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Archives

  1. Box1 (including long-running debate on "second city" status)
  2. Box2 24 September 2005 - 27 October 2005
  3. Box3 28 October 2005 - 28 February 2007
  4. Box4 4 March 2007 - 31 May 2007
  5. Box5 June 2007 (Infobox Image and GA discussion)
  6. Box6 September 2007 (Vandalism debates and 2nd/3rd city "discussion")
  7. Box7 September 2007 - August 2008


From City of Manchester

Picture

I was working in the Beetham Tower today and took a few shots from the top. If anyone would like to use them, let me know and I'll put them in wiki commons.

http://flickr.com/photos/soundman/2764939261/ - there are others in my profile besides that. Parrot of Doom (talk) 15:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! I never knew that was your account (I have spotted it before!)! Defo candidates for commons if you ask me! --Jza84 |  Talk  16:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On a related note, I came across this book on Google, which if you click 'more' on the 'selected pages' section, reveals plenty of drawings of old buildings around Manchester. Given the book is 1839, I would imagine they're all out of copyright. I've already used one on the Bridgewater Canal article. Parrot of Doom (talk) 13:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames

There are no citations to back up 'Capital of the North'. This term should be deleted immediately as the term is used to refer to both Leeds and Manchester. Currently, putting that phrase there sparks dispute, particularly when no-one in the general public refers to any city as the Capital of the North. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.243.1 (talk) 06:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Yorkshirian, trying to stir up trouble again? You have been here long enough to know not to do that. You have also been here long enough to know how to move pages without screwing it up and making work for others. But you make no effort to keep the encyclopedia 'clean', and you show no consideration for people reading pages that don't relate to your field of editing.
You have been banned by ARBCOM. You are going to have to realise that you and all your contributions are unwanted at Wikipedia. You are persona non grata. You are a pariah, a social outcast. Please find another hobby. Mr Stephen (talk) 06:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Seconded. ┌Joshii┐└chat┘ 15:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war

Wikipedia:Three-revert rule - getting out of hand. Why not discuss the issue here, instead of just reverting eachother's edits? Parrot of Doom (talk) 21:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am very happy discussing alterations here and I'm happy to go with an agreement. The line that Majabi keeps reverting without any discussion is only two words that Joshii added. Majabi seems very keen to dampen down anything that places Manchester second only to London. Indeed a look at the comments on his contributions pages speaks volumes - "I should work for BCC" is probably the highlight and he's not wrong. He seems to edit the Manchester page simply to talk it down whilst hell bent on proving Birmingham is the second city. My view is that the additional two words that Joshii added did not weaken the article. Moreover I am just very wary that Majabi's intentions are not to make the Manchester article better but simply to weaken it. GRB1972 (talk) 08:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Woah, tiger - easy on the paranoia! Saying that somewhere is the 'second-best place to do business in the UK after London' implies that it is actually third-best in the UK, and that there is another place that is the best in the UK after London. This is not true, because Cushman & Wakefield ranks Manchester as the second-best place in the whole of the UK, not in the whole of the UK excluding London. It's a fairly straightforward grammatical point. And to any interested reader, the place C&W rated top (ie, London) is both in the title of the source and also contained in the source itself. Do you follow now? Matthew (talk) 13:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, I see that the joke behind my 'I could work for BCC ;-)' edit was entirely lost on you! I changed the picture at the top of the Birmingham article to that of Birmingham, Alabama after reading [1] - quite clearly am I 'hell bent'! ;-) Matthew (talk) 13:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incidently, I couldn't care less! The fact is how it reads now Matthew/ Majabi or whoever else you go by is pretty much how it read after my initial update. I was simply of the opinion that Joshii's contribution did not detract from the article and I remain of that opinion, as I do about your general intention re. Manchester. Then again my point is probably entirely lost on you. GRB1972 (talk) 14:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Metro Population

Hey guys, just writing to find something out and I'm not very good on wikipedia so I thought this was the best way of asking. How is the Metro population of Manchester 4,209,132? Where is the official reference for that please?

--Tubs uk (talk) 15:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Capital of the North

I'll admit I'm not from Manchester, but I am from the North. I am also aware that there isn't a particular capital of the North. Leeds is equally fitting to be the capital of the North, as is Sheffield. In the nicest way possible, Manchester doesn't really have a right to say it is. No city does until it is officially named as such. If you have some sort of official reference for it can you please show me? --Tubs uk (talk) 15:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You've had long enough to respond to me now. These issues will be reported unless someone shows me reliable evidence of the Metro Population and the Capital of the North. --Tubs uk (talk) 22:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Threats are not welcome here. The article already includes references. ┌Joshii┐└chat┘ 22:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I hate to say this, but they do have a point about the Metropolitan Area population, as the ONS don't publish any metropolitan area data. Where does that figure come from? Fingerpuppet (talk) 09:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Archive

At 167k and over a year of talking, should much of this page not be archived? Parrot of Doom (talk) 11:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Give me a few minutes ... Mr Stephen (talk) 12:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How's that? Mr Stephen (talk) 12:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well it only took one drag of my finger on the touchpad to get here, rather than 10 :D Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Name Origins and the Founding of Manchester

I see in the discussion archive there was questioning of the Roman history. I would like to know if people think the name Mancenion, the "place of tents", should be included and reference to the building of the first fort by the Brigantes, a century before the Romans. For this I am citing Wheeler in 1836 (Manchester: It's Political, Social and Commercial History, Ancient and Modern), who amongst others cites Hollingworth in 1646 (Mancuniensis; Or, an History of the Towne of Manchester, and what is Most Memorable Concerning it). Here is a modern example of reference to this original name, predating the Roman Mancunium: http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/place_page.jsp?p_id=791 Does anyone know more about this and if it is worth including please? Thanks

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