Talk:Titanic

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Not much of an objection. Given value is properly cited and very close to this source: [1]. Removing geodata-check tag. Gregbaker (talk) 07:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Unsinkable?

Contrary to popular belief, snopes.com released interesting evidence that the public DID in fact think Titanic was unsinkable.

http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/unsinkable.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.97.30 (talk) 08:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, not sure what to make of it all. I was reading the section on Legends where it talks about Titanic being unsinkable, yet two paragraphs above it states that the notion of Titanic being unsinkable was a reason for passengers' reluctnace to board lifeboats. Bs9tmw (talk) 01:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

That's a possible inference, but the text reads "reluctant to leave the apparent safety of the ship". Not necessarily incompatible with the referenced "unsinkable not thought of until afterwards" suggestions in section 7.1. --Old Moonraker (talk) 05:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

John Coffey, did he exist?

There are many who doubt the existence of John Coffey who is supposed to have left the ship at Queenstown (Cobh). Apparently his name is not on the crew or passenger list. Can anyone provide verifiable proof (other than just a link to another website which may or may not be accurate). Coolavokig (talk) 07:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Since the 1911 Census of population went online with census details for Cork City & County earlier this month, I have looked for the name John Coffey and found one person of this name living in what was then Queenstown (Cobh). The John Coffey in question was aged 26 and lived at Belvelly on the Great Island, in the rural district of Queenstown. It appears that an occupation for the person concerned was filled in originally but then corrected and left blank. This does not conclusively prove the story to be true, but does give it some more credence than previously existed. (see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Queenstown/Belvelly__part_of_/405405/) Coolavokig (talk) 08:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

the movie was a great movie which made everyone feel and know the impact of this tragic happening ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.166.223 (talk) 16:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Please edit

Would some one with an account please correct the continous mispellings of the word artifact in the section about the rediscovery of the wreck. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.217.3.220 (talk) 23:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Artefacts is the correct spelling in British English, see WP:ENGVAR. Benea (talk) 00:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

As well as colour and harbour. Shinerunner (talk) 00:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

And continuous :) WhaleyTim (talk) 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, then let's change it to proper American English.  :) Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 07:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

These links, Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Enforce American or British spelling, Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English and Wikipedia:Standardize spellings/Archive, might help answer your question. Personally, I live on the border with Canada and seeing British spelling in an article doesn't faze me. Shinerunner (talk) 10:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Artefact & artifact are both correct alternative orthographies ( spellings ) used throughout the world. It has nothing to do with specific countries. I hope you're not afraid of ketchup versus catsup ! ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.62.159 (talk) 13:43, 13 September 2009 (GMT)

where the titanic sank

the titanic sank at 43 degrees / 43mins north / 49 degrees / 56 mins west / north alantic ocean / titanic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.177.22 (talk) 17:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Animals On Board

As the matter of fact, there where animals on Titanic. Earlier that day, April 15, 1912, there was a dog show on the first class. Few hours later, when the ship hit the iceberg, after realizing that the so "unsinkable" ship was going to go down, many men ran to the lower deck and released the dogs from the kennels, but mostly of them drowned.

A French bulldog, Newfoundland dog, Chow, Airdale, Pomeranian and Pekinese were some of the dog breeds on board. The animals were on the lower deck and some of them where on the rooms of the owner. The owners of these animals paid for their transportation, but rats (over 2,000) took a free ride.

Francis-Millet noted with some irony that the ladies in first class "carried tiny dogs and lead husbands around like pet lambs." Is surprising that many women took their dogs, leaving their husbands to drown with nearly 2,000 rats.

As the dogs from the lower deck, that mentioned above, mostly of them drowned, one a black Newfoundland dog named Rigel, was able to swim until the rescue ship, Carpathia, arrived. Survivors in one lifeboat were way too weak to shout when the ship was about to run them over. But Rigel who had been swimming in the icy water for three hours, was still strong enough to bark. Captain Rostron heard the dog and ordered the ship to stop. Swimming in front of the lifeboat, the dog led the survivors to the starboard gangway.

Rigel's owner was the first officer of the Titanic, since he went down with the ship, Jonas Brigg, a sailor on the Carpathia adopted the dog. Rigel was called a hero and did not seem to have any ill effects from the disaster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.171.108.12 (talk) 06:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction?

I was reading this article with great interest. The detail of this article is brilliant. I was so engrosed in reading this that I managed to spot a slight contradiction. In the section Maiden Voyage, it says that there were 2,240 souls aboard whereas in the table in the section Survivors, victims and statistics it says there were 2,223. I'm assuming the second figure is correct but as my knowledge of the Titanic is limited I thought i would mention it on here instead yettie0711 (talk) 15:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The figure of 2,223 comes from the U.S board of enquiry, compiled from the crew muster and passenger lists. The British enquiry, using the same information, arrived at a total of 2,201. 2,240 isn't strongly referenced and does seem wrong. Could definitely do with a bit of work. --Old Moonraker (talk) 16:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

A previous, archived discussion here. --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

National flag

The flag icon has been missing from the infobox for a while, but has just been reinstated. At the time of the maiden voyage the Blue Ensign was flown, and not as now shown. AFAIK it was the only version ever used. Earlier discussion now archived, here. --Old Moonraker (talk) 06:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Changed, with ref. --Old Moonraker (talk) 06:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

That's fine, I just thought it looked odd with the flag of the company showing and no national flag. Happens I picked the wrong one. Mjroots (talk) 07:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reinstating it in the first place.--Old Moonraker (talk) 11:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Why can't I edit some the RMS Titanic article?

It doesn't show the edit button. How come? I wanna add some infos. Even though I log in I can't edit the RMS Titanic article. here. --Japee (talk) 06:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Reply on user's talk page. --Old Moonraker (talk) 11:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

please change "adverse weather conditions" under causes section.

Under the heading "adverse weather conditions" you have "The weather conditions for the Atlantic at the time of the collision were unusual because there was a flat calm sea, without wind or swell. In addition, it was a moonless night. Under normal sea conditions in the area of the collision, waves would have broken over the base of an iceberg, assisting in the location of icebergs even on a moonless night.", which makes it clear that the conditions were only adverse in the sense of being too calm. Please change the section title to "adverse (overly calm) weather conditions" or something similiar. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/adverse+weather —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.234.207.120 (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The use of the term "adverse weather conditions" is questionable because it is somewhat misleading. According to the evidence given during the British Inquiry, those responsible for the navigation of the ship were well aware of the calm conditions, for several hours before the collision. They also knew they were approaching an area in which ice had been reported. (Second officer Lightoller's testimony at the British Inquiry.) In other words, there were reasons to proceed with caution. Their failure to proceed with caution is one of the Titanic mysteries which has never been adequately explained.

During the Inquiry, there were several witnesses who attempted to justify the practice of full speed navigation in ice conditions by claiming that dangerous icebergs could always be identified, in darkness, at distances of about one to two miles. However, there was hardly any cross examination of those witnesses with regard to specific details of the iceberg sizes or shapes - nor of the techniques they used to measure the actual distances of the icebergs they claimed to have sighted at night. (How did they estimate their distance off, in darkness, when they couldn't know the size of the berg they were observing?). During the Inquiry, Captain Rostron of the Carpathia was one of those who claimed to be able to see icebergs at night. However, while in the rescue area, he stated that he was unable to see one of the larger bergs, (only about a quarter of a mile away), until morning twilight had begun. He could offer no explanation for that and the Inquiry did not question him further on the subject. Norloch (talk) 10:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect Engine specification?

In the article under the section "Construction" one can read the following: - "She was equipped with two reciprocating four-cylinder, triple-expansion, inverted steam engines "

My first reaction to this was, can they really have been inverted? After some research on the internet I have found no source saying that and from the look on pictures it is clear that the engines were not inverted in any sence of the word. So in what way do editors of this Wiki-article mean that the engines were inverted? Please explain or edit the text for me.
http://titanic-model.com/articles/tech/TechFeatureFeb2006.htm
JasonCW 21:45, 1 September 2009 (CET)

No, I can't see any justification for this. As a confirmed user, be WP:BOLD! --Old Moonraker (talk) 20:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

For some reason I got the impression that I could not edit the article... I was wrong! JasonCW 23:12, 1 September 2009 (CET)

A ship is not a female

This article refers to the Titanic as a 'she'. I may not be a native English speaker, but I know objects cannot be referred to as males or females, and Wikipedia isn't supposed to be written from a sea farer's point of view, no matter how much they see their ship as a female. # Ido50 (talk to me), at 11:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

There is a long tradition, and not just among seafarers, of referring to ships as "she." Never "he" and rarely "it". It shouldn't be a problem. Rumiton (talk) 10:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not a problem, it just looks ridiculous. # Ido50 (talk to me), at 11:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Protection for this article?

OMG administrators shall semi-protect the RMS Titanic article because there were too many vandalisms committed by IP addresses/anonymous users. (Japee (talk) 10:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

New Titanic?

Shortly after the film "Titanic", there were at least a dozen people who claimed they were going to build a new replica of the Titanic. A few said they would be ready for the 100th anniversary of the sinking (2012). Are any of these people still pursuing it? If so, please add a URL. If not, maybe a word or two about how these efforts failed. 74.100.48.167 (talk)