and the like. Any one who would be interested into getting this as a good article can post a message on my talk-page and I'll get you a list of what needs to be done. Hope we can get this as a GA!

Things You Can Do Right Now 1. The entire section on "Sybolism" needs to be cleaned up in the next week or so. I really don't want to delete it because the books do hold alot of symbolism, just not the points mentioned in the section. I'm reading "Twilight" right now so I really don't have an extensive knowledge of it but if someone could be a savior and swoop in and do some fix ups, that'd be great.

2. All the charecter pages have a big in-universe style to them which needs to be fixed. I'll be doing the best I can with them but, agian, my knowledge only spawns as far as the first couple chapters of "Twilight"

3. Grammer and gender specifications need to be fixed.

4. I'm working on creating a WikiProject:Twilight because they are a phenomenal series of books and I think that thier Wikis should be as up to par as they are. Keep an eye out for it, m'kay!Broadway4life155 (talk) 14:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's anywhere near GA status to be honest. I don't even really see the point of the article at the moment. -- Stacey _{talk to me} 17:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with that. First, let's find some things on critical reception. With these books' popularity, it can't be so hard. IceUnshattered (talk) 00:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

is it just me or was the symbolism section stolen from a 4th grade book report?

would anyone object to me flat out deleteing it, or do you think there is some way to salvage it? --69.152.250.190 (talk) 03:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I have strongly considered deleting it myself. The only reason I haven't yet is because I feel like I could find some better symbolism to discuss in that section... But I haven't gotten around to that yet. Andrea (talk) 04:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I took it out. If anyone wants to write a proper section on Symbolism, they are welcome to. Andrea (talk) 01:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Proof that humans hate trees

During my many years as a literate human, I've read at least a thousand novels. This one was by far the worst. I've complained at length to anyone who'll listen about the laughably amateurish writing style, abject lack of a plot, painfully cliché characters, and violation of the most basic rules of writing as learned in any freshman college course. Conversations with other adult readers have revealed that many others share my sense of outrage that Stephenie made money on this novel without using a hollowed out copy to beg for change in the park.

I'd like someone with perhaps a less subjective eye to mention this in the article. I understand objective content is difficult to keep posted with so many die-hard fans, but I think this is an important point that adds value to the entry when people come here for information.

Vincent Rupp 00:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I removed the unsourced line about it being popular among young adults. Now there is nothing subjective in the article about how "good" or "bad" the books may be. Your opinion is not reputable and therefore does not belong in the article, but I agree that a "Critical reception" section that offers both negative and positive critical reviews might be a nice addition. Andrea (talk) 04:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that perhaps it would be worthwhile to note some of the backlash against the nature of the relationship depicted, as many find is reason for concern. I know there is at least one facebook group [1] that addresses concerns that this relationship is perhaps abusive and depicts a weak heroine and that it is worrying that so many soon to be young women and even young women are practically worshiping it. However, a facebook group probably isn't the most reliable source (obviously), so if someone was able to find a more reputable article or something of the sort addressing these concerns to site in the article, I think that would be very good. The article on just the first book has an area of Critical reception, but it seems only to go from neutral to positive, without siting any reviews addressing any of the concerns expressed above. -Rachel June 24 2008

I think, in a way, what you're asking for is a 'critical reception' section about each of the books, that addresses the negatives and positives of the book series. We wouldn't have that sort of a thing on this page itself, but rather on the each individual book's pages. I know that I've started one on the Eclipse page, and would be willing to do the same for the rest of the novel's pages. Hope that addresses your question. ~ Bella Swan^? 19:28, 24 June 2008

Many people, especially girls at high school, absolutely looove this series of books. Three people in my class at school talk about it all the time and i moan to them that 'oh, all you love is Edward because he's this perfect guy'. I mean, the character, as said above, could not be more cliche'. No offense to them though, like the book all you want, they probably think the type of books on my shelf are rubbish. Oh well, but get over it girls... Plus, the films that are due to come out won't help with anything, except for making money. Having Rob Pattinson as Edward? Sure, that'll help them get over their film star crush. One of the girls i mentioned earlier has him as the screensaver on her phone. Now whenever she closes her phone, she is sat there for about a minute saying 'Aaaaaaaaaaww, so pretty'. Not helpful at all film producers. Tut tut. LR.

Bella Swan - I disagree. Though I believe it is important for each individual novel to have their own critical recep page, I also think that a crit recep page on the Twilight (series) page would be good to see the general reaction to the series as a whole. IceUnshattered^{[ t | c ]} 23:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't really have problem having a critical recp on this page, but the only reason I thought that we shouldn't have it on this page was because I thought it might get repetitive, but I dunno. If we could make the cric recp like this at the Harry Potter page, it might work. The section lists the history of all the praise and criticisms that the series got, starting with book 1 and continuing on. If we could do something like that and summarize all the reviews in one, it could work. ~ Bella Swan^? 13:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds great, but a section that size wouldn't do well in comparison with the rest of the page. At the same time, I don't think we'll have as much to put on Twilight, so it probably wouldn't be a problem. It'd be nice to have a page to see how reception changed and progressed from book to book, yeah. I'm not sure what you mean by 'summarize all the reviews in one', though. IceUnshattered (talk) 01:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

What I meant, was that we should summarize the reviews from the respective books in the series, and give a breif bit on how they each individually did, and then do a bigger piece on how the series did as a whole. ~ Bella Swan^? 16:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Playlist

Should we really list all the songs for the playlists of the books? I would like to do it, but I'm afraid of it being really disorganized and crufty. Any ideas? ~ Bella Swan^? 16:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think it looks very nice when they're all listed here, and it seems a bit over the top in terms of detail. Maybe just a mention of the playlists and links to where they're listed on her site? Andrea (talk) 04:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

We might have an issue if we listed all the songs, I think Andrea's solution is good. IceUnshattered (talk) 01:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I started a new article and copy/pasted all the playlist in it. I agree that it looked 'too much' on the main page. Iceness (talk) 08:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

That was not a good idea. The playlists aren't covered in WP:NOTE, and cannot be made into an article. Appreciate the enthusiasm though. ~ Bella Swan^? 16:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Sales count of series

That is the sales count. I checked at Barnes na Noble. Honest. I was curious too. . I guess its proof that people enjoy reading books that critics enjoy slamming.

Hey, can we get some sort of objective and accurate sales count?

I'd found the fifty million sales count rather exaggerated, no offense, it is a book that has sold well, but not THAT much. I did some research, and I could find like only three sources citing 50 million, while I found many more credible sources citing a much lower number, 8 million, perhaps give or take a million or two with the release of Breaking Dawn. So, I edited the page, attaching three out of the many sources I found on it, however one user (see page history) has been repeatedly reverting the edits back to fifty million, and he/she has attached only one source, which's accuracy is questionable. The date of the source he/she has attached is also much earlier then those I found, so it's unlikely to be the issue of an old sales count.

Much appreciated if someone could try to find a source that can definitely confirm the sales count, perhaps figures from the New York Times bestseller list? I'm pretty sure 50 million isn't accurate, and it's going to be very confusing and disinforming of viewers if it keeps flipping between 8 million and 50 million. The same user has also been repeatedly re-adding Twilight to the list of bestselling books, under the claims of fifty million portion-I've reverted the edit, until we can get something confirmed, I don't we should just put it up there. I don't mean to accuse he/she of vandalism, it's just not accurate and it comes across as a little bit of something rather overzealous- and it's affecting the accuracy of the article.

Thanks,

--Chinensis (talk) 05:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Eh, as one of those not-as-crazy Twilight fans, I really don't want to bother myself to look into this, however, it is an important fact, and I will try to look into it. IceUnshattered ^{[ t ]} 00:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes of course we get some sort of objective and accurate sales count. I have added three sources citing that the books have sold in 50 million copies. Three sources are enough. And I am also adding Twilight to the list of bestselling books since now there have been three sources. Thanks, Blytonite (talk) 02:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Twilight Task Force

This is a note saying that a Twilight Task Force might be in the works. A poll is currently being held here to see who would be willing to join. If you would like to join, please participate in this poll. Thanks, ~ Bella Swan^? 13:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that under the Reception and Influence heading, there is actually no information regarding the series' reception. I believe that in the spirit of fairness and objectivity, this section should include information regarding critics' reviews and thoughts on the series. Both the negative and positive aspects of the book should be highlighted in order to provide a more informative and well-rounded article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.121.128.131 (talk) 20:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

If you wanted to inquire, the best thing to do would be to make a new section. However, I'll answer your question; I made the section because I knew that the series has influenced people. I'm planning on adding reception (as well as book counts), but they have to be reception for the entire series, and not just one book in particular. Singular book reviews are placed on the book pages. I have a few reviews in mind, and will add them when I get the time. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 00:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)