Talk:Joey Barton

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Joey Barton article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Joey Barton has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
August 5, 2007	Peer review	Reviewed
August 20, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
March 12, 2008	Featured article candidate	Not promoted

Current status: Good article

This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Biography GA‑class

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
GA	This article has been rated as GA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Football: England GA‑class Mid‑importance

	Association football portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Football, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Association football on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FootballWikipedia:WikiProject FootballTemplate:WikiProject Footballfootball articles
GA	This article has been rated as GA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	English football portal This article is supported by the English football task force (assessed as Mid-importance).

Template:Football portal selected

Sacked?

The Sun wrote he had been sacked yesterday. Is this true? They are not always reliable, to say the least, but this is quite strong claims is if it's not true. Link: [1]. -- 1 July, 2008 06:52 CST -- Aediasse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.53.41.92 (talk) 04:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy

I have changed "stubbed out" to "poked" in the cigar incident. The reference says "stubbed a cigar", http://www.carling.com/football/manchester-city-fc/joey-barton.html says "poked" and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=BLOGDETAIL&grid=P30&blog=yourview&xml=/sport/2006/02/02/uviewbarton.xml says "pushed".

I've also expanded on his sendings off, and removed "but hardly featured for the rest of the season, being injured or putting in below par performances as the club slipped from 8th to 15th" after the sentence on him signing a new contract in 2006. Joey only missed 7 league games in 2005-06; only David James and Darius Vassell played more. Chorleypie 21:07, 1 October 2006 (BST)

---I find the following statement,"He had two red cards in his first 120 games, both for two yellow cards" to be a little, well, odd. I don't see the significance of two reds in his first 120 games, neither were straight reds. I'm not saying he is innocent (in fact I know very little about Barton) but a breakdown of the yellows he has received would be a better representation of his on-field behaviour.Crx2gen 05:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I put it in because a previous version talked specifically about one red card, and I wanted to point out that his record on the pitch isn't remarkably bad. I've taken it out now. Chorleypie 12:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about putting in a "Controversy" section to separate his footballing success to his controversies (mainly) off the field? Also more can be added such as his criticism of Gerrard and Lampard. 13:44, 05 February 2007 (BST)

"Personal Life"

Thought you could update : I read this morning that he is going out with Emma Walsh, a make-up artist from Ireland, for a while and she is 5 months pregnant now and there both very happy..83.70.41.162 15:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone else think it's a bit unfair that all his "Personal Life" section discusses is his brother's murder conviction? I'm sure there's more to his personal life than just this. I should think that either more information should be added that actually relates to Joey Barton's personal life or the header should be renamed to something along the lines of "Family Issues" or "Brother's Murder Trial". Just a thought. Cricketseven 18:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the header is OK but I expect you're right that there's more to his personal life than this. Feel free to add something! While I'm on, I've deleted the 86.15.97.211 contribution "the media [neglected] to mention that he handed his shirt to a disabled Manchester City fan", because we have a BBC link which does mention this. (Chorleypie 08:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I agree that it is unfair to discuss his half-brothers murder conviction. I think the most that should be stated is "Joey Barton is the half-brother of convicted murderer Michael Barton" Anybody who wishes to read further can click the internal link.

Why does it say that he gave evidence at his brother's trial while the indicated link doesn't state that. 71.252.136.202 01:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think that this should be included as a well publicised (at least in the UK) and, presumably, a significant part of his personal life. I changed the wording slightly so that it mentioned the name of the murder victim and included the fact that the murder was deemed to be racially motivated. I added the name because, again, the victim was very well publicised (in the UK) as was the nature of the crime - so I'd personally consider these to be relevant, and of interest to the reader. Would be good to hear what others think. Ghost Yacht 18:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please add details of his prison term <url>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7409943.stm</url> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.16.176.79 (talk) 12:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Newcastle Transfer

Don't count your chickens 'til they hatch - The press this morning says that the transfer is likely but no contracts will be signed till Viduka gets back from OZ. West Ham could throw in a better package. nothingings certain til the ref blows the whistle. Mike33 07:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know think it contradicts WP:NOT#CBALL - just be careful Mike33 16:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

It's a very well written article, I just have a few small things to be addressed, some maybe personal preference so tell me if any of these go into that sort of area, cheers:

In the lead sentence, it says "Joseph Anthony Barton (...) commonly known as Joey Barton", but I don't think it really needs the latter part because one already knows what he's commonly known as by the article name and the infobox as well.
- Done Davnel03 11:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm slightly concerned by the frequent use of dates in the article. For instance, in the second paragraph of "Senior career", the date is mentioned in two sentences in succession - it kinda feels a bit repetitive after a while. One thing you could do, for instance, is just mention the month (and year) rather than the day, month and year or perhaps say "...a week after "X", "Y" happened".
- Done Davnel03 11:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the "style of play" section, it reads "...which has helped him gain a reputation as a 'box-to-box' player" - Now, I know what that is but that doesn't mean the rest of Wikipedia does, is there an article explaining this term?
- Nope, there isn't an article on that. Nethertheless, I have no clue as to what it means! Davnel03 11:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done I've given a definition of the word in the article. Mattythewhite 11:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also in the same section "Newcastle manager Sam Allardyce stated that one of the reasons he signed Barton was his goalscoring ability. In the 2006–07 season, Barton finished as Manchester City's top goalscorer, despite not being a striker." - Wouldn't this be better in the Senior career section?
- Done Davnel03 11:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Same section again, "Some pundits have also acknowledged that this aspect of his game has shown improvement since the 2005–06 season" - Can you specify who said this? For instance, you could use Colin Illingworth - the author of the work you cited for tat sentence.
- Done Davnel03 11:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Statistics have shown Barton to be one of the best tacklers in the Premier League" - Examples? :-)
- There is a reference given to this statement. Mattythewhite 19:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Sir-Nobby 17:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the "outside of football section" in the quote box it reads at the start "Michael, if you have..." - After reading the sentence I realise it's his brother but one could put this instead "Michael [Barton, Joey's brother], if you have..."
- Done Davnel03 11:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Finially, can you alphabetize the categories.
- Done Davnel03 11:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for future plans for the article if your planning for an FA with this, then there are a few things I could recommend:

Wait - A footballer's career can change dramatically and thus isn't stable. I know it's pretty far away but it's but a footballer's article becomes more stable after they retire.
A few more sections, for instance you could split the career sections by club to make navigating through the article easier.
When Barton wins an annual award, remember to add a succession box for it - Oh and use the right heading as well (For a sportsmen you'll need Template:s-sports and ~~[[Template:s-awards]]~~ Template:s-ach).

edited to replace s-awards with s-ach Bazj (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remember, that those three things you don't need to address for this GA review but rather suggestions for future improvement.

Anyway, for now I'll be keeping this article on hold until the points have been addressed, thanks. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 10:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for addressing my points, I will now pass this article. Matty, you probably know the drill when I do a GA review ;-), thanks. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 08:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit

Template:WP LoCE

Charity work

[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir-Nobby (talk • contribs) 21:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upload images to wikimedia?

Hi, I would like to put the images in this article in another languege article about Barton. Since the images belong to to English wikipedia, I still can't do that. Can the authors of these images upload them to wikimedia commons so that I could use them myself? Thanks, YemeniteCamel (talk) 08:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

6 months sentence

Is it 6 months in prison, or is he just currently in jail? CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 12:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"He is currently serving a six month prison term and plays for English Premier League club Newcastle United, as a midfielder." - if he's currently in prison, he doesn't currently play for Newcastle, so this sentence needs sorting out. Any ideas? Bingobangobongoboo (talk) 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about "He is currently contracted to English Premier League club Newcastle United and plays as a midfielder. He is currently serving a six month term in prison."? --116.49.132.113 (talk) 16:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs to be protected; it's a big target for vandals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.56.204 (talk) 13:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disgraced?

I think it is appropriate to prefix Joey Barton with the adjective "disgraced", given his recent spell in prison for assault and affray, not to speak of his history of disciplinary problems —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrorballman (talk • contribs) 22:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed.