Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annie Le

Annie Le

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There appears to be no claim of notability here. A lot of people go missing all the time why is this person different? Later events may show some sort of notability but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. While it's only a guideline Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable only for one event would seem to apply. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 04:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand - As I had left on the talk page, it is still available for expansion. It is stub, but as usual, it can be expanded.--BoeingRuleOfThe9th-700 (talk) 04:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A lot of people go missing, yes, but most people who go missing do not get massive (national) news coverage, as she did/does. She meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability because of all the media coverage she has already received over the past week and is continuing to receive. This is one of those big disappearance stories that hits every once in a while. —Lowellian (reply) 04:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 1500 Gnews hits and ten times that many Google hits seems to assert notability. ArcAngel (talk) 04:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Agree with User:ArcAngel (as suggested by my vote above), but I want to elaborate/clarify one thing: Not just 10 times (that would be 15,000), more like 100 times -- there are 233,000 hits for the phrase "annie le" as I write this comment; even after attempting to filter against other persons with the same name by searching simultaneously with the keyword "yale", we still get 114,000 hits, and that's just within one week of her disappearance. Also, I'm seeing 3000+ articles on Google News. —Lowellian (reply) 04:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: When I searched Google I did so with quotation marks. I bet that's the difference in our results. ArcAngel (talk) 05:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: When I wanted a concise rundown on Le, the first place I came was Wikipedia—articles like this are one of the many facets of Wikipedia that make it so useful. I agree that the wide coverage of the incident makes this person notable enough for an article, at least for the time being. Jim_Lockhart (talk) 06:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Especially given recent news reports of a body found in her lab building. Murder in a Yale campus building is a big deal, similar to the Suzanne Jovin case. What a horrible tragedy in any case. ~Eliz81^(C) 06:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I support changing this article from a focus on Annie Le's biography to an event-oriented view. The article I cited above does the same. ~Eliz81^(C) 19:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The news coverage really has been significant--it's at least worth waiting to see what details emerge. And the details are pretty strange as it is. The Yale association also makes it a part of the history of one of the most important universities in the country. --Longwoodprof (talk) 12:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Tragic, but non-notable murder victim. Does every murder victim on, say, America's Most Wanted, get their own page on Wikipedia? Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 13:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It makes Wikipedia look really ridiculous and amateurish that every time someone comes here for an encyclopedic recount of an event receiving extensive national news coverage that somebody has tagged it for deletion (after apparently doing 0 hours, 0 minutes, and 0 seconds of research to determine whether or not it's an extremely and obviously notable national story). This is an extremely notable event, being a dominant news item across the nation. It will obviously be something that affects Yale University's identity for a generation (if you disagree, let's place a wager). --209.37.216.66 (talk) 15:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia guidelines seem to suggest that the article should be titled Death of Annie Le or Murder of Annie Le, referring to the event, rather than the individual. --209.37.216.66 (talk) 15:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not allowed to say I believe the article should be kept? --209.37.216.66 (talk) 15:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can comment all you want, but !votes from IP editors are generally ignored in the overall decision. ArcAngel (talk) 15:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What does it mean "!votes"? And why are my arguments any less valid because I don't have an account? This does not seem sensible and should be revisited. I have read the notability rules and the "Not News" rules and believe I have correctly interpreted them, and that seems unrelated to whether or not I have an account. --209.37.216.66 (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please read this section, it covers AFD discussions. ArcAngel (talk) 16:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not trying to be a pest, but I don't understand. That section says: "The debate is not a vote; please make recommendations on the course of action to be taken, sustained by arguments." Thus I suggested a course of action (keep) and followed it with arguments. The section further says "Unregistered or new users are welcome to contribute to the discussion, but their recommendations may be discounted, especially if they seem to be made in bad faith (for example, if they misrepresent their reasons)." But I did not misrepresent my reasons and am not acting in bad faith. I suppose I should return to watching Web 2.0 rather than attempting to participate.This article I read recently, which notes Wikipedia's inscrutable elite, seems apt. --209.37.216.66 (talk) 17:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus says that !votes (Keep, Delete, Merge, Support, Oppose, Neutral, etc.) aren't "counted" when made by IP editors in any type of discussion where "voting" takes place, such as here. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. ArcAngel (talk) 19:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep given the most recent news coverage. This is definitely notable now (and for the same reasons as the IP editor above, I think the AfD vote should be resolved ASAP as numerous individuals will be coming to Wikipedia for more information now). --Dlugar (talk) 16:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Unquestionably newsworthy. The last homicide at Yale was in 1998. --AStanhope (talk) 16:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Keep, but rename to "Murder of Annie Le" or "Death of Annie Le". This is quite notable ... as an event ... not as a biography of Miss Le. The deletionists here on Wikipedia will only be satisfied once each and every article on Wikipedia is deleted. And maybe not even then. Unreal. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 14 September 2009)

Delete. As AStanhope says, unquestionably newsworthy. However, newsworthiness has never been the threshold for notability, WP:NOTNEWS. This is a tragic apparent murder. But many such tragic murders occur every day. They do not rise to the level of notability for inclusion in an encyclopedia. TJRC (talk) 19:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. Murders on American university campuses are extremely rare; murders on Ivy League campuses even more so. Compare Suzanne Jovin or Sinedu Tadesse. jdb (talk) 19:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]