Talk:Richard Kuklinski

Corroboration

Has anything that might make this person worthy of a Wikipedia article been corroborated outside of the HBO interviews? It seems likely to me that he is low-rent psychopath who conned HBO into thinking he was something greater than he was.

Is there a record of a mysterious crossbow murder in the 20th century?

Is there a record of poisoning deaths?

What was he sentenced for? 30 murders? 200 murders? 12 million murders? Or a couple murders and a conspiracy charge?

He is a proven liar, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.40.132 (talk) 06:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Name

The claim about Steve Austin being inspired by Kuklinski is blatantly false. Austin has said in several interviews that the name came from his wife, a British native, who was familiar with the phrase "stone cold" as opposed to the American "ice cold," and used it in reference to Austin not drinking his tea until several minutes after it had come out of the kettle, hence, letting it get "stone cold."70.241.29.250 00:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

He was not well-liked and he routinely physically and verbally abused his family, often threatening their lives. I'm watching a live interview with his family on CNN right now and they are discussing the fact. --72.66.4.90 01:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC) Brett George

This is true. I saw an interview with Austin and his wife where they discussed the origin of his "stage" name.

Removed the item from article.

Also, stone cold is a part of the American idiom, e.g. "stone cold" killer or "stone cold" dead. Americans never make statements like, "stone cold beer."

And we never call a tea pot anything but...a tea pot.

watch "the stone cold truth" dvd about steve austin you`d hear it from the man himself saya that he formed his wrestling persona after kuklinsky. as far as the name goes i think thats from that cheesy motorbike/ gangsta movie "stone cold" from the early 90`s. and thats the bottom line cause stone cold said so! T

Murdered for Sammy "the Bull"?

Added fact to the speculation that Kuklinski might have been murdered for potentially testifying against Sammy "the Bull" Gravano for the slaying of a police officer a quarter of a century ago. "The Bull" won't get out of prison until he's nearly 90 and, even if convincted of ordering this hit, what more punishment could possibly be inflicted? Even if sentenced to death, the odds of Gravano seeing the inside of the death chamber are ridiculously remote considering the time between a death sentence an execution is between 15 and 20 years.

Besides that, it beggers belief that the Gambino family would care about what happened to a "snitch" who had put their "don" in the gay bar hotel for life--let alone go to the trouble of arranging a murder on his behalf!

PainMan 09:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

It absolutely doesn't make sense PainMan and, to put it bluntly, it was one final grab at attention by Kuklinski. That anyone, whether it's the Mafia or the United States government, would assist Gravano after he betrayed them both is pretty tough to believe. In fact, there is evidence to suggest that the entire plot to frame Gravano for Calabro's murder was originally conceived by a Gambino soldier who was briefly imprisoned with Kuklinski by the name of Robert Bisaccia. More on this topic can be read at the following link: http://www.ganglandnews.com/column363.htm. Dugrad 16:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Re-write?

Incoherent and awkward writing style. can someone re-write?

I thought it was fine67.42.181.87 (talk) 02:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it really is a shitty write up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.174.201 (talk) 07:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that this article is terrible. it follows no pattern, and does not stress any of the facts e.g. could be split inot confirmed killings, then the ones he claimed he was part of. it needs to be stressed more that there is little evidence behind many of his claims - the article is misleading and poorly written. needs to be structured and references more linked to text. anyone willing to take up challenge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.181.249 (talk) 19:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Image

The mug shot in this article appears to be taken from a television frame-capture of a video recording of the actual photo. Surely, Wiki can do better than this. Can anyone procure a scan of the original mug shot? Alvis 06:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Mister Softee

The part where it makes note about Richard Kuklinski using the Mister Softee van for some of his murders, my understanding from reading the book 'Ice Man' (Author Philip Carlo, Publishers St. Martin's Griffin (September 18, 2007 Paperback Reprint) , St. Martin's Press (July 1, 2006 Hardcover), was that Mister Softee was only used by Robert Pronge.

They may have tagged along with one another on killing sprees, but I'm pretty sure (going off memory) that Richard did not confess to using Mister Softee for his own killings.

Perhaps there may be an misunderstanding on Kuklinski's encounter of the Mister Softee era? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nez trikki (talk • contribs) 03:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC) Mr. Softee was Robert Prongay not Pronge and when exactly did Prongay ask Kuklinski to kill Ellen and either of his 2 children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.93.32 (talk) 17:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Family?

Why isnt there any details about his family(Wife, children)? 151.197.14.192 (talk) 07:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Annisina

Filmed?

This is not a criticism of this article, but a discussion on the topic of filming a victim.

He stated in an interview that he left a Super 8 camera running and thereby filmed a man's being devoured by rats in a cave.

A common Super 8 film reel is only about 3 minutes long. Even the largest film magazine he would have had would not have been longer than ten minutes.

So he would not have filmed much without being present to change reels the entire time.

Add to this that even the fastest exposure film would not produce an image in such low-light conditions, unless we are to believe that he used lighting.

And where would he have had such a film processed?

So this most sensational claim is dubious.

--APDEF (talk) 16:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This claim, as with most of his other claims such as involvement in the Carmine Galante and Jimmy Hoffa hits, is nonsense. There is a 2005 Bollywood film that i have seen which has the same scene in it. In the end of the movie, the heroine ties her backstabbing boyfriend with a rope and leaves him to be devoured by rats in a cave. I am not trying to say for a fact that Kuklinski copied the scene from a Bollywood movie. It could have been the other way around. However, the similarities are ironical. Joyson Noel (talk) 16:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

General Conversation About Kuklinski No one will ever be able to figure out exactly which murders he had done or if he was involved in the Paul Casteleno hit, etc. But it is obvious that Kuklinski was an above average hitman, because seeing that he could afford an upper middle class lifestyle during the time and knowing that his main business was murder, he must have been well known amongst the various crime families, and making a substantial amount of money. Saying that he was even a back-up shooter is a vary likely story, if not one of the main shooters in the hit, as even high ranking associate Joe Watts was accused of being a back-up shooter during that notorious murder. Bottom line is he probably was involved in a lot of murders that by others looked substantial, but to him didn't mean much as not being able to be a made member and have allegience to one of the LCN familes. However it is a possibility that later on, once seeing that telling extended tales of the truth might be entertaining to himself, he gave a little something more to the audience. Then again with every lie there is a grain of truth, so most of what he says is probably true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.206.148.46 (talk) 15:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

(It should be noted that in 2006 Gravano was serving a 19 year prison sentence for running an Embassy Suites in Arizona)

What?

Yes, this needs explanation. As far as I know, running an upscale chain hotel is not not illegal. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 23:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Cite tags

I added a fact tag to the part about him using strips of rawhide. He did admit to tying them up, but he never mentions rawhide. SteveB67 (talk) 02:47, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

and who ever put that he--WerLdWyde (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC) had his first murder at thirteen is fucking dumb. he did his first murder in a bar by hitting the guy with a que stick a few too many times ass he said it.

mafia or police nick name

By all other mafiosa he was known as 'the polack'. It was only the investigating police that dubbed him the Ice Man. Surely therefore his actual nickname should be put in place of the latter. Just a suggestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.200.243 (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Both names should be used, because both were given to him. That's like saying john gotti shouldn't be called the Dapper Don, or the Teflon Don, instead of Johnny Boy, or Gotti, or whatever.

DELETE PAGE

Page should be reduced to a mere paragraph summary. There is no point in having an entire unreferenced article written in a narrative form. There is no hard evidence to back up many of his claims, and this makes for an appalling read. This kind of page is what makes wikipedia unreliable, i cant believe some people find it acceptable to place in an encyclopedia.

The page will not be deleted. And your adding unsourced and redundant information is against Wikipedia policy. Ward3001 (talk) 19:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes if you'd been a little more patient i was trying to trying to find what little sources that exist to reference what i had written. It was more factual than anything already written, its an absolute disgrace. You deleted my info within seconds, how the hell am i supposed to rectify this shambolic page with you on the scene. I give up, have your unreliable page, its all shite. And he killed his first victim at 14, maybe you should read the book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanmullery (talk • contribs) 21:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you hear what the new jersey organized crime task force would have to say about this evil man, and I can assure you most of what is released with exception to philip carlos book, because I am not sure about that, is true. They would not have wasted all that time moving slowly and methodically if he wasn't a big time hitman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.193.254 (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)