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Messages before 1 Mar 08 are in Archive 1
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August 2009

Kelli Winger Smart

Hey slow down a bit with the coffee 4waldopepper (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks OK now and I have marked it "resolved" at WP:BLP/N. Sorry if I was a bit quick on the trigger, but negative BLP is a very sensitive issue - it's worth reading the whole WP:BLP policy carefully - and it's best to have the sources in place before you put the article up. Thanks for sorting it out promptly. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A user at an IP number is defacing the page still. What is the process to provide notice to the user? 4waldopepper (talk) 19:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PURISTA

Hi John,

Thanks again for all of your advice regarding my posts. My apologies for any conflict of interest or flagged guideline posts that have arisen. My goal was not to advertise those products, but rather write neutral, fact-based information about them. The PURISTA company is a new beverage completely separate from Playboy and has been garnering independent PR and traction via web articles and releases. Would it be better for me to delete the Margarita, Caipirinha, and Blackberry pages? I'd be happy to do so.

Thanks also for your tips on editing and "Show Preview". I am still learning the ways of Wiki and want to make sure everything I do is completely on the level.

Best Regards (Zepolekim (talk) 18:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]

  • Quick reply: thanks for your response. Yes, I think it would be best to delete those three pages. The simplest way to do that is for you, as the author, to blank each of them and place {{db-author}} (two curly brackets each side) at the top - that's Wikipedia-speak for "author requests deletion". Then I will close the AfD debate. (It may be that a passing admin will see your note on the AfD debate and delete them anyway; but {{db-author}} will probably be quicker). Longer reply in an hour or two. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey John. I did the {{db-author}} for PURISTA Margarita, PURISTA Caipirinha, and PURISTA Mojito Blackberry. Thanks again for all of your input. (Zepolekim (talk) 19:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks a lot, I was searching how to do that :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by He8us (talk • contribs) 16:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Colours

Sorry, but I don't know who else to ask and cannot find the information among the help pages. Thank you for the welcome message, as I am just now finding out how to properly use Wikipedia, the rules and the guidelines to abide by for proper consistency. My question pertains to infoboxes and the colors used in headers. How do I use a certain color in a template I plan to create. I can not find the information, thank you in advance for any assistance. Geremy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geremysguitar (talk • contribs) 01:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • WP:CHEAT is the short guide to editing, and WP:EDIT has more detail. I looked there for anything about colours (which I have never used), but didn't find anything. However, if you want to find out about something, say OOGLEs, in Wikipedia's behind-the-scenes operations, it's always worth a try typing WP:OOGLE into the search box - on that basis I tried WP:COLOUR, and that may have what you want. If you need more, the WP:HELPDESK answers questions about how to use Wikipedia. One more tip - on talk pages (but not in articles) the best way to "sign" your messages is by ending them with four "tilde" characters ~~~~, which the system converts into a signature of your username and the time and date - like this: JohnCD (talk) 09:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

deleted page

Must have done the first one wrong. See that the page that I posted shows on google. Will this be deleted in due course? Melisa89 (talk) 11:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you now click on the link Google provides, you get taken to a Wikipedia screen which says the page was deleted and when and why. I don't know how long it will take before Google no longer shows a deleted page - we have no control over Google, you'd have to ask them. There is another danger which makes it unwise to do that sort of thing: there are several "mirror" sites which copy Wikipedia automatically (as our licence allows) but deleting an article from WP does not delete it from the mirror sites, and it can linger on them, being picked up by Google, indefinitely. With luck, we zapped this one before the mirrors picked it up. Don't do it again! Regards JohnCD (talk) 11:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

about the documentary

I have prepared a documentary on climate change . how to post it on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabindratheparadise (talk • contribs) 18:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For general advice, see the guide to writing Your First Article which is worth reading carefully; but I must also give you some warnings. If what you want to post here is some new original work of your own, I'm sorry but we can't accept it - one of Wikipedia's principles is that it publishes No Original Research - read that policy too. If what you have made is a documentary film, we won't have an article about it until it is notable, which means that it "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I am sorry to be discouraging, but it is better that you understand Wikipedia's requirements now than put a lot of effort into an article which gets deleted. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ascended Games

I'm a long time Wikipediaholic but new to posting. I posted a small article about Ascended Games and it got shot in the head before I could add any more info. I must say, you guys are fast. I am posting a note here because I tried to follow all the rules, but I guess I didn't have it fully digested mentally yet. I will create a full article before posting the next version. But I do believe my company is notable as a representative of a few things. One, Small business is what makes this country a great country and is how Wikipedia started out. Two, you have giant game developer companies being highlighted all over the place, but you don't have the little guy. I guess thats because we aren't notable. I believe the Indie is notable and not just as an article about the random Indie Developer. I bet you have an iPhone or iPod or know 10 people who do. Who do you think is notable on that device? The indie developer made that possible. EA, Nintendo, Microsoft, none of them have a big presence on that device. I bet I can look up PopCap games and RealArcade. Ascended Games is one of many new game studios defining an emerging era in game design and production. I believe that to be quite notable. I also had links to my webpage, if you look at PopCap, they only have links to their own site. I was following their example.

I would love to know what your thoughts were on the page when you deleted it (according to all the info I have access to). I would like to know how to improve it, but I would like another shot at posting Ascended Games. I have been pushing your site since its emergence into the public eye, I have plans on pushing my gamers to this site as a reference and learning tool. Help me with my site. Please...

Ray Farrar CEO/President/Lead Designer Ascended Games, Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drfarrar (talk • contribs) 19:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What follows is a boilerplate reply, because I have had this conversation many times. I will add a more individual reply within 24 hours, but this is all I have time for now - the guy just above you needs a reply, too...
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business listing directory or a vehicle for any kind of promotion. Articles have to be of enough general interest for an encyclopedia article: the Wikipedia term for that is notability, and the requirements are explained in the guideline on Notability and in more detail in Notability (organizations and companies). Articles need to be verifiable from independent, reliable sources - a company's own website does not count as independent - and such independent references are the best way to demonstrate notability. Also, articles must be written from a neutral point of view, and so people are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves or their own organizations, because of the conflict of interest involved. For more advice, read carefully the FAQ/Organizations, in particular the sections headed:
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Longer reply as promised. First, we are using the word "notable" differently. In Wikipedia it is a technical term meaning "of enough general interest to have an encyclopedia article, as evidenced by significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." That is not a subjective opinion: the point is that Wikipedia editors don't make value-judgements about whether your company, or any other subject, is deserving, interesting, what-makes-America-great, etc: we just ask, have other people, independent of the company thought it interesting and important enough to write about?
So yes, we have articles on Microsoft and Sony because they pass that test, and not on "the little guy" because he doesn't. Have a look at WP:SCRABBLE - it's about a game, not a company, but the same principle applies. We don't expect to have a listing for every company (but Wikicompany does, and would be happy to list you).
In regard to some other company's article, yes, some slip by - new articles come in at the rate of several a minute, and the New Page Patrol volunteers can't always keep up - but that's not a reason for admitting more. See WP:ININ and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
What were my thoughts when I tagged your page? (I didn't actually delete it, that normally takes two pairs of eyes - I flagged it as not meeting our standards, and then an admin looked at, agreed, and deleted it.) My thoughts were: (weary sigh) this is the fifth non-notable-looking small company this morning, I really should take time off from New Page Patrol to write down my idea that it would be better for everybody if new contributors were made to read a short summary of the Conflict of Interest and What Wikipedia is not guidelines before signing on, because so many of them are only here to advertise themselves, their garage bands, their unpublished novels, their startup companies, and it would save their time and ours if they understood that this is an encyclopedia not a notice-board.
Returning to Conflict of Interest - for all the reasons listed there we prefer people not to write about themselves or their organizations; however, the anonymity of accounts makes it impossible to prohibit. There is good advice from a Wikipedia veteran at User:Uncle G/On notability#Writing about subjects close to you:

When writing about subjects that are close to you, don't use your own personal knowledge of the subject, and don't cite yourself, your web site, or the subject's web site. Instead, use what is written about the subject by other people, independently, as your sources. Cite those sources in your very first edit. If you don't have such sources, don't write.

Similarly, if you are writing about your company, then use independent articles written about your company as sources, not your company's autobiography and press releases. If there are no such sources, don't write about your company.

So, on to advice. I should really say, you should wait for others to write about your company, if no-one but you wants to, that means it's not notable enough for an article. However, read Your First Article and follow Uncle G's advice above; if you think, on that basis, you can demonstrate notability, then go ahead. It's best not to put an article in until it's pretty well complete - they get flagged quickly because they come in so fast and because a surprising number are libellous personal attacks which have to be zapped quickly, and a lot more are put in incomplete and then abandoned. You can put {{underconstruction}} (two curly brackets each side) at the top, which will protect it for a few days; or you can prepare it in your user space and only make it an article when it is ready. To make yourself a user page called (say) "Sandbox", type [[/Sandbox]] on your user page (two square brackets each side, and be careful to include the initial "/" character) and save it. That will produce a "redlink" - click on the redlink, type something, and save it. Now you have a user sub-page you can use to develop your article. Good luck.
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you very much for your detailed reply and I will/have read the links you posted. I had no idea there was a Wikicompany site and I will visit that immediately! I'm happy to see a place for everyone. You and everyone associated with Wikipedia have done an incredible job! Keep up the great work and I will continue to support you and your site whole heartedly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drfarrar (talk • contribs) 23:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

article for removal

hello John, I have an article under 'speedy deletion' category. I have made the article empty, but I would be very grateful if you could advise what should I do next in order to get the page completely removed from Wikipedia.

I'm really sorry for the inconvenience

Baghdadian —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baghdadian (talk • contribs) 18:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolving Term Used

Hello JohnCD, member of Wikipedia Group, mi intention is to inform about this topic voltrolisys, in this term this word is not commonly used and is acoording to my investigation. what is the best form to avoid the violation of wikipedia term of use?, because in my case this innovation is made by my self. The concepts are trully originals, and If the main restriction is about my name, please delete my name as reference to the author, If is neccesary that many links are referenced this concept, then i wait meanwhile it is published. I've noted that some links are not availabe yet, but i think that soon it appair. thanks, leandrorache.(2009-08-27)

Your article has been deleted because it seemed to be copyright. If you are the owner of the copyright, you can give a release, but that means more than just permission to reproduce - see WP:Copyrights#Contributors' rights and obligations for more detail. But the real problem is that it seems you have something new and original, and Wikipedia is not the place to publish new original ideas - one of our fundamental principles is that we publish No Original Research. To be in Wikipedia, an idea must first have been published elsewhere, and commented on in reliable sources that are independent of the subject - see Verifiablity. So I'm sorry, but it seems your work is too new for Wikipedia. You should also read our guideline on Conflict of Interest. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of MIR (Chile) members assassinated by the Pinochet regime

Following your close of this AfD, I have raised Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Missing prisoners of Chile for a similar list posted a couple of weeks ago. I have notified the (SPA) author of the list; then I thought of notifying the violent defenders of the previous lists; then I thought in that case I should notify everyone who took part in that AfD; and then I wondered of that would be canvassing and I should do nothing. Please advise. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O gosh - that's a dreadful article. I think that might qualify for a Speedy Deletion under A7.
The guidelines for notifying people are here. It is a courtesy to notify the originator of the article, and if you have Wikipedia:Twinkle, it will do that for you. I don't usually do much more than that - though I may notify people in various circumstances where it might be appropriate. This is a different article to the one just deleted, and - with the best will in the world - you cannot go around informing everyone about an AfD because they took part in a related one. Everyone is welcome to have their say at an AfD, and the more people involved the more rounded is the discussion, so some means of informing people who might be interested in that particular AfD is certainly worthwhile. I suggest a note on this page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chile, and leave it at that. Regards SilkTork *YES! 22:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - I have done as you suggest. JohnCD (talk) 08:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

September 2009

Help!

Hi John,

I have made numerous attempts to add an entry onto Wikipedia but they keep being deleted! I must admit, my first entry did have an advertising spin on it, but since then I have attempted to make it as factual as possible. Please can you help me to understand what it is that is causing my article to be deleted!

Thank you.

Deniz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Denizguryel (talk • contribs) 11:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business listing directory or a vehicle for any kind of promotion. Articles have to be of enough general interest for an encyclopedia article: the Wikipedia term for that is notability, and the requirements are explained in the guideline on Notability and in more detail in Notability (organizations and companies). Articles need to be verifiable from independent, reliable sources - a company's own website does not count as independent - and such independent references are the best way to demonstrate notability. Also, articles must be written from a neutral point of view, and so people are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves or their own organizations, because of the conflict of interest involved. For more advice, read carefully the FAQ/Organizations, in particular the sections headed:
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JohnCD

Hello thank you for telling me about the contact me page.--Dwayneflanders (talk) 17:18, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am just experimenting. Nothing really was at harm JohnCD. I was trying to have fun and it wasn't like the end of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplemonkey8899 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • No, it's not the end of the world, but it's a silly, persistent nuisance that wastes people's time clearing up after you, and damages the encyclopedia because people who see your nonsense think the rest may be unreliable too. This is a serious project, not a place for you to "have fun." You have had a string of warnings, at least eight or nine, and the final one I gave you is serious: if you do it again you will be blocked from editing. JohnCD (talk) 08:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Peters

Hi John,

I'm not in the PR business. I'm Puerto Rican. Reverb is just something I use because I am a music fan. Please untag this speedy tag for Brandon Peters. I don't think you are in the right to try to delete since I did read everything that was necessary before I posted. I did some photography for him and he is a credible source in the music industry. Since I posted late last night, I was waiting until this morning to retreive source tags from the institutions mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reverb PR (talk • contribs) 19:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • My apologies - we do get a lot of PR people trying to use Wikipedia for free advertising for their clients. Your article has already been deleted (which means that the admin who looked at my tag agreed that it did not "indicate why its subject is important or significant") but I see you have a copy in your user space, so you don't need to ask for it to be undeleted. Before you put it in again, though, read WP:YFA, and then WP:N and WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC to get an idea of what you need to make an article that will stay - you need to cite references to show that other people have thought him interesting and important enough to write about. Also, make the tone more drily factual, Wikipedia needs a neutral point of view, and phrases like "prestigious" and "genius for music" and "ever evolving versatility" sound like a PR puff-piece - see WP:PEACOCK for the sort of thing to avoid. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Not an attack on Mr. Chris Ebsworth

Mr. Ebsworth is sitting next to me and whole heartedly supports the article which I wrote. Please could you put it back up...if you disagree with specific comments please highlight them and I will edit.

thanks

powpowpowpow —Preceding unsigned comment added by Powpowpowpow (talk • contribs) 15:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gamli Garður

I have to admit I feel that you are being unfair in your review of my article and have not given me a proper amount of time to improve before jumping to the conclusion that my contribution is merely frivilous. In response to your two complaints:

(1) I have removed all of the copywritten content. Thank you for alerting me to that mistake. (2) The dormitory is the first to be built in Iceland and located at Iceland's first and largest university. It's well known at the university and serves as the pillar of the foreign student community, which numbers around 1000 visiting scholars.

Kigukagu (talk) 20:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)`[reply]

I did not think your article frivolous - it was too well presented for that - but doing New Page Patrol to look at incoming articles I am aware that many new contributors do not understand what makes an acceptable Wikipedia article. Often people think that what seems important to them must be interesting to the world and "My college dormitory" is so frequent a contribution that it is listed at WP:BAI. I had another dormitory only yesterday - look at Barr hall. (The most popular subjects are "Me" and "My alternative-rock band").
As far as time to improve goes, only the speedy-deletion tag for copyright had any degree of urgency - that has to be dealt with quickly, because publishing copyright material could get Wikipedia into serious legal trouble. In contrast, the Proposed Deletion template I put on would not have had any effect for seven days, during which you could improve the article, and anyone including you could remove it at any stage. Once a PROD has been removed it cannot be replaced. What might now happen is the process called "Articles for deletion" which again takes seven days, during which anyone interested can comment and at the end an administrator weighs up the opinions (not the number of votes) and decides. I will give you some time before I decide to start that (but someone else might start it - Wikipedia doesn't have a central authority for this kind of thing).
Notability has a special meaning in Wikipedia - it's not a matter of subjective opinion, of saying that something is well-known, but of whether a subject has had "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Can you produce evidence, more substantial than lists of dormitories, that someone independent has thought this one interesting and important enough to write about? I doubt whether just being the oldest in Iceland is enough, though it helps - can you cite a reliable source for that? (see Verifiability).
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John,

Not sure if you can read Icelandic, but the following text very clearly states that Gamli Gardur is not only the first dormitory at the prestigious university of iceland, but the oldest building still standing there:

Aðalbyggingin var vígð 17. júní 1940. Hún er þó ekki elsta byggingin á svæðinu, þann heiður hefur Gamli Garður, sem var tekinn í notkun árið 1934. Hann dugði þó skammt, enda fjölgaði stúdentum ört og því var Nýi Garður byggður. Fyrstu stúdentarnir fluttu inn á Nýja Garð árið 1943 og nú eru þar aðallega skrifstofur kennara.

[1]

með kveðju (best regards), Kigukagu (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I can't read Icelandic, but Google Translate can. OK, maybe that's enough - better than Barr hall, anyway. Put that in as a reference, and see if you can find anything else. Did you know there is an Icelandic Wikipedia? I see that on :is, Gamli Garður redirects to is:Regensen - I don't know if there's any useful information there? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, that seems to be a different Gamli Garður, in Copenhagen. JohnCD (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On Islamic marketing

Hi John,

I am actually working on developing a comprehensive article on the subject and the small article that has been contributed is only the start of a much larger project. I understand your concerns about promoting self and I already removed my name from the begining of the article. I am adding Islamic Marketing to Wiki for knowldge purposes only. I will remove or rewrite the contents to make sure that there is no conflict of Interest.

This is inceasingly becoming a hot topic and it seems natural that Wiki has something to say about it. Just give me sometime and I think I add something of value to your online encyclopedia.

Best regards Dr. Baker Alserhan College of Business United Arab Emirates University —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alserhan (talk • contribs) 19:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Famous Aka Lil Ken

keep this page up or try to creat one hangon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ja210 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi JohnCD, it's Quangminhc here. I reakon Wikipedia is the best information site and it is anti-virus. And what does CD at the end of your name stands for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quangminhc (talk • contribs) 08:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

my bad..i apologize.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craiggie (talk • contribs) 17:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am User Infianant. I have to say there are many kingdoms in the continent of Africa that are within the countries that were made as a result to European Imperialism. Most of these kingdoms are very small, some not with even 1,000,000 subjects. They are kingdoms though nonetheless. I am speaking on behalf of the Royal House of Woome, ruling family of the Village of Abua in Rivers State, Nigeria. His Excellency Prince Kitami Woome is indeed the Crown Prince of Abua which is populated of approximately 1,000,000 inhabitants. There are no electronic sources available anywhere to prove that he is however, the same as many others kingdoms in the continent of Africa. Abua, and many of the others Kingdoms in Africa have practiced centuries or oral documentation. Unless European colonialist made written documentation of any Kingdom there will be no reference of them. European colonialist made written documents of only very few of the hundreds of kingdoms already in the continent of Africa before there arrival. I can only state that Abua is a village in Rivers State, Nigeria. The Royal House of Woome is the ruling family of this village, and His Excellency Prince Kitami Woome is the Crown Prince of Abua. It is no possible for me to post refrences becuase there are simply no written refference of this, much less electronic reference. The people of our village, Abua Every thing I am saying to be true. The articles I put up on belaf of the Royal House of Woome are small and will not disrupt this mega website.

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