Talk:Primeval (TV series)

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Superior strength?

Where is it mentioned or alluded to that Caroline had significantly superior strength than Abby? It's true that she pinned Abby at one point, but it wasn't long before she was rolled over, was she? It looked like a very close fight, nothing really claims that either was particularly stronger than the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.124.49 (talk) 00:00, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Ya i looked at it on youtube again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXe-CbkmCBU) and the only time Caroline clearly had the upper hand was when she flipped and pinned Abby, and she didn't manage to hold on to that advantage fo long.

Please identify guns

• Can anyone say what make Tom Ryan's rifle was? It seemed from the noise made to be fully automatic. Anthony Appleyard 16:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
• Also there were two men with UK police-type riotsquad helmets and UK police-issue automatic carbines.: please what make of gun is this? Anthony Appleyard 07:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Captain Tom Ryan, used an American M4 Carbine Assault rifle, which is the standered infantry weapon of the Australian, and English SAS (A well as many U.S Special forces soldiers). The other SAS Troops use the German H&K G36. The G-36 is not used in the English SAS. British Armed Responce Police force do not use it either, they use the MP-5 Sub-machine gun. Nath1991 (talk. The SAS troopers are also armed with Glock Semi-automatic pistols. Glock Pistols are also used by Cutter and Steven in the last episode where they both shoot the "future predetor".

In Episode 2, it is worthwile to note when the SAS troops are running down the Underground train tunnel trying to locate the "Spiders" a head on shot of the troops is shown, on one of the soldiers one of the weapons appears to be a Steyr AUG or a British made SA-80 , the british Bulpup weapon, based on the Steyr AUG design. Nath1991 (talk) 05:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

That would be difficult, considering the SA80 has got nothing whatsoever to do with the Steyr. Nick Cooper (talk) 14:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Cast list

I cut down the cast list just to include the main characters, but the longer list has been reinstated with a request for discussion before re-deletion. My rationale was that just including the main cast would keep the list a reasonable length and give readers an idea of who was key to the series - this seems standard for TV articles. Perhaps the cast from individual episodes could be included in an episode list article or individual episode articles if/when these are created? I chose those listed in the opening credits and on the official website (though we could add more if some of episode one's other characters turn out to be reoccurring). Jihg 13:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've split the cast into main plus others for now. Could we restrict the list to characters that appear in the end credits? (Jill and Duncan would go...) Jihg 13:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Some of the deleted characters (e.g. Ben and Ryan) had important parts in Episode 1. Anthony Appleyard 17:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Ideally we move them to episode articles if/when that happens. Jihg 15:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it necessary to spoil the fate of so many characters??? Many Wikipedia readers may not have seen the series as a whole, and without reading the sinopsis of the seasons in detail, they already know who's gonna die at the end of each one! It would be much easier to just mention "appears only in first Season", and saying nothing about the events in the Second Season Finale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.132.185.92 (talk) 17:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

The unsigned comment above is mine. Now I have created an account and corrected the section on my own. Wow, my first edition in Wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fassbinder69 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Cult

I removed the "cult" descriptions. It's an SF drama. No one is making Primeval into a religion. It's not the world's most serious show, but it's still demeaning to classify it with such a term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barsoomian (talk • contribs) 16:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

It meant Cult following, not cult. I've disambig the wiki-links. Cheers, Mark t young (talk) 17:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Mick Harper

Can I suggest we do a page on Mick Harper? Public interferance is a crucial story in Primeval, plus he is coming back. 06:08:08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Primeval Demon (talk • contribs) 06:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Australian Series

I'm an avid Australian Primeval fan, but we only got the first series of primeval here in Australia. I have emailed the braodcasting station wether they would be showing Series 2 & 3, but they said they would not, because the ratings were low. (im personally upset by this). Now the DVD's are unlikly to be released here in Australia, because of that reason. Does anyone know if the DVDs are going to be released here in Australia, and if so when?. Also i they arnt, how can i get a copy. I think it will be difficult because i think there is a DVD code that is only playable in certain countries. If anyone could send me an Email at <email redacted> Thanks

If it does not show up legally in your country, Wikipedia is not the place to ask. For legal DVDs just tell your local video store you will buy when they show up. That is the sort of thing most businesses start tracking when more than a couple people ask.69.23.124.142 (talk) 00:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Season 3 airdate

Reading the article, there appears to be conflicting information about the airdate of Season 3.. near the top it is indicated that ITV will air season 3 sometime in January, but further below it is redacted: "It has been put back for a release date of February 2009." So which one is it? January or February? Brynet (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

It appears these edits are responsible: 11:30, 1 December 2008 87.97.203.95 (Talk) (24,942 bytes) (Production) 20:54, 22 November 2008 81.105.24.64 (Talk) (24,621 bytes) (Production) I'm reverting them.. I can't find any references to this February airing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.117.234 (talk) 05:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge proposal for Episode 1 (Primeval) and Episode 6 (Primeval)

The article for Episode 13 (Primeval) was redirected to List of Primeval episodes per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Episode 13 (Primeval) in September 2008. The other episode articles were tagged for lack of notability in November 2008, but no improvement happened, so most of them were redirected as well. However, Episode 1 (Primeval) and Episode 6 (Primeval) may make some claims of notability, but contain no non-plot content that can't as well be covered in the articles Primeval and List of Primeval episodes. I therefore propose to merge them here/there and afterwards redirect them as well. Another option is to expand these two articles (and also the other ep articles) with so much sourced real-world information that a merger would no longer makes sense. I'll probably leave this merge proposal open for four weeks. Please avoid WP:ILIKEIT comments, as this neither improves the articles nor addresses why the current real-world content of the articles can't be presented in a parent article like here (WP:NOT#PLOT explains wikipedias view on plot summaries). – sgeureka ^t•c 16:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I added several referenced episode reviews to Episode 1 a while back and worked to shorten the plot summary (which is still too long), but was unsure where to find production information to balance it out. I will set up sandboxes to work on these episode articles further. Is there a central "wikiproject" for this show where it would be possible to set up a communal sandbox? »S0CO^{(talk|contribs)} 17:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

You can use the wiki articles as communal sandboxes, and the article's talkpages to drop usable sources so that other editors can use them. The articles already pass the minimum threshold for inclusion, and as long as I know that there is someone who is interested in improving these articles, there is no reason (for me) to merge the articles. – sgeureka ^t•c 18:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

De-linking dates?

Shouldn't all the linked dates in this article be de-linked per WP:MOSNUM and WP:OVERLINKING? – ukexpat (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

writers?

Who are the writers on this thing? It's just unimaginably poorly executed at times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.77.161 (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

So fix it! – ukexpat (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Augh! Augh! Augh! Augh! Augh!

Is it my ears or does this show overuse the Wilhelm scream hilariously too much?! I bet the sound engineers love that scream sound effect a lot, because just about every episode uses it! --58.178.120.140 (talk) 06:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ha! I agree, but I don't think that this is the place to discuss this. Jozal (talk) 14:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

A lot of shows and movies use the Wilhelm scream. It's probably something that they decided to include in each episode as a little continuity joke. MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I know, I love the scream too. It's just something I couldn't help noticing. 58.178.120.140 (talk) 12:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

It might be intentional. The makers of the US series "The Middleman" deliberately used the Wilhelm Scream at least once in every episode. It became a signature for them. 69.201.159.57 (talk) 08:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it notable that a british show uses an american spelling?

I always thought it was Primaeval.

The opening credits say Primeval. I think the original spelling in pre-production of the first seris was Primaeval (it was announced as such), but this was changed before the first airing for whatever reason. MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I find it non-notable for this article; might be more useful on the article comparing British & American English and other spelling articles, but not here. Jon (talk) 02:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Not particularly American either...just not UK. 69.23.124.142 (talk) 00:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Oxford dictionaries give Primeval first, and Primaeval as a variant. And they say if you spell it with an æ thingy they will come round to your house and tease your dog and disrespect your Mum and stuff. (I may have paraphrased that last bit slightly.) DBaK (talk) 18:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

does

does anyone know where to find a source for the broadcast date of season 3 in america? I think it should be added to the article so people don't keep asking. Star Hound (talk) 03:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Hasn't been revealed yet, and it really isn't any more important than the first air dates on any other channel. Only ITV is really necessary. If you want to see when it starts, I'd suggest checking the BBC America website. MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I have heard rumors about it premiering in October-November 2009. Star Hound (talk) 00:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Rumours are rumours. MelicansMatkin (talk) 01:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, anybody know if there has been a confirmed series 4? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.62.130 (talk) 17:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Considering that season 1 just started airing in Sci-Fi last Friday, could be awhile for that channel. (Looking at May, it looks like they are going to run season 2 immediately following season 1.) But BBC America ran at least all of season 1 last summer, so they might air season 3 sooner. Jon (talk) 02:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Why does it take so long to go from UK to USA? They're both the same language, so there's no reason for a delay. 24.4.236.247 (talk) 02:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Could be any number of reasons ranging from a full schedule listing for BBC American to a simple licensing issue for the series. There are plenty of reasons for delays, we just don't know what the actual ones are. MelicansMatkin (talk) 02:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

It is all licensing and marketing. The original funding market gets to see it first. Plus secondary markets like to see the ratings before committing to buying. And unless Primeval does amazingly well on SciFi...well I am pretty sure the big UK ratings drop for season 3 will prevent US markets from buying. Networks do not like to pay top dollar or reserve prime time for known ratings sinkers. 69.23.124.142 (talk) 00:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Original research on viewership

I'm concerned about the following statement that keeps being added in: Although episode 3.3 received low viewer ratings, it was running for the second half against a special edition of the very popular BBC programme Dr. Who, which meant that, in many cases, viewers chose to watch Dr. Who as Primeval is repeated many more times during the week. These figures do not take into account the viewing figures for repeats of the programme, the number of watchers who choose to record it and then watch it later, or the viewing of the episodes on ITV Player and Youtube. Therefore viewing figures may in reality be a lot higher, and the show's popularity may not have decreased, rather, the way that people choose to view the show may have changed.

If you check the article history, you can see I'm not the only who agrees that this is unencyclopedic. Contrary to comments posted in the rationale by the IP, my ethnicity has nothing to do with my understanding of either the series or how to edit Wikipedia properly. Comments such as "its only you who thinks that bub, and you're canadian so you wouldn't know!" and "shut up ass cheese" is also not conducive to a proper discussion. I suggest looking at several Wikipedia policies to see why the above content is unencyclopedic and should not be included. WP:OR, NOT, and WP:V, three of the projects most important policies, are a good place to start. If a source can be found that backs up the information it can be readded, but as of now it's inclusion violates these three policies. Keep in mind that sources need to be reliable; forums are not considered to be reliable sources and are always removed if added. If there is disagreement with my assessment, please discuss it here instead of edit-warring. MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The only comment on the history that agrees with your claims is the following. "(cur) (prev) 15:11, 12 April 2009 78.105.17.36 (talk) (26,919 bytes) (→Reception: I'm not sure it's encyclopaedic content, but fixed a few spelling errors and tightened a few sentences) (undo)" and guess what, all they did was change the wording slightly, so, you're making a fuss out of absolutley nothing! I actually couldn't care less whether its on there, but know you've started a war, you've got a war! And i warn you, i love arguments and i have to ALWAYS win! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.70.157 (talk)

Oh and btw, there are many references for this article taken from digital spy. hmmmmmm, let me think, isn't that a forum?! Eagit!

It's not just about "comments", but the actual content changes you have to look at; this edit for one. The fact is that the information that keeps being added fails WP:OR, WP:NOT, and WP:V. It's unencyclopedic, original research, and should not be added. The question is about quality, not whether you "always have to win", and should Dispute Resolution or reporting for violation of 3RR come into question, that kind of attitude will not work in your favour as you clearly have no interest in collaboration. And you're right, all the references from forums should be removed because they fail WP:RS. MelicansMatkin (talk) 20:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The article has been fully protected for one week. I suggest that you present your reasons for why the above content should be included, and how it does not fail the numerous policies I have listed above so that a proper and civil discussion can ensue. MelicansMatkin (talk) 06:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Whatever... i actually cant be bothered now... not if it involves me working hard! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.72.118 (talk) 14:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

That's your choice not to bother discussing it, but it does mean that this issue is resolved and the content will not be included. MelicansMatkin (talk) 19:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks like most of the paragraph as proposed would violate WP:OR. About the only thing that wouldn't from that source would be to simply state the Easter Special of Doctor Who was also airing during that timeslot and it had a rating of (whatever it was). Anything saying anything like Primeval fans are Doctor Who fans needs a reliable source. There does however appear to be a another problem with the source. It looks to me like the link will either become a dead link or worse yet the entire content will be replaced with the following weeks ratings. Jon (talk) 03:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Would you say that the paragraph (as it's currently worded in the article) is okay? I share your sentiments about the source possibly expiring; they may simply move the information to a different page (like some music charts do), and if not then maybe a search in the internet archives could help. What do you think? MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:44, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Did anyone else notice that the first few episodes of season 3 were directly in competition with the timeslot for Robin Hood on BBC One? I think this could explain the lower viewing figures. 86.136.219.196 (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Just does not make a difference as it can be assumed that Primeval would similarly run against big shows in the US and other secondary markets. This is just proof that it was a marginal program from a marketing standpoint. No network intentionally buys programs only suitable as fillers for off-primetime hours as that happens enough on their own new program experiments. Most networks prefer to fill with rerun of old cheap or free standards 20 or 30 years old.69.23.124.142 (talk) 00:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Viewing figure

(Moved from top top page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC))

{{editprotected}} Can you please add in that the final viewing figures for season 3 episode 2 was 4.94. 92.20.155.76 (talk) 11:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I have no reason to doubt your facts, but could you give me the URL which verifies this? I had a look at BARB but couldn't find the relevant page. Thanks, — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

It was on BARB. I looked on the Top 30 shows for the week ending the 5th April. Primeval was number 14 for ITV http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyTopProgrammesOverview?_s=4 92.20.155.76 (talk) 09:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

awards?

did primeval won any awards so far? i read it won something in CGI.--Rex92 (talk) 08:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

^^^Have you seen the show? There's no way Primeval has ever won a legitimate award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.242.144 (talk) 19:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

End of series

There are IDIOTS who are putting spoilers up for the final episode, which has not been shown yet in the UK. Stop it you stupid selfish people.(Discobadgers · talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC).

Can we have the article protected for at least the next couple of weeks? Someone else is trying to spoil it now (Discobadgers · talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC).

Per WP:SPOILER we do not prevent spoilers from being added so long as they are sourced. If you don't want to know what happens, don't read it. MelicansMatkin (talk) 14:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Useful info

Some useful information can probably be gleaned from this intervew with Adrian Hodges. Cheers. MelicansMatkin (talk) 14:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)