Talk:Croatia

This requires a little correction...

"In 1941-1945, during World War II, an Axis puppet state known as the Independent State of Croatia existed. During that period, NDH authorities killed between 330,000 and 380,000 Serbs within what is today territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia"

If we mention the NDH than the crimes committed by Ustashe regime should also be including the other nationalities Roma, Jews etc. Because then, it would show how big the atrocities of this regime which all Croats are ashamed of were. This way it implicitly portraits Serbs as victims in a place which is not appropriate. There is a separate article which talks about relations between Croats and Serbs, so I propose we change it into:

"In 1941-1945, during World War II, an Axis puppet state known as the Independent State of Croatia existed. During that period, NDH authorities killed between 330,000 and 380,000 Serbs, Jews, Roma and political opponents within what is today territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia"

This is more historically correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.22.208 (talk) 00:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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So how does the individual with the above comments define "historical correctness", if it includes mentioned hyper-inflated numbers of Ustashe victims which is not backed up with independently conducted demographic research Google Vladimir Zerjavic +Bogoljub Kocovic (a Croat and Serb respectively) and focus solely on the crimes of the Axis and their collaborators?

It's nothing but POV and even a bit tad hypocritical for this individual to lecture today's Croats of "the atrocities of this (NDH) regime which all Croats are ashamed of were", in light of not only the recent 1990s' wars, but also due to the non-mentioned other WWII crimes of the predominantly Serbian Chetniks and the multinational Partizans. Recently a mass grave of those Croats who served in the NDH's armed forces was discovered. http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/263634,ww-ii-winners-also-filled-mass-graves--feature.html.

It's like as though Serb POV pushers as usual multiply the WWII crimes of the Ustashe, (they're not even consistent with their victim "estimations" e.g. 350,000, 500,000, 750,000, or even as high as 2 million, take your pick) while at the same time downplaying, or even whitewashing the crimes of their own side. Funny how these Holocaust institutions don't pay enough attention to such "deniar" research, while they themselves quotes these hyper-inflated figures. Too bad even the West German government bothered to demand of the Yugoslav communist regime to conduct their own research on the accurate number of victims of WWII-era Yugoslavia to ascertain the amount of reparations to be paid by the BRD to Yugoslavia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.170.26 (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Estimates by Holocaust institutions

The Yad Vashem center claims that over 500,000 Serbs were killed in the Independent State of Croatia, including those who were killed at Jasenovac, where approximately 600,000 victims of all ethnicities were killed. [64] Some Croatian commentators and holocaust revisionists have criticized these victim counts as exaggerated. [65][66]. The same figures are concluded by the Simon-Wiesentall center. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, also citated in quote by the Jewish virtual library, the victim figures are as follows: ...The Croat authorities murdered between 330,000 and 390,000 ethnic Serb residents of Croatia and Bosnia during the period of Ustaša rule; more than 30,000 Croatian Jews were killed either in Croatia or at Auschwitz-Birkenau.[67]

source: | Jasenovac@Wikipedia

So, you see, most conservative estimation is: ~330,000 to 380,000 killed Serbs + ~30,000 jews + ~20,000 romas +~15,000 croats and others, which NOT equals (≠) 330,000 to 380,000 serbs + jews + romas + croats + others killed by Independent State of Croatia. Do the math.

By the way, why´s www.holocaustresearchproject/.org on a blacklist? 94.189.231.6 (talk) 06:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Could We Please get This Article Semi-Protected

The vandalism here is rampant, almost to the point of psychotic. The edit battles taking place are of no help to the article, whether by Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Bosnians, or anyone else. We need to stick to facts, and only the facts. When someone wants to add, "Heroj Gotivina" to the article, or edit/add facts about the War of Independenc; who was right, who was wrong, etc., it is not helping the image of the Croatian people in any way. As an American of Croatian descent, it is absolute lunacy to engage in edit wars over this article. Facts are facts, and if backed up by credible, professional sources, then they should be discussed for addition, both good and bad facts about our history. This goes for all the articles pertaining to the countries of the former SFRY. Nathraq (talk) 21:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

You can ask here - Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Gggh (talk) 20:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Folk dancing

IMO some of the best folk dances are from Croatia. That's just my opinion, but surely folk dancing ought to be mentionned in the section on culture. I'm sure sources can be found for Croatian folk dances included in collections of USA international-folk-dance classes, and for Croatian folk dances actively performed in Croatia, such as occasionally shown on the "Croatian Magazine" program on KMTP channel 32 in San Francisco on Saturday afternoons at 3PM. Perhaps a query on the folk-dancing newsgroup would turn up a whole bunch of references suitable for allowing this topic to be mentionned in WikiPedia?

198.144.192.42 (talk) Robert Maas, tinyurl.com/uh3t for contact info —Preceding undated comment added 22:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC).

Notable Croats

Is it necessary to have a "Notable Croatians" section in this article? I don't think these lists are standard in country articles, especially with articles like List of Croats. Spellcast (talk) 09:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Agree. I created the section to take the mention of Tesla away from one of the history paragraphs, it was badly written and out of context, so to please whoever could have objected to its removal I put it in a separate section. As you might be aware, articles on Balkan countries are guarded by some amazing chestbeaters, so the mention of Tesla will eventually make its way back into the article, creating more work. You have my support for deleting the section. Brutaldeluxe (talk) 12:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Looking at featured articles of countries in WP:FA#Geography and places, none of them have such lists, so I'd support removal at this stage. The list of Croats article should be adequate enough. Spellcast (talk) 09:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Stepinac and the massacres

We should have a few references about Stepinac and the persecuted. Poldebol (talk) 10:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

No. This is the article on the current country of Croatia, the history section here is to briefly explain how Croatia got to how it is today, the section is already too long as it is. Brutaldeluxe (talk) 13:46, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps mention of Nikola Tesla born in Croatia?

The greta inventor Nikola tesla(1856-1943) was born in Smiljan,Croatia Theres a museum dedicated to him there. No Mention of this in article Thanks!JANUSROMA (talk) 20:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)