Talk:Television

Add a UK English translations

Several words need translating, such as program may not be understood as programme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.153.78 (talk) 20:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

First television

From the german wiki: "Ab dem 22. März 1935 wurde in Deutschland das erste regelmäßige Fernsehprogramm der Welt in hochauflösender Qualität ausgestrahlt (s. Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow, Berlin)"

The first television report was 1935 in germany... Everyone who ignores the propaganda from the USA knows this. The same thing with "jet engine" and the article "jet" and "computer"... It shocks me, the propaganda is very denial... ---Green_Link~~

I thought New York has low resolution mechanical TV service well before then Tabby (talk) 08:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

As late as 1935? Why were the Germans so slow? In Britain John Baird demonstrated television in 1924. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.138.200 (talk) 09:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually 1935 the first regular TV programme was broadcasted in germany, the first transmission of an TV signal was 1926, also in germany and therewith the first transmission in the world. Also the idea for television was invented by a german named Paul Nipkow in 1884 and his invention, the so called Nipkow-Disc, was later improved by Ferdinand Braun, also a german. This Nipkow-Disc was also used by John Baird for his experiments and he demonstrated television in 1925, not 1924. His television also was only a "mechanical tv" whereas the germans used CRT televisions, which were superior to Baird´s tv´s.

78.42.19.119 (talk) 00:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Move "History of television" into this article.

This article is almost completely devoid of technical information; bad news for someone looking for an article on how television works and not expecting to find it under "History of television", or missing the notation, "Main article: History of television" altogether. (It took me a quite a while to find the relevant article.)

The so-called "History" section contains nothing more than three paragraphs lifted from "History of television", and only brings us up to the state of electromechanical television in 1927. It would have been better to have left this out altogether rather than include this truncated account.

I would strongly suggest moving the entire "History of television" page into this entry.

In the meantime, I'm going to attempt to delete the "History" section and add a "Technical and historical information" link at the top of the page.

Rico402 (talk) 22:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Buddha24 "un-did" my edit on 7 May 2008. I "re-did" the edit; and NOW I've just "un-did" it, and added links to "History of television" and "Technology of television" under "See also", which is more in keeping with Wiki's style.

I've left out the "History" section for now. I think I'll insert a "History of television" link in the body of the article, or come up with an abbreviated history drawn from "History of television" (unless someone else does it, please!).

I'm still far from satisfied; this information should be consolidated into one article, or the links to the other articles should be included in the body, rather than under "See also", where they are likely to go unnoticed.

Cheers, Rico402 (talk)

I've added a partial "History" draw from History of television. However the section remains incomplete. I'll be expanding this section and hopefully have it completed within the week.

Cheers, Rico402 (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Dodgy science

"Latest research at the Boston University's School of Public Health showed that television, as well as many other household devices, is source of a chemical called flame retardant, which finally transforms into dust, landing on surfaces aroung the house. "

I'm moving this to here, as the article and the statement above show ignorance of basic chemistry. There is no chemical called fire retardant, fire retardants are a range of different substances. If you want to claim warmed plastic distributes dust, TVs are just one of many appliances this would apply to.

If you want to put it back, perhaps you could find a credible source for more accurate information. Tabby (talk) 08:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Digital Telelvision

Across the board on the television pages, I am seeing TV stations listed with their digital channel, and so far just about all of them have been incorrect. In the US, all TV stations are digitially defined using their ANALOG channel and sub channel. For example, if you have a station on analog channel 12 and digital 13, the ONLY digital channels will be 12.1, 12.2, etc. Putting "13.1", "13.2" is incorrect as in the legal scheme of digital tv in the US, this channel doesn't actually exist. The only spot the digital channel number exists is on the license, like with US FM radio. It is used as a reference for which set of frequencies the station will use to transmit their digital signal. The PSIP data (Program Service Information Protocol) is required by FCC law to "map" to the station's analog channel. (All FM Frequencies are assigned a channel number from 200 - 300). When these digital channel boxes were put on the TV profile pages, they should have only listed the analog channel (which is known as the "major" channel) and the appopriate minor channels (the .1, .2). I've corrected the ones Ive run across so far, but the rest need to be corrected before confusion sets in about the station's digital.

~ Signed, Mike. A Broadcast engineer, who has set these systems up for three different TV stations... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.44.209 (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Broadcast Engineering and Technology Taskforce

A Broadcast Engineering and Technology Taskforce has been created as part of WikiProject Television. I suggest that anyone with interest in the technical aspects of television, broadcasting, and related technologies join the taskforce and the discussions there. --tonsofpcs _(Talk) 17:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem with map image

The image "TV-introduction-world-map.svg" (the graphic that deals with when TV was introduced to different countries) has problems with the color coding on the map versus the colors on the legend. The colors on the map range from red to orange to yellow to green. But the legend also includes pinks and blues. When you actually click on the graphic the new page has the correct legend. So the display issue is related to the graphic vs. legend on the article page itself. Unfortunately my editing skills are pretty weak in regards to fixing a problem such as this. Could someone a little more sophisticated in this help me out here and fix it? Basically, all that needs to be done is to take the legend from the image page and use it to replace the one on the main article page. Thanks. Mantisia (talk) 01:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

TV images

1 pixle on a tv can display over 1 million colors. There are 250,000 pixles. The number of images that can be displayed is 1,000,000 Power 250,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.41.1.161 (talk) 21:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

1,000,000^250,000 = 10^{6 X 250,000} = 10^1,500,000!! That's one big fat number, especially considering that the universe is less than 1.50 X 10¹⁷ seconds old. (60 secs/min X 60 min/hr X 24 hr/day X 365.25 days/yr X 13,700,000,000 years = 4.32 X 10¹⁷ secs.) Although larger than a googol (10¹⁰⁰), much, much smaller than a googolplex (10¹⁰¹⁰⁰). Of course, the vast and overwhelming majority of those possible images

would essentially be just nonsense, or "noise". Cheers, Rico402 (talk) 13:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

If God was a television our universe would only be one picture of all other posible pictures. Gjeremy —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC).

Which argues that the number of universes is a finite value based on the current resolution and bit depth of a digital color image, which is just plain silliness. It is currently impossible to know if ours is the only universe, but most astrophysicists hypothesize that there is a vast if not infinite number of universes. Rico402 (talk) 21:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

please add a wiki link

[[wuu:电视机]]

You mean this? Somebody? TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 08:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Archive this super-long page

{{archiveme}}

--Crackthewhip775 (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done --Elonka 04:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

So where is the archive? Thanks. --70.142.45.253 (talk) 04:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I just posted a link. Sorry it wasn't done earlier. Binksternet (talk) 15:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

please add a link to International Television Expert Group

I would recommend to add a link to International Television Expert Group >[www.itve.org http://www.itve.org]</ 94.222.208.121 (talk) 16:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

INCORRECT: NOT- Barbara Lyon credits...Credits belong to Actress Barbara G. Lyon born 1942

((( She faded from the scene following 1962 television guest appearances on McHale's Navy and My Three Sons.[1] )))

These credits belong to Barbara G. Lyon source- S.A.G. (4 EPISODES OF "MY THREE SONS"; 2 EPISODES OF "McHALE'S NAVY")

THESE SHOWS ARE NOT- Bebe Daniels and Ben Lyon's daughter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.56.152 (talk) 18:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

TeeVee

What the heck does "TeeVee" mean, and where did this spelling originate? I would like to see some discussion of this in the article since "TeeVee" redirects to this page. --70.142.45.253 (talk) 04:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The first TV

Why does the article list the inventor as Farnsworth? Was it not John Logie Baird who invented the first ever working television set? 92.24.20.56 (talk) 22:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes it was John Logie Baird, a British inventor, I can only guess someone (an American?) is trying to deceive by claiming otherwise. I would appreciate if this misinformation could be corrected by someone who is registered. 91.85.191.206 (talk) 19:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The article states, "Farnsworth made the world's first working television system with electronic scanning of both the pickup and display devices." (Emphasis added.) Baird used mechanical scanning for converting images into electrical signals. ("Philo Taylor Farnsworth (1906-1971)", The Virtual Museum of the City of San Francisco.) Rico402 (talk) 09:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Broadcast TV band

"Broadcast TV is typically disseminated via radio transmissions in the 7-1000 megahertz-range of the FM frequency band".

Technically incorrect. There is no FM frequency band as such. Instead, certain bands may be able to be used for FM (or not). In the same way, a band may allow TV (see ITU).

Not only that, but the usual system of television (ignoring digital systems) is AM with an FM audio subcarrier. While this system may be in the process of being phased out, it would not be correct to ignore it.

Numbat01Numbat01 (talk) 08:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Changed to 54-890 megahertz -- previous spectrum included CATV channels. Ref = "Television Frequency Table, CSGNetwork.com., a Division of Computer Support Group", as cited in article. Rico402 (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Under paragraph three of Taxation and Licence, under advertising, the word percent is first written as "per cent" and in future references is used the "%" symbol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soyluismofo (talk • contribs) 22:07, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistency

As any scholar could tell you, the history of television requires a tremendously detailed survey of technological development. With that said, I wanted to call attention to the box on the right side of the page that lists John Logie Baird as the inventor of the television. While I would normally argue that the invention of television has too convoluted a history to attribute to just one man, I will, for now, overlook such a claim, and, instead, identify the lack of consistency within this information box. If Baird did indeed invent the television, then the date listed below it as 'launch year' must read precisely March 25, 1925 (Edgerton 29). For if the current qualification of 'inventor' is the first person to publicly exhibit a device allowing an image in one location to be wirelessly broadcast to another, then John Logie Baird 'invented' the television on March 25, 1925. If, however, this isn't the page's stipulation for defining television history, then one should consider the following facts ...

1) "The first time the word 'television' appeared in print was in a 1907 Scientific American article that featured German physics professor Arthur Korn's invention of the photo-telegraph through which he successfully transmitted photographic images by wire from Munich to Nuremberg in 1904" (Edgerton 26).

2) By the time John Logie Baird's public demonstration occurred in 1925, "Charles Francis Jenkins had actually been chasing the vague possibility of 'seeing at a distance via radio ... as distinguished from wire television' for more than a quarter century" (Edgerton 27). Jenkins was likely further along in his developments than Baird by March 25, 1925, and he demonstrated his advanced version of the TV only three months later (Edgerton 29).

3) Philo Taylor Farnsworth "became the first inventor to ever transmit moving images – 'black lines, a triangle, and a dollar sign painted on a sheet of glass' – by electronic TV on September 7, 1927" (Edgerton 42).

4) "The British Broadcasting Company inaugurated regularly scheduled telecasting to the general public on November 2, 1936" (Edgerton 5).

Regardless of whichever view this page takes, there should, at least, be consistency in its claims. Either list the "inventor" as John Logie Baird and the "launch year" as 1925, or ...

1) Affirm that television, by definition, is a "wireless" means of communication.

2) Reconsider what it means to attribute the 'invention' of television to just one man.

3) Remember that television is generally considered to operate on the basis of 'electronic' scanning (as Farnsworth established), not 'manual' scanning (as practiced by Jenkins and Baird).

4) Specify what is actually meant by the term launch year, since commercial broadcasting of television didn't actually begin until 1936.

Reference:

Edgerton, Gary R. The Columbia History Of American Television. Columbia University Press. 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tragic Mr Magic (talk • contribs) 04:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

In light of the above, & since Farnsworth's 1927 demo was the first public exhibition of electronic TV, I'm changing "inventor" to PTF & "yr" to 1927. TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 04:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

“see below”

“The majority of its budget comes from TV licencing (see below)” – keep on looking! --87.163.52.3 (talk) 19:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)