Talk:Child sexual abuse

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Voice changes?

Female victims who were abused before age 12 also will sometimes have a curious vocal inflection recognizable by clinicians, reminiscent of a child speaking, though at present this has not been studied or explained.

-- This appears to me to be spurious. The Squicks (talk) 22:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh it is quite true, and rather creepy when you hear it. The problem is that nobody has formally studied it. There is this call-in radio show out of California where the host is a licensed physician (Loveline) where it comes up all the time. I just need to locate an appropriate clip.

Ok, here is one that illustrates it: [1]

Legitimus (talk) 01:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't dispute that it occurs at some times. At issue is whether or not there is any real proof as to the cause and effect. I don't think any such proof exists, and- thus- the sentence should be taken out. The Squicks (talk) 01:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Interesting link. Thanks for getting it. I personally don't see it as 'creepy' or 'curious'. But that's, of course, a matter of personal reactive opinion (It's the same thing as the fact that I probably would not see someone eating a ice cream sandwhich dipped in cheddar cheese as 'curious' either). The Squicks (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Mary reminds me a whole lot of Blossom Dearie See 'Surry With the Fringe on Top' and 'Figure Eight'. The Squicks (talk) 01:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

It takes a certain level experience to pick it out and differentiate it from an affectation or short statute, and I suppose after that you start developing a subjective reaction to it. Note how Dr. Pinsky (who started this in 1983) was able not only to tell that she was sexually abused, but at what age just from her voice alone. I realize this isn't solid proof, but I would really like the subject to get out there in the public consciousness more.Legitimus (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Is that link corrupted or something? What's with the thing about the 'pony'. Is she so traumatized that she resorted to saying that? Was the station sadistic and decided to place that in? Did someone hack the file to try and be funny?

Oops, that does require some explaining. That random voice in the middle is not the caller "Mary." It is a recorded clip of another caller from long ago (a 27 year old woman who had been severely sexually abused for years). The radio show's engineer often plays it back in the middle of the call for comparison purposes when a caller has the same voice characteristic.Legitimus (talk) 12:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh. Thank you for explaining that for me, as I was very confused. --66.253.36.46 (talk) 13:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Ref. 10 audit

It would want to be authoritative to support such a sweeping claim, which may superficially be intuitive, but ... 1988 doesn't sound like an up-to-date reference. Any more recent ones? Tony (talk) 08:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Inviting a fox into the hen coup

I have what I feel is important observation in this field that is worthy of mention and would like some feedback or sources if possible.

Adult victims who went untreated and undisclosed about their abuse can be a risk factor for their own children. While the majority of victims do not become offenders themselves (see Offenders below), mothers can still be an indirect problem to their children. A frequently observed pattern involves the mother entrusting a romantic partner, coworker, relative or other "trustworthy" person around her child, and then that person sexually abusing that child. In other words, the mother unconsciously "invites a fox into the hen coup." Like clockwork. You encounter a child abused by mom's boyfriend, magically mom was abused too and never treated.

Even in situations wherein the abuse of the child occurred completely outside the mother's actions and control, there often a problem wherein the mother will glibly dismiss the occurrence, feeling it was unremarkable based on her own experience.

The information on fathers and their children is rather limited, in that most single parents are women in the US. That is the reason for referencing a female rather than male in the above.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Legitimus (talk • contribs) 16:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I support the addition of this information to the article. Kathleen Faller (background) calls this the "Stepfather-LTP" relationship (LTP = live-together-partner) and describes it as a high-risk situation, especially if the child had previously been victimized by a prior partner of the mother. She notes that in these situations the "incest taboo is attenuated or does not exist" and that there can be a general blurring of generational boundaries with a significant portion of the perpetrators being younger than the mother.

• Faller, Kathleen Coulborn (1989). Child Sexual Abuse: An Interdisciplinary Manual for Diagnosis, Case Management, and Treatment. Columbia University Press. pp. 61–63. ISBN 0231064713. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 04:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I've done some more reading, and I can see why you posted this here first rather than directly in the article. It's challenging to find sources that focus on the "inviting the fox" part of the formula. It's clear that it happens, but most of the sources are addressing the later stages, in other words the abuse itself, rather than how the abuser was invited in to the situation or what the risk factors for that are. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 05:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Child sexual abuse vs. Abortion

In some cultures and religions, child sexual abuse is considered to be not as controversial as abortion, because it is not technically a murder, such as abortion is often thought to be. For instance, several bishops in the Roman Catholic Church have agreed with this and have recommended that girls who are raped by their parents to continue their pregnancy. This was notably the case in 2009 with archbishop José Cardoso Sobrinho in Brazil. [2] ADM (talk) 19:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

We need a section like this in the article. I will help contribute to it. Hawkesworth (talk) 17:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

More than one abuser

The article should maybe provide information about cases where there is more than one abuser, so-called gang rapes. For instance, there is a rather disturing story from Sudan about collective assualts on children by the state-sanctioned Janjaweed. [3] ADM (talk) 05:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)