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"unduly self-serving"

I do not have the time right now, as I have a busy work day ahead of me, but I plan to re-remove all those Cagan references inserted by Jayen later today unless someone comes up with a better rationale for their inclusion, other than "it's not unduly self-serving". Since when is that a WP policy?? Did we not *JUST* finish deciding we *MAY* use Cagan, on a case by case basis, if the editor can justify its usage in each case? Am I missing where Jayen has done this, or is this just a case of an editor who didn't like the outcome of a process so he's choosing to ignore it?? -- Maelefique ^(talk) 15:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The removal of the references was not supported by consensus in mediation, nor did it reflect the process suggested by the mediator. The unlocking of the article bypassed the mediation process completely.

I thought we had agreed that we would refrain from making edits to areas currently subject to mediation discussions, unless such edits reflected consensus. --JN466 19:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "unduly self-serving" criterion is part of WP:SELFPUB. While the source we are dealing with here is not strictly speaking self-published, it is also not fully "third-party", as required of our best sources, due to apparent links between the publisher and the subject. Hence the suggestion to treat it as strictly as if it were a self-published source (but no stricter). JN466 19:13, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We're actively discussing PIP on the project page. I don't think it'd be helpful to split the discussion. I suggest the any relevant arguments should be made there instead. Will Beback talk 20:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Sources War

When are we going to have a little peace and stop the sources war? Peace seems to be very boring to some.

Why is youTube, for instance, not a reliable source?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9JVym5vvaY

Have a nice day all, pros, antis, neutrals and the 4th rest. --PremieLover (talk) 12:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Material for study of the subject

Hello cyberbrothers. Hello cyberfriends. IMAHO you are both, but please feel free to prefer one or the other, and also to opt for a balanced, neutral 50-50, of course. As you know, I include my enemies in both concepts without any price supplement.

Speaking of YouTube, I have been exploring and discovered a so called “Prem Rawat Documentary on Maharaji” in eight ten-minute parts. I am not sure, but from the title it seems it is adult Prem Rawat's documentary on his early years when he was called Maharaji. People who watch that and read his Wikipedia biography might see some difference.

I suggest that editors of his biography, whether pros or antis, see this Documentary as part of the study on the subject, as this is clearly Prem Rawat's account or view of his early years, it is unthinkable that such a documentary would be published without his agreement.

Some parts could perhaps be of use as a source, it is his closest followers speaking about his early years, so it surely reflects Prem's view, let us say it should be one party in this issue, and the rest is the other party, be it pros, antis, or neutrals, all have subjective views, informed or not, but subjective, we are subjects after all, not objects, so in a way we can only have subjective, not objective views.

I hope I have at least provided you with material for a new debate, (sorry for the joke), and have a nice day.--PremieLover (talk) 21:45, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Without The Guru

Added newly published book to Further Reading section. Possibly could be put to very selective usage as personal observation as a reference work. --Nik Wright2 (talk) 09:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC) Please remove this "self published" book. It does not qualify for inclusion in a BLP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.184.66 (talk) 13:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed per WP:SPS and WP:BLP. --JN466 15:20, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added to Disputed Sources [1]. In the mean time JN could you exlain why this source is not allowable within the Further Reading section and on what basis you are judging it to violate BLP policy given that it's not currently being used as a source ? --Nik Wright2 (talk) 11:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is JN a sanyasin? A disciple of late Osho?87.123.115.107 (talk) 11:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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