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Is calling the FLNC a terrorist organization POV? For example, how does it differ from the FLN, which I'm sure was considered a terrorist organization previous to the independance of algeria, but subsequently became the sole political party. Perhaps, it would be better to write that the FLNC is considered by Betar to be a terrorist organization, or perhaps it would be better to remove the word entirely, or best of all someone could write an artice about the FLNC? MisterSheik 20:47, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think that an organisation tht claims the full responsibility of an terrorist attack should be considerd as a terrorist organization. Next to that, trying to harm innocent people for you case is a bad thing. Try to convince people with your ideologie and not with force and terrorattacks.

Guy

Well, the article on the FLNC refers to the group as a militant group and that it is regarded by France as a terrorist organisation. 59.167.235.53 00:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Betar and Kadima party

quote of the 10-9-2008 edit: "Many of Israel's most prominent public figures on the Right have been "graduates" of Betar, including former Prime Ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, current Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, current Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, and former Defence Minister Moshe Arens. Current Kadima Member of Knesset Yoel Hasson is a former national head of Betar in Israel. This leads some Israelis to see a connection between Betar and the ruling Kadima party as overshadowing Betar's traditional relationship with Likud."

There is no base to say "This leads some Israelis to see a connection between Betar and the ruling Kadima party as overshadowing Betar's traditional relationship with Likud". I am a member of Betar's leadership in Israel and I can say that there is absolutely no one in Betar who sees Olmert, Livni or Hason as followers of Betar ideology because of their opinions regarding the Israeli role over Judea and Samaria. They think Israel should evacuate these areas and Betar absolutely doesn't. The Kadima party holds opinions that are opposite to important parts of Betar's ideology. To simplify that we can notice that Betar is a right-wing movement while Kadima is not. It is true that there are former members of Betar that are on Kadima or other non-right-wing parties but that doesn't say that the movement of Betar has changed it's ideals.

Therefore I remove the quote that I mentioned. I know for sure that there is no written evidence to verify the quote "...a connection between Betar and the ruling Kadima party...". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.107.216 (talk) 22:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat obvious bias

The article's reference to 'retribution' bombings against arab civilians, supposedly in response to 'massacres' is full of weasel words. Firstly, in every conflict every side calls their attacks retribution. I believe this word should be used with extreme caution, and certainly not in this case. The use of 'arab' in this article is also somewhat dehumanizing - it feels 'palestinian arab' or another such specific label would both be more accurate, and more clear. The use of 'bombing' when referring to attacks against Arabs, and 'massacres' when referring to attacks against Jews, is obvious POV. I realize this is an article primarily of interest to Zionists, but I don't believe such pervasive slanting belongs on wikipedia.

reference links that kind of stink

A number of the links go to the "parking" pages with the ubiquitous "sponsored listings" and other ugly stuff. Anyone know if these are actually "owned" by the right groups, and merely on hold for a bit? If not, maybe it's time to clear them out of here. Typical example: the "betaramerica.com" link. wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

This article is badly in need of in-line references, particularly given its length. Mtsmallwood (talk) 11:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]