Talk:PlayStation 3

MGS4 is best selling game

4.5 million copies. http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/4569.html68.186.148.135 (talk) 21:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'm tired of this BS. (This has been discussed far too many times on this talk page.) Can we just remove the old best selling game note on the info box until someone can find a legitimate, non-misleading source for another game? KhalfaniKhaldun 22:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

There, there, don't be harsh on the anonymous. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 22:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Haha, sorry, it wasn't directed specifically towards this one, but more toward the hundred people in total that have brought this up. =P But seriously, can't we just get rid of the minor - but for some reason frequently disputed - item? KhalfaniKhaldun 23:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean remove the "Best-selling game"/topgame parameter from Template:Infobox Information appliance? Because that's what I think should be done, since a majority of the console articles that use that infobox parameter don't have a source that specifically states that the title listed is the console's best-selling game, just a source that says it sold X number of copies. --Silver Edge (talk) 05:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. KhalfaniKhaldun 05:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm in agreement that the "best-selling" game is getting really irritating. Thing is, if we do it for this article, we'll need to remove the "best-selling" game from the articles for the other systems. I think that it is humanly impossible to keep track of such popular titles considering that we have no definitive way of confirming such sales. (Psychoneko (talk) 08:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC))

I've brought up the issue on the template's talk page and proposed that the infobox be changed. --Silver Edge (talk) 10:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

While Silver Edge is leading the charge on the template itself, can we take a quick vote here to remove it from the PS3 article, at least? My vote is for, since its clearly a topic of frequent contention and doesn't isn't possible to keep track of reliably. KhalfaniKhaldun 00:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

With all respect, this is interesting info to have in the infobox, it should on the other hand be changed to whats right, if its Mgs4, thats what it should say. There will always be info out there of what is correct, don't hide it just because it changes what is the bestselling game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.193.221 (talk)

I think the issue is that we can't say that MGS4 is the best-selling game because we don't have a source that states that it is. But we also can't really say Motorstorm is because the source we have is out-dated. Therefore, we essentially don't know what the best-selling game is so it shoudn't be stated in the article at all... Unless I've completely missed the point?! :) ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 01:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that is the issue. The statement, "there will always be info out there of what is correct," while accurate, is not necessarily helpful. Yes, the information does exist in some form, but whether it's been brought together to actually say "this is the best-selling game," or if it's even available to the public are completely different stories. I'm sure Sony knows exactly what the best-selling game is, but as far as any regular contributors here know it's not been released since the Motorstorm statement two years ago. KhalfaniKhaldun 01:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm in agreement that we should remove it (the statement about the best-selling game) from the infobox. My only gripe is that we do the same for the other articles such as the PS2, Xbox360, and Nintendo Wii. (Psychoneko (talk) 14:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC))

I disagree. If the information is available for the other platforms I see no reason to remove valid, useful information? ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 21:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, the problem is keeping it updated. I don't see a reliable news outlet that actually keeps track of these sales reports aside from sources that don't fall under Wiki's guidelines. (Psychoneko (talk) 05:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC))

I don't follow the other consoles (or their articles) so I don't really know if the information is valid or not. If those articles have the same problem as this one, then yes, maybe the information should be removed from those too, but if they are correct, up to date and souced then I don't think the information should be removed. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 23:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's the problem. I've just tabbed over to the Xbox 360 article and the information listed on the infobox is over a year old. Hence my statement that there isn't a reliable source that keeps track of sales numbers on a consistent basis. (Psychoneko (talk) 06:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC))

The Wii article actually uses the parameter correctly, and even lists two games. Since one was bundled with all the Wiis, I think they thought it appropriate to list that and the one that sold the most on its own. The problem with the 360 source is that it doesn't even say anything about the "best-selling" game, it just list the number of copies that Halo 3 has sold, so it's not a legitimate source either. We can't even just find a source that just tells us the number of copies a game has sold and compare it to other numbers, as that (somewhat justifiably) counts as original research since it is a combination of multiple sources. Unless we find a source that says "x game is the best-selling game on this console," the parameter is virtually useless. KhalfaniKhaldun 18:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not that it's useless or anything but it feels more like it hasn't been researched properly. There's no systematic method to check on this particular parameter and none of the available sources have put in the effort and resources to keep track of such numbers. I'd say that the only ones who do have access to all the hard numbers are the game publishers or console makers (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) but it's hard to get a decent white paper out of them for various reasons. What we need is a database that can keep track of this but no one seems to be interested in making it. (Psychoneko (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC))

For all we know, during this discussion, Killzone 2 could have reached bestseller. Ffgamera (talk) 12:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

What is the dispute here? If you can cite Reliable Source A which states that Game X has sold 4.5 million units and is the top selling game on the platform, then put the data (sales number and the date of the reference) in with an inline citation, and update it when the information changes. If an editor later finds at Reliable Source B that Game Y has sold 5 million units, but Reliable Source B does not state that Game Y is the highest selling game on the platform, then he's not allowed to replace the data from Reliable Source A, and should be reverted if he does. Tempshill (talk) 18:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

• Sales figures from Konami, http://www.konami.co.jp/en/ir/ir-data/meeting/2009/0514.pdf MGS4 @ 4.75M Magasin (talk) 06:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto 4 hits 13 million (50/50)

Take-Two: GTAIV Sales Split Almost 50/50 Between PS3/360. This means that GTA4 has sold at least 6 million for the PS3. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 08:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Can we use this as a source for best-selling game? ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 10:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately it doesn't explicitly state that it's the best-seller, and comparing it to all the other sources we have to determine that it is the best-seller constitutes a violation of Wikipedia OR/synthesis rules. I really wish Sony would just release their top-sellers list every quarter so we wouldn't have this problem. =( KhalfaniKhaldun 16:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Look, cant we just at least delete the Motorstorm figure? It's really agitating seeing that there. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 12:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

PS3/360 Gap

Just as a side comment, I think the most interesting piece of information in this article that we actually can use is that the PS3/360 gap is down to 7mil and still shrinking. =D KhalfaniKhaldun 16:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I think this should be its own section but yeah, that's pretty impressive considering the PS3's price point, something that a lot of analysts have neglected/ignored/forgotten. (Psychoneko (talk) 14:11, 20 March 2009 (UTC))

I don't know what mags you read but there's few people that have neglected or forgotten the PS3's price point. It's the only real argument against the thing. Every aspect of it screams "Buy Me". Streaming audio/video, Blu-Ray player, Next Gen game console...price point is the only thing I hear from the nay-sayers. Padillah (talk) 12:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Where are my edits goin? mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

@Padillah - I'm saying that a lot of newsgroups track the number of consoles sold without mentioning the price tag of the respective systems. Had they tracked the type of SKU sold as well, then we might have a better idea of the relative positions each console with respect to their weight in price. This means that we can normalize the numbers to better understand consumer demand and purchasing habits. It may seem like a lame thing to do, but normalizing different sets of data is a fairly routine procedure for various users. (143.89.190.40 (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC))

God damn it, I wish Wikipedia would let me stay logged on forever. (Psychoneko (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC))

Still no joy? If anyone's got any, give us a bell asap. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 19:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

From what I hear, naysayers say more than just about the price.
1. There are apparently no games for the console.
2. The hardware is either too good to be true, false, or exaggerated.
3. Blu-ray Disc is not a revolution in technology.
4. The Cell Broadband Engine is not as powerful as the Xenos.
5. PlayStation Network is nowhere near as good as Xbox Live.

I could go on forever. The point is, people just find more reasons to try and cover up PS3's technology, power and quality. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The conversation above doesnt sound POV neutral. Wikipedia is not a forum for advocates to present a "sales pitch". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.90.141.166 (talk) 21:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk pages don't have to be POV neutral, but you're right, they do have to stay on the topic of improving the article. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 21:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Right. But this basically reads as collusion by these editors to crate a Posivite-POV article. The discussion page's POV is not really relevant, but these people are literally plotting to make the *article* an advocacy piece. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.46.67 (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Not really. From a statistics point of view, this would be an interesting exercise, especially for market analysts. I mean, we have things like GDP, power purchasing parity and various other statistics that the CIA compiles and publishes (for its World Factbook) and other statistical values that are used in other industries and more recently in major sports teams so it stands to reason that adding price points to the data would add an invaluable insight that currently doesn't exist for the console market. Bottom line is, number-crunching is an invaluable tool for analysts and scientists and I doubt it it will ever go away. (Psychoneko (talk) 02:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC))

Technical Specs - Internal I/O architecture/technology used

Does anyone have info the internal I/O architecture used by the PS3? Is it HyperTranport, PCIe, or Sony proprietary? I believe that the table summarizing the tech specs (at the start of the article) should include the bus transport technology used. If I find it, I'll add it in myself, in the meantime if a PS3 HW 'expert' can fill in that that info, that would be good too. 66.130.154.212 (talk) 23:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I used to have a PDF with all the details somewhere... I'll see if I can find it. I'd ask my friend's dad who works for IBM and actually drew up the original designs for the PS3 system hardware on his own laptop, but that would be original research. =/ KhalfaniKhaldun 17:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

playing video content through the PS3 web browser from your local web server

I wrote a small article about how to make your vista PC and IIS7 deliver video content of upto HD quality to the PS3 web browser. This negates the need to use the media player to view video and therefore DLNA and UPnP are not needed. This helps with playing to PS3 as there will be no more DLNA errors when using this solution.

I want to add this to the main page, but worry that it will be gone before I blink.

Anyhow, the need for this to be added to the main article is that you can use all of the media player HDD play capibilities from the playstation controls when launching a movie file from the web server using the playstation netfront web browser. This posibility is not listed on the wiki page and is not known about by most PS3 users.

http://phat-reaction.com/how-to-play-all-types-of-video-through-your-playstation-3-using-windows-vista-and-iis7/

There is video on youtube also on how to do this process and video playing through the web browser. So you can see it in action working. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxP93C7Olpk

It does not need IIS7, any HTTP (web) server will do.

Can someone help me in the placement of this information in the main page of the playstation 3 on wikipedia or suggest where to put this information. 85.144.194.211 (talk) 22:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 85.144.194.211 (talk) 22:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The reason it would be "gone before [you] blink," is because as you also said, "[it] is not known about by most PS3 users." Since it isn't functionality that the PS3 was originally meant to use or developed by Sony, it needs to achieve notability and be covered in a few reliable secondary sources before it would be considered for appropriate inclusion in the article. In less wiki-fied speak, we want to make sure that it becomes popular and mainstream before adding it to the article - Wikipedia isn't a route to advertise this functionality. KhalfaniKhaldun 01:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks loads, I'll have a look around to see whats going on in the field before reporting back here. I have see a few blog items and things in this direction, but not too much. Anyhow, before I go any further I'll get some more opinion from this talk forum. Thanks again.

85.144.194.211 (talk) 12:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I've found some additional information that is notable and reliable and not me :)

quote from text

"Using the Internet browser, you can now play a linked video file* as it is being downloaded.

• Some types of video files cannot be viewed in this manner and must be downloaded completely before playback. "

See the Network section of PS3™ System Software Update 2.20 on this page

http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/SystemUpdates/PS3/history.html

2. source from Sony Quote "# Depending on the data type, some files may not be playable or some control panel options may not function during playback." "# Some video files distributed over the Internet have playback restrictions. For details, contact the content provider."

From hints section http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/video/filetypes.html

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet running your own server in your home network makes it an intranet, but you are the content provider.

4. Personal choice here, I believe that the playstation is not only a games computer and sony marketed for ages to Video watching people, who might like to game also. See blu-ray. http://www.whathifi.com/Review/Sony-PlayStation3-80GB/ . And I believe we will see in future much more use of the brower as a play device for sony content of all descriptions, not just games.

So for me given these sources, it should be in there. You can use the browser to access video on websites, not just flash, all supported content types. what do you think? 85.144.194.211 (talk) 22:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

85.144.194.211 (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC) not had any feedback in months on this item, so I shall be adding it to the main page. Will be dissapointed if it is removed by anyone as there has been more than adquate time to respond and say their piece.

As there is no challangers now. It is safe to say that this information is true and does represent the capibilties/features of PS3

Special Edition Final Fantasy VII playstation 3

theres a playstation 3 special editon for the remake of the final fantasy VII movie, "final fantasy VII advent children Complete". Is this the right place to mention it? i believe so, the Xbox article showed a special edition Simpsons Xbox so why not here for final fantasy VII. discussDeathBerry talk 16:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe the console is "Cloud Black" so it is unique. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 12:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

SDHC?

There seems to be some confusion as to whether the flash-card carrying models, or at least the 40GB & 80GB versions, sport SDHC compatibility. What's the current status of these devices vis a vis SDHC? MrZaius^talk 07:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The PS3 web browser is not based on NetFront.

The PlayStation 3 (PS3) web browser is mistakenly being described as a NetFront-based browser, whereas it is an internally developed browser. This NetFront rumor likely came about because the PlayStation Portable (PSP) browser is in fact a NetFront-based browser. Sony's Izumi Kawanishi has stated that the PS3 browser was developed internally based on software from their web device group. Reference: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/1219/mobile360.htm. Also, you can tell it's not NetFront because it simply acts differently with non-trivial pages. Lastly, a Sony rep personally told me this today as part of a tech support response.

Can we get this mistake rectified? It's been propagated quite a bit around the Internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OutlawSipper (talk • contribs) 07:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe it is a Netfront browser but we don't have a reliable source either way. The link you provided isn't from a well-known/respected source and isn't in English. I'll just remove "Netfront" as we can't cite "in-house" or "Netfront". ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 08:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Europe sales

I can't find anywhere in the source that says the PS3 has 8.5 million units sold in Europe. The number itself seems a little high. Can someone double-check the figure? Mahanga^Talk 03:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's an article from about a year ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7386879.stm . That said, I don't think it's unusual for the PS3 to have sold 8.5 million units by now. (Psychoneko (talk) 10:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC))

Actually, ignore the BBC article, I was drunk when I posted that. http://kotaku.com/5222722/lifetime-pal-console-sales-figures-get . (Psychoneko (talk) 10:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC))

vgcharts.org puts European sales at 10.7 million, though I don't know when that was last updated.

Side Bar

Unfortunately, the ps3 has a number of processors. Is their a seperate article which details the hardware architecture, or even one for the xbox. Its a PowerPC processor is also part of the processor architecture. scope_creep (talk) 19:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Ignore the above. Found the hardware page. scope_creep (talk) 19:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

PS3's Main article has wrong selling information

Playstation 3's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3) main article is giving a wrong information with a missleading reference.

At the main summary box it says that "Motorstorm game" is the best selling video game of the system as of December 31 of 2008; the problem is that the reference used for such statement is linking an "Edge Magazine's" article made in December 30 of 2007. How can an article from 2007 afirm sells made in 2008, that doesn't make sense.

Such statement should be fixed.

pirulee (talk) 14:44, 08 May 2009 (UTC)

Sales update?

Any idea when there will be a sales update for the ps3, as there has not been one since December 31st, 2008. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 18:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Next week. Dancter (talk) 18:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Cheers. That info has been helpful. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 18:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Another source says MGS 4.7m

from Gamasutra: "PS3 exclusive Metal Gear Solid 4 has now reached 4.75 million units worldwide, says Konami, touting MGS's strength as a "brand" on the same day a teaser website for the next Kojima Productions title is unveiled -- with more details promised to reveal at the site tomorrow." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.81.47 (talk) 11:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Apparently, Konami says so too. http://www.konami.co.jp/en/ir/ir-data/meeting/2009/0514.pdf Magasin (talk) 06:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

So, once again people are failing to recognize that Konami is only reporting the total sales of the whole genre/series, not MGS4. Read that report again and tell me exactly where it says that MGS4 sold 4.75 million copies. Because I found the chart that listed the series as selling that amount, but not that specific game. That only supports the "Gamasutra misinterpreted their statement" view.

As an aside, it still really doesn't matter how much they have sold. In order to list a game as the highest-selling, there has to be a source that says it is so, otherwise it qualifies as original research. KhalfaniKhaldun 06:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

In that case, Motorstorm should also be removed, as the source does not specifically state that it is the best-selling title on the system. Also, the latest numbers from Plyphony Digital says that Gran Turismo 5 Prologue has sold 3.67 million copies. http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html Lars Holm (talk) 08:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Technical Problems

There is no mention in the article about the Yellow Light of Death (YLOD) which indicates a general hardware failure on the PS3.

There is ample discussion of this matter and a wide body of citations available;

Currently 9M returns for "yellow light of death"

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=yellow+light+of+death&form=QBLH&filt=all

and 1.9M returns for "yellow light of death"

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=yellow+light+of+death&meta=&aq=f&oq=

There is also zero mention the bricking problems Sony has while updating PS3 firmware. There is ample discussion of this matter and a wide body of citations available, this is but one;

http://gizmodo.com/5021399/playstation-3-firmware-24-bricking-some-ps3s

Something should be mentioned in a new section, titled "Technical Problems". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.90.141.16 (talk • contribs)

Addition of "YLOD" has been discussed here in the past and the main reason it hasn't been included is that there weren't any reliable, notable sources discussing it. It's mainly talk on forums and on fansites which is original research and therefore cannot be used. I don't know if this is still the case but as far as I know, the problem hasn't been widely reports by the likes of Gamespot, 1UP, Gamasutra, etc. People have suggested that it should be included because RROD is mentioned on the Xbox articles and the response to that has been that while YLOD is known among PS3 users, it isn't nearly on the scale of RROD which was very widely reported on in both the gaming and mainstream media and it's notability has therefore not been so strongly established. Regarding the firmware update that "bricked" some consoles. This is covered in the PlayStation 3 system software article. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 21:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

A huge problem with the video game industry is fanboyism. Criticizing a product is basically a declaration of war. Anyway, the problem is at least known and suggested. I found this briefly searching for a reliable source. Maybe add a little blurb about it being suggested? --Phil1988 (talk) 01:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait, let me get this straight: you think we should include a blurb about how high hardware fault rates have been suggested, but proven wrong? That sounds kinda like a little bit of undue weight to me. Every piece of hardware that is ever mass produced has a certain failure rate, and unless that failure rate is oddly high (like the 360) it's not going to be notable enough to mention at all. =/ KhalfaniKhaldun 02:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

To the anonymous, here are a few links that you might want to read more seriously so that you can better understand why the YLOD isn't a significant enough of a problem to be included in the article:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/36070/98/

http://blog.squaretrade.com/2008/02/xbox-360-issues.html

full report: http://squaretradebuyerblog.typepad.com/squaretrade/2008/02/xbox-fail-rates.html

Most consumer electronics industries expect a failure rate of 1 to 5 percent, which is perfectly acceptable. The PS3 has a failure rate of roughly 3% whereas the 360 has a rather disturbing failure rate of over 10% (the established 16.4% from the 2008 research and the rumored 33% often announced by retailers and service centers). Comparatively speaking, which of the two carries more weight in a class-action lawsuit: the PS3's 3% or the Xbox360's 16.4%? Also, we have public records of class-action lawsuits brought against Microsoft that specifically questioned the Xbox360's build quality. We don't have any such records for Sony's PS3 nor do we have any such records for Nintendo's Wii. Since the media isn't interested in a 3% fail rate, it's no wonder why the YLOD isn't mentioned in this article. (Psychoneko (talk) 15:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC))

Consistency with MGS4 sales

The MGS4 page 4.75 million sales...but the best selling PS3 game is MotorStorm with 3.31 million..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.13.103 (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

It does not say that. It says "The game has been a driving force behind sales of the Metal Gear franchise, helping it to sales of over 4.75 million units since April 2008". The franchise sold 4.75m. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 12:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

ChimpanzeeUK, your not even a gamer so do not talk back. MGS 3 alone sold 5 million copies, and your telling me that the Whole MGS franchise sold 4.75 million copies? Please note, the signature button is not working, probably a bug.

Sources stating MGS 4 selling around 4 - 4.5 million copies. http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/metal-gear-solid-4-sells-45-million-as-konamis-profits-rise-17/?biz=1 http://www.gamespot.com/news/6204195.html http://www.aol.com.au/games/story/Metal-Gear-Solid-4-Sells-45-Million-as-Konamis-Profits-Rise-17/1646661/index.html

There you have it, MGS 4 is the best selling ps3 game.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafichamp (talk • contribs)

So, about those articles: Gamespot's article echos the fact that all the report gave was data about the whole series; the Game Daily article says its source is the Konami end of year financial report, but I've read the report and it never once mentions just MGS4 so it's clearly yet another misinterpretation; and the AOL article is just a copy of the Game Daily article report. On top of all this, as long as no source actually states that MGS4 is the top-selling game, saying that it is in the article based on analyzing numbers from various sources is a violation of WP:SYNTH.

As a side note, please watch your tone when addressing other users. Being a bit friendlier helps keep everybody happier, and it's really not that hard. KhalfaniKhaldun 07:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Lol. Whatever you say buddy. Like Khalfani said, all of the articles you cited either refernece the finiacial report directly or if they don't it's safe to assume that that was their source given the dates and numbers meaning that they have all misinterpreted the report. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 13:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

ChimpanzeeUK and Khalfani have already refuted Rafichamp's "argument", but I want my turn, dammit. Even if we make the assumption that MGS4 did indeed sell 4.75 million copies, how would you know that some other game hasn't sold more? I mean, there's anecdotal "evidence" and hearsay that GTA4 sold over 5 million copies, but why is no one championing that game as the most sold? Or, what if some unknown game has actually sold more than this supposed 4.75 million figure, but no one has mad a song and dance about it, thus, no one knows it's sold more? Unless a reliable source explicitly states MGS4 is the best-selling PS3 game, it shouldn't be listed as such (even if the 4.75 million figure is true; which it isn't). 123.211.141.151 (talk) 13:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is Motorstorm then even allowed to be there in the first place? The source used only claims that Motorstorm was a "chart topper", which does absolutely not in any way confirm it as the best-selling game of all time, because that's not even what chart topper means. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chart_topper Lars Holm (talk) 07:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Well then, it should indeed be rightfully removed. I think it was removed one or more times for that very reason, but someone added it back, and no one has bothered to remove it again. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 08:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

How does it work in general?

For those of us who grew up on the Atari 2600 and haven't much upgraded the gaming machine since, it's not clear how games are delivered to the system (probably by Blu Ray/DVD/internet) and what would be stored on the hard drive, so one might select an appropriate size drive. -- User | Talk | Contribs 17:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.62.99.50 (talk)

Responding to the anonymous, what do you mean? Current generation of video game content are delivered through the following methods: traditional retail and online distribution. It would depend entirely on what game you're looking at and which "store" you bought the game from in order to determine the size of the installation, if any. The only company (remaining) that limits the allowed installation sizes is Nintendo. Microsoft used to limit the file sizes of game demos and whatnot on Xbox Live back in the 360's earlier life cycle and has since removed that limit due to developer pressure. I personally don't know how anyone can replace the harddrive on an Xbox 360 without taking the console apart but the PlayStation 3 allows the end-user to replace the harddrive through a specific hatch on the side of the PS3. (Psychoneko (talk) 23:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC))

Fixstars Solutions

Fixstars Solutions should be added to the manufacturers. Fixstars Solutions made the Yellow Dog Linux, which is web browser in Playstation 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KyyhkyBoy (talk • contribs) 20:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Yellow Dog Linux is a distibution of the Linux operating system. Not a web browser. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 00:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Activision wants to call it quits on the Playstation 3 if console price is not lowered.

There is certainly enough bad press on the Playstation 3, but this one caught my eye, enough to actually add this to the talk page.

Read it here: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6531367.ece?print=yes&randnum=1245400825888

To sum it up, Activision is saying that Sony should reduce the Playstation 3's price point. This is a major blow, because Activision is one of their largest developers, whether or not their games are good. The Legacy (talk) 23:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say this is a major blow, as it is just talk at this point. It may just be a negotiation ploy to convince Sony to lower prices. See the Ars Technica article. 140.172.225.35 (talk) 21:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I see it as a negotiation ploy from Activision. There's a large enough user-base for the PlayStation 3 that simply cannot be ignored, especially not in this global slump. (Psychoneko (talk) 00:38, 26 June 2009 (UTC))

It's not just price, data should be presented on how the removal of PS2 backward compatibility is affecting sales of PS3s. Activision should be asking to add back features to the PS3, not just cutting prices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.33.226 (talk) 01:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I see it as Activison testing to see how far they can stick their hand in the trap before it springs. Really, they have no right to tell Sony to lower costs of the PS3. In that case, they should tell Microsoft to quit charging their users for Xbox Live. 166.102.225.41 (talk) 20:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Thing about Live is that the ads are covered by the membership fee so it sort of makes perverse business sense to advertise to consumers who foot the advertising bill. PSN's advertisements are more in line with traditional advertising protocol where the advertiser foots the bill to have an ad placed on the network. (Psychoneko (talk) 11:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC))

VidZone release countries

VidZone

This was not released in New Zealand as was expected. The final release countries were UK, Ireland, Australia, Italy, France, Spain and Germany. The quote from the EU blog “The reasons we’re only launching in those countries for the time being,” added Russo, “are largely to do with sourcing local advertising that is relevant and appropriate. We can’t wait to roll out in the remaining territories though; we’ll bring you more information when we have it.”

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2009/06/04/e3-interview-vidzone/#more-1267

Tig3rfang (talk) 02:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I would like to make an edit to PS3 succeeding the PS2

As the new PlayStation3 systems no longer have any PlayStation 2 compatibilities so instead of leaving it as "and the successor to the Playstation 2" in the PS3 article should it be edited as "and it is currently supplemented with the PlayStation 2"? Any admin on Project PlayStation agree with that? Kyrios320 (talk) 04:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see that the lack of PS2 compatibility in the newer PS3 models makes it any less of a successor. It will ultimately replace the PS2 when it's lifecycle ends but there's a period of overlap where both are supported. Either way, "successor" doesn't dictate that both can't exist at the same time, or that they have to be compatible. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 07:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

PS3 Slim

Beware but some sites are suggesting that a slim lined version will be released in the next 1-2 months. I'm not adding this info to the article unless it is true, but beware. [1][2][3] -- [[ axg ⁞⁞ talk ]] 21:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

It's just a rumor, until something is officially announced by Sony it shouldn't be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.52.188.126 (talk) 13:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

At this point, we're considering it to be a rumour but considering that Ars Technica's mole has an impressive record of predicting the behaviors and actions of the console makers (Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony), it's a rumour that many people have taken fairly seriously. Problem is, without hard evidence, it'll just be a rumour. I think Joystiq or Kotaku had an article about FoxConn and another company recently signing another contract with Sony for production runs of the PlayStation 3 console. The thing we don't know at the moment is _which_ PlayStation 3 console was just signed into production. (Psychoneko (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC))

at this point there's about half a dozen photographs of the slim models floating around the net. imho there's enough reliable info to just add it to the article, but i really don't feel like adding the info and then arguing with editors about whether or not the guy who leaked the info about the PSP GO is a reliable/valid source.99.153.29.112 (talk) 05:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Should an interesting read... http://www.wmorefresher.com/2009/07/you-lookin-good-baby-oh-yeah-im-on-that.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.34.68 (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

slim version was recently added to the german amazon.com, however the pics have been removed. kinda silly that slim version still isn't mentioned in the article anywhere due to the mountains of evidence that it will most likely be released within the next couple of months.99.153.29.112 (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

"german amazon.com" eh? its called amazon germany, or even amazon.de ;p Suggestednickname (talk) 01:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

it's because we haven't had an official source saying it's true. ESTEMSHORN^talk_Sign 18:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

amazon germany has listed playstation 3 slim as a new upcoming article now, was in the news everywhere online, no dates or prices or much details yet though. http://www.amazon.de/dp/B002JM1GPU Suggestednickname (talk) 01:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

PS3 Units Sold. As of March 31, 2008 the PlayStation 3 Sold 22.73 Million

As of March 31, 2008 the PlayStation 3 Sold 22.73 Million Units.
Shown on the official Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Website
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisishot12 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Editing PlayStation 3

I would like to edit the image of the Playstation 3 by either replacing the main picture or adding a second one. I would like to do so because it would help show the PS3 more and the picture shows much more detail.

Picture: [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kryticate (talk • contribs) 07:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. That image is no-doubt copyrighted. As there is a suitable, free (non-copyrighted) image available the use of the copyrighted one couldn't be justified under fair use. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 07:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Backward Compatibility

Could someone please put more info on this into the article?; I still do not understand exactly how the PS One compatibility works. PalkiaX50 (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

It says at the bottom of the comparison table that all models have PlayStaiton One compatibility. I don't know how it would be made clearer? Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 11:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

It is adequately covered, but Palkia is right - It could certainly be made to jump out at the reader more effectively. I didn't see the line in question at all on my first couple of read-throughs while weighing my own purchasing decision. Listing the "no" ones as "PSOne only" would fix the confusing undue weight issue described above, making both answers clear from the chart proper, not solely available in the buried sub-footnotes prose section: See this edit. If my edit isn't allowed to stand, we might consider adding a footnote in the grey box clarifying PSOne compatibility and attempting to fix the weight issues by moving the prose above the chart. MrZaius^talk 11:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, is the PSone backward compatability only for certain games? For some reason I cant get FF8 to work yet 6, 7 and 9 do. The PSone screen doesn't come up, i just get a black screen. It could just be my disk but I am curious to know if the PS2 backwards compatability is only for certain games the PSone might be too. Dark verdant (talk) 11:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It's more likely to be a limitation of the software emulator, but it's odd that you don't even get the menu. From the Compatibility tool:

"Throughout gameplay, when the user's party encounters a random enemy in the "world map", and the “pre-battle” transition screen appears, approximately 40 - 60% of the “pre-battle” transition screen appears black, and the remaining portion of the screen appears corrupted."

That said, this isn't a forum and we probably ought to just let this go after linking to press coverage of the tool. MrZaius^talk 12:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

All PS3s have PS1 compatibility (with their respective region-lock). Not all PS3s have PS2 compatibility. I seriously wish that people would use the friggin' model number (i.e. CECHExx or CECHAxx) when talking about compatibility because it gets repetitive and annoying really quickly. (Psychoneko (talk) 11:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC))

Energy Consumption

I think it is also important to mention that the PS3 consumes about 5 times as much energy as a refrigerator, thats 10 times that amount of a Wii! [5] --LOctopus (talk) 03:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately it's totally untrue...

PS3 is about 100w (the 80GB units at least). A refrigerator used approx half that. However your refrigerator is on 24x7 and your PS3 is not... You should stop listening to fanboy FUD. FYI the XBox consumes double the power of the latest PS3, due to Microsofts inability to improve the Xbox production process

So possibly the fridge part may have been false, but the test is found here: [6] LOctopus (talk) 03:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

The test on your link did not specify which models of the Xbox 360 or the PlayStation 3 were used for the test, so current models are to likely have different figures. The test also did not elaborate on how they came to get such numbers, so those statistics are not safe to use. 166.102.225.41 (talk) 20:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Best selling-game

Added Gran Turismo 5: Prologue with a reliable source by Polyphony Digital. --Ciao 90 (talk) 11:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The source provided does not actually state that GT5p is the best selling PS3 game, so it should be removed. 123.211.141.151 (talk) 06:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Mgs4 has sold about 5 million copies, so thats the most selling ps3 game. 83.108.193.157 (talk) 01:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

IPv6

Does it support IPv6? Maybe it should be said if it does or not. 92.206.50.120 (talk) 08:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it does, though the IPv6 support is much more important when dealing with ISPs and infrastructure than from end-users. (Psychoneko (talk) 11:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC))