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Sourcing

There's this for some of the information that's been removed. I'm not adding any of it due to the OTRS problems and note in the edit summary....FWIW the only source currently in the article looks like a self-published source to me in addition. One Night In Hackney303 01:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Malicious misrepresentation of sources

I want to point out the malicious misrepresentation of two sources (by user Iam) in an edit of this articleon 18'th Dec 2007.

In this edit, user Iam makes claims and cites references which do not in any way support his claims, in what amounts to a malicious and underhanded attack on the reputation of Lindy Morrison.

Malicious because his hurtful claims could not be mistaken for accidental misinterpretations of those sources.

Underhanded because he attempted to slip the hurtful claims into the biography undetected, by marking his edits as minor.

He even had the effrontery to cite Wikipedia NPOV policy whilst inserting the following malicious lies into this article:

a) "Xero had the reputation of being banned from every club in Brisbane because of their low level of musicianship and shoplifting charges" when in fact the reference given THE GO-BETWEENS ARCHIVE supports neither claim. No mention of 'charges' nor does it make any claims about Xero's 'reputation'.

In fact there were no such charges and anyone claiming otherwise at Wikipedia in future best be able to produce a verifiable official document. It can't be done because there were no charges laid.


b) "securing the lowest number of votes ever for a Democrats candiate (sic) in New South Wales". The reference given is THE POLL BLUDGER. Anyone bothering to read that reference would find for themselves that the reference makes no such claim and in fact does not even mention the number of votes received by the Democratic candidate in the seat of Wentworth. The claim is also factually wrong.

Nothing but fabrication from the pen of Iam. I implore all contributors to check out his claims for themselves and join with me in condemning Iam for using Wikipedia in this despicable, underhanded and hurtful manner.

--Mark Ilsley (talk) 13:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracy in Source used

I would also like to point out that Iam makes one further claim which is also untrue, that "she was replaced by a drum machine" in 1989. The reference given is FYFEOPEDIA.

There is some support for this interpretation of the facts in the source which claims that "Morrison's often bypassed in favour of a drum machine" during the recording of their last album, 16LL.

In fact it was LM's drum kit and not LM herself which was sometimes 'bypassed' on the recording of 16LL. Lindy programed the drum machine herself and so her (artistic) input was never 'bypassed'. She was there, she would know who programed the machine.

--Mark Ilsley (talk) 12:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unprofessional conduct contrary to Wikipedia policy

I want to point out the unprofessional conduct by TheClashFan in twice reverting edits which sort to remove the malicious misrepresentation of sources inserted into this article by Iam on 18'th Dec 2007.

TheClashFan may or may not have known that the claims being made by Iam were malicious but the fact remains that he twice reverted edits which sort to remove these malicious claims despite the fact that the original references given by Iam did not support his claims.

I implore all contributors to read and check the references of all claims made in future and to refrain from restoring any claim which is poorly sourced.

This behaviour is to be used as grounds for a check for sockpuppet abuse.

--Mark Ilsley (talk) 13:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed restoration of previously deleted unsourced material.

I've located sources for the following material which was restored to the article by user Lindymorrison on her Revision as of 04:47, 24 March 2008 and then deleted by Daniel on his Revision as of 08:25, 24 March 2008and propose the restoration of the material.

re:

Before her time as a musician Lindy was active in Brisbane, employed by the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders Legal Service, where she worked with Aboriginal activist Denis Walker to protect the rights of Aboriginal people. [1][2][3][4]

She was later part of the Popular Theatre Troupe[5][6] who protested against the Bjelke-Petersen led National Party government performing for free in public their sharply satirical political street theatre[7] during a time when life in Queensland was felt to be strongly constrained by the government, select business groups, and political interests.[8]

Morrison currently resides in Sydney with her daughter Lucinda[9]. She works in community music [for example, the Wataboshi Festival [10]]. One of her part time jobs is as a community musician where she directs a group of intellectually disabled musicians known as The Junction House Band. [11][12]

She also serves as a board member for the Phonographic Performance Company of Australia[13] where she serves as a representative of registered Australian recording artists (or 'artist director', making contributions to changes in policy to benefit recording artists[14]) , and national casework coordinator of the benevolent society Support Act Ltd. [15] [16] She has also ventured into politics as an Australian Democrats candidate. She failed to win in the Federal seat of Wentworth[17][18] and in the New South Wales (seat of Coogee)[19][20]state elections.

--Mark Ilsley (talk) 12:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed additional material (with references).

Lindy is also the sole author of a short workbook entitled "Australian women in rock and pop music" and made a 1 hour duration video to accompany it. Intended as student material it is housed in the National Library of Australia.[21] Interviewees for the video include Kylie Minogue, Tina Arena and Wendy Matthews.

Lindy was also the artist in residence at South Sydney Youth Service (1998 - 2001) and was employed by TAFE as the head tutor for the music course run by SSYS.[22] She also teaches contracts and copyright and music business modules at TAFE.[23]

Lindy is also currently a Director on the Music Council of Australia Board.[24]

--Mark Ilsley (talk) 02:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

  1. ^ "Goss a political biography" by Jamie Walker, Uni of QLD press 1995 p36 - 44.
  2. ^ "The Go-Betweens" By David Nichols, Allen and Unwin 1997 p65
  3. ^ The Bush Telegraph, Entries 9&12
  4. ^ The Age October 6, 2004
  5. ^ "The Go-Betweens" By David Nichols, Allen and Unwin 1997 p65
  6. ^ The Age October 6, 2004
  7. ^ The Bush Telegraph, Entries 14&15
  8. ^ "No! No! to Joh" by Pete Thomas published by Building Workers industrial Union (Queensland Branch) dated February 1979.
  9. ^ The Age October 6, 2004
  10. ^ ACE magazine, Issue 27 April 2003 p17
  11. ^ The Sydney Morning Herald TV reviews
  12. ^ "Junction House blues" [videorecording]. Academy Library, University of NSW@ADFA Local id: 346809 Shelf: av dvd ML3534 .J86 2007 and University of Canberra - University of Canberra Library Shelf: <BRN375844>
  13. ^ Phonographic Performance Company of Australia Website "About Us"
  14. ^ "High Voltage Rock 'n Roll" by Christie Eliezer Omnibus Press 2007 first edition p129
  15. ^ Phonographic Performance Company of Australia Website "About Us"
  16. ^ Support Act Limited Contacts Page
  17. ^ Official AEC (House of Reps) Federal seat of Wentworth, 2004 election result
  18. ^ The Age October 6, 2004
  19. ^ NSW parliament, Official election results, Coogee 2003
  20. ^ The Age October 6, 2004
  21. ^ NLofA ISBN 1875856730 (video) 1875856765 (workbook)
  22. ^ Community Grants Program publication 'Next Step', November 2000, p9.
  23. ^ The Age, October 6, 2004
  24. ^ Phonographic Performance Company of Australia Website "About Us"

Proposed infobox

Lindy Morrison

As part of improving the quality of this article, I propose this infobox be added. I have used the current article to supply information but I have also added some new information.

  • Associated_acts
    • Morrison's band list from the article (except The Rainy Season) is supported by The Go-Betweens entry at Australian Rock Database (ARDb). I've reordered the listing chronologically, adding The Rainy Season last.
  • Years_active
    • May need further work, I'm not sure if Morrison's professional music career has been continuous or interrupted since 1994. Start date is from her PPCA profile. Her membership in The Go-Betweens is given as 1980–1989 by ARDb. The Go-Betweens website discography for Morrison (Go discog) shows her external releases from 1981–2002. PPCA profile indicates Morrison still performs hence I propose leaving Years_active open-ended, as is, unless a reliable reference can be found to show that Morrison has ceased performing.

Minor edit: Xero > Xero.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unencyclopaedic language

This article reads like if it was written by a one-eyed fanboy. Note wikipedia guidelines Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Subsequent_uses_of_names. At various times Belinda Morrison is referred to as "Lindy" in the article - it is standard practice to write surname only after the full name has already been mentioned at the beginning. JoannaMinogue (talk) 09:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In reply: Well, fuck the the Style Police then. The Manual of Style guidelines to which you refer, are just that, guidelines and are not required.

Whether the style conventions I have adopted here are the most appropriate for this particular article is rather a fine point to take up with one as inexperienced as I at the Wikipedia game. I think rather that you behave like a bully to inexperienced contributors.

If you prefer to defer to other conventions, then I will not contest or revert. I will not devote myself to the obtuse petty objections from one such as you when there is so much more to be done.

However if you make any substantive changes of fact, you will then find me very well equipped for the fight that you so obviously spoil for.

And one further thing, 'Lindy' is simply the name by which the subject is most commonly known. Abundant respect leads me to use that name, not adulation.

And whilst we are quoting provisions at each other, Madam, I would remind you that unlike the guidelines contained in the Manual of Style, the provisions within the Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks policy statement, are not optional.

Mark Ilsley (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Whether the style conventions I have addopted here" - You don't "own" the article regardless of what *you* may think. Guidelines are there for a reason. Majority of biographies on wikipedia are written in 3rd person, with surname in text, not first name. JoannaMinogue (talk) 08:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reason guidelines are there Madam, is to act as a guide. They are not provided for the purpose of acting as a pretext for making personal attacks on contributors. Which is exactly what you have done.Mark Ilsley (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Get off MY BACK.Mark Ilsley (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • You pretty much lost moral ground on this discussion by engaging in the same thing you've accused me of - personal attack (also evident in your previous rant against another editor User:Iam). If your style includes the spelling and grammatical errors which have plagued the article, and witnessed on this very Talk page, there is no hope of this article being improved to any encyclopaedic standard. And no I don't have to ask you for "permission", as you Mr. Ilsley do not own this article, despite appearing to make this your own walled garden. JoannaMinogue (talk) 23:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I asked you to get off my back and you refuse, so now I make it all about you.

Problems

I have put a few problem tags on this article. A lot of it is speculative or irrelevant. The tone also needs work. My first thought was to stub the article, but I think this is a bit too drastic. I am going to have a go at pruning it a bit. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to have to gut quite a bit of the stuff about the Aboriginal Legal Services because it strays far away from the subject. I think this material might be possible to rescue and be used in a separate article about the organisation. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To make it easier to reuse the stuff I am removing I am only going to comment it out. This will be a mix of stuff which is excessive here but possibly useful elsewhere, and stuff that needs to be rewritten or summarised. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am now getting a bit worried. The main thing she is noted for is the Go Betweens, right? But there is next to nothing about that here or in the Go Betweens article. Is she really more noted for the other stuff? If so, the intro needs to be rewritten. If not, then somebody needs to add stuff about her time in the Go Betweens. I an not able to do this, so I have left the section empty and marked for expansion. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I have done as much as I can. I think it is an improvement but there is a lot more to do. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You've done some fantastic editing Daniel. You may wish to have a look at these two links though -

JoannaMinogue (talk) 02:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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