Talk:Kesha

This Love

This Love is NOT a cover of the Veronicas. Kesha wrote the song, so the Veronicas version is a Kesha cover! ;-)

http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=502974750&search_in=i&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=20&start=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.154.229.233 (talk) 18:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually she wrote "This Love" for the Veronicas. So her singing it would probably still be a cover, even though she wrote it. (She proabably sang on the demo version). 155.69.192.97 (talk) 05:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Right Round video

Is this really the same singer as the one featured in Flo-Rida's video "Right Round" ? Because to me she seems to be rather black in the video while she looks rather white on her Myspace page?--Daondo (talk) 21:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

She is the featured female vocals on the song, but is not in the video... - Adolphus79 (talk) 23:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense then. I was sort of confused about that too, haha. I wonder why she wasn't in the video? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tikkuy (talk • contribs) 07:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Keyshia Cole is in the Flo Rida video while Ke$ha did the lyrics. Similar names, I was confused too. --82.141.225.169 (talk) 12:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

"LACE AND LEATHER" What does it mean by "Lace and Leather" by Britney Spears? She hasn't have a video for that song. Did she co-write the song? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.63.103 (talk) 22:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

she just does background vocals for the song. it's an album track on britney's album 155.69.192.97 (talk) 02:57, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Notability

Her own article? Seriously? She's not even much of a singer. :/ Paperxcrip (talk) 05:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

She has released one of her own singles and did a song with Flo Rida. I think it's notable. --82.141.225.169 (talk) 12:20, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Glitch in edit summary

My last edit summary should refer to discographies, not biographies. Aargh. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:44, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Article Issues?

Regarding this edit by Alankc, please show me where any of those issue templates are needed in this article?

• Additional references - 15 aren't enough?
• Fan Site - What about this article is anything resembling fancruft?
• WP:OR - Where in this article is there anything that is not cited by a reference?
• Factual Accuracy - what is disputed?
• Notability - Already survived one AfD, clearly passes WP:MUSICBIO...
• Context - The lead makes a clear introduction as to who she is, what could a reader be confused by?
• Expand - Sure... as much as I believe that every article needs expanded, but there is only so much information available about some subjects...
• Lead Expansion - Alright, I admit this one has some merit... The lead could probably use another line or two...
• External Links - Which of the external links does not comply with WP:EL?
• Footnotes - Did you miss the inline citations throughout this article?
• Orphan - What?!?!?

I think that this was either a mistake, a bad faith edit, or someone just didn't bother reading the article first... As such, I have removed them, please discuss before restoring... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Picture?

This is Kesha's press page by RCA (for journalists to use when writing about her) http://www.rcamusicgrouppress.com/index.php?artist=Kesha Does that qualify the pictures on the website for fair use? 155.69.192.146 (talk) 09:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

No... because those image are owned by RCA, see WP:NFC#UULP, and the rest of WP:NONFREE... promotional (press release) photos are generally frowned upon due to the copyright being held by the promotional entity (in this case, RCA)... If you can email RCA, and get them to release one of the images into the public domain (or even under one of the Creative Commons licenses), then we could use it... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

If you wish to add a photo of Ke$ha, you will need it to be released to the public domain. If you take a picture of Ke$ha and you upload it to Wiki, that's ok as long as you are say it's ok. But then anyone, anywhere can use it. --82.141.225.169 (talk) 12:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Saying "Ke$ha/Kesha"

Is her name more like Kee-sha, and not Kesh-a, the IPA to me says Kesh-a. Just wanna make sure it's right. --82.141.225.169 (talk) 12:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

'Key'-sha... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:01, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Kesh-a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW8SiYDmO_I (0:30) 155.69.192.97 (talk) 02:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but I don't see the rationale behind citing the YouTube video with her saying her name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#When_to_cite_sources ? Again, sorry if this sounds like I'm targeting whoever put the reference there. 155.69.192.168 (talk) 06:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Facebook page/album information.

I personally don't think Facebook is a notable source. However facebook.com/kesha is her actual FB page as said in her site: keshasparty.com, (click the FB logo at bottom left). I think a reference note saying that her information on her album has been posted to FB should be notable. --Kei_Jo (aka Keithf2008) (Talk to me, baby! :P) 11:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was move to Kesha (singer). --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV 13 ^{other crap} 00:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Kesha Sebert → Ke$ha — See WP:CN. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV 13 ^{other crap} 20:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - The article was originally titled Kesha (singer), but her real name is Kesha Sebert, and that was the name she used for her credits previous to Ke$ha... Ke$ha is only a recently created stage name, so I believe that the current title would be the correct one to use... - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. Special characters, such as "$", used for decorative purposes should not be included in article titles. --DAJF (talk) 10:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. No special characters that stand in for letters/words per MOS:TM. Article has been moved to "Kesha (singer)" per common name anyway. Chase wc⁹¹ 01:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Explanation of move

Ke$ha's real name is Kesha Sebert, but her professional recording name is Ke$ha; this is the name she is credited with on "Right Round" and "TiK ToK", which are right now her only single releases. For article titles, we often go with a person's more commonly-known name, such as Lil Wayne instead of Dwayne Carter, Eminem instead of Marshall Mathers, Katy Perry instead of Katheryn Hudson, Lady Gaga instead of Stefani Germanotta, etc. And "Ke$ha" cannot be used per MOS:TM; we cannot use special characters that stand in for letters or words. I recommend discussing before moving again. Chase wc⁹¹ 01:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Interview with Digital Spy

Interesting interview here with DigitalSpy. Kesha gives more background on how Tik Tok came about, among other interesting facts and how she got signed. Here is the article Raintheone (talk) 03:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Eh re-phrase: Just for Tik Tok article, is there any more we could use from this article for Kesha's page? I'd go and edit but you all seem to be doing a great job already at keeping on top of things. Raintheone (talk) 03:39, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Hotel California.

It's been brought up in many of her interviews (mostly by herself) that she lives in a "treehouse/mansion" hybrid in Laurel Canyon "where the Eagles recorded Hotel California" (the song? the album?), I can't find information anywhere else that can be used to confirm the claim (that the Eagles recorded Hotel California in a mansion and not a conventional recording studio where most albums are recorded). And it's kind of hard to believe as well, can anyone confirm this for the article? Thanks! 155.69.192.183 (talk) 05:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Lead

Shouldn't there be at least a sentence in the lead about "TiK ToK" since it's coming into the public conscience? Just a thought. 155.69.192.212 (talk) 06:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

MOS

So, I've been reading up and nowhere in the MOS do I see anything about non-standard/unusual formatting being disallowed as stated by Nouse4aname.155.69.192.47 (talk) 10:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't know if this applies, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(trademarks), but I guess that means we can refer to Kesha as Ke$ha in the lead and Tik Tok as TiK ToK the first time is appears only. Are those considered trademarks? 155.69.192.47 (talk) 10:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

See the requested move section above for further discussion. Essentially the words are rendered according to standard formatting, with a note in the lead along the lines of "Tik Tok" (styled as TiK ToK)... etc etc. Nouse4aname (talk) 11:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Single Discography template

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kesha_(singer)&oldid=329216935

What's the point in changing the whole code to make it look exactly the same as it was with the standard singles discography template? Seems like Ryan3896490 is waging an edit war. 155.69.192.175 (talk) 09:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Judging from his recent edits, seems like he just doesn't know how the code works and only knows how to add information to the table he made, thus the complete and unnecessary overhaul. He's also ignoring a message I left on his user talk page. 155.69.192.175 (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Ke$ha or Kesha

Should the infobox and links to this article say Ke$ha or Kesha? ([[Kesha (singer)|Ke$ha]] or [[Kesha (singer)|Kesha]]) -ραncακemisτακe ^talk 17:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe that anything other than her real name should use Ke$ha, since that is her stage name, but it seems everytime I change it, it is reverted without discussion... Ke$ha is her stage name, not Kesha, but her real name Kesha should be used within this article to differentiate her from her mother... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

As per WP:MOSTM we should avoid "using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration". Do we say her name as Kesha or Ke-dollar-ha? The "$" is purely for decoration and does not need to be maintained. A simple note (as is already present) regarding the styling of her stage name is all that is required. Nouse4aname (talk) 19:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Redirect undone

I've undone Adishesha's redirect to Ke$ha as 1) was not discussed here first 2) should be a move instead of a redirect so as to keep the editing history. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge?

• Merge Ke$ha to Kesha (singer)? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:35, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
  • A history merge was more appropriate, because the page was moved by cut and paste a second time in this edit (note that the edit on the right of that diff used to be at the title "Ke$ha"). I've done the history merge and reversed the page move. Graham87 11:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Other leaked tracks which might be on a rumored deluxe album

Alien's invading, A bad girl's lament, Boom boom bang (Ft Busbee), Chain reaction, Disgusting, Former over exposed blonde, Fuck him (he's a DJ), Get in line, Mouth, This love, Never know bout love, Radio radio radio, Slow motion, V.I.P, Butterscotch, You're freaking me out and Secret weapon. The song This love was covered by The Veronicas for their Hook Me Up album. 188.220.159.101 (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

First, Kesha wrote "This Love", it was not a cover... second, do you have any references for these other songs? - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:26, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually she wrote "This Love" for the Veronicas. So her singing it would probably still be a cover, even though she wrote it. (She proabably sang on the demo version, but that doesn't count as the Veronicas covering the song. Anyway, don't see why this information belongs on the artist article. 155.69.192.97 (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Firstly i said the Veronica's covered her song actually. Not sure it totally a source but http://www.aimini.net/file/?q=Ke$ha&crpl=kum0qk-0-u&tot=2w&nxt=30 Paris Hilton song is true as she talked about it on the Scott Mills show BBC Radio 1. She says her name in some of the songs and it sounds like it is her. (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Not a good source, probably some compilation put together by a fan who wants more tracks. All of those songs are by Kesha. 155.69.192.97 (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Bisexuality

According to an interview in Out Magazine, Kesha is bisexual.

Kesha for Out Magazine

Reprint in Advocate.com A Man from Poland (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Did you listen to the interview? She says she "likes people", "wouldn't say I'm gay or straight", and "don't like labels". Is that enough? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, she left it pretty open-ended, needs more confirmation. 155.69.192.97 (talk) 23:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I've looked for other sources - all of them refer to "speculation" and "rumour". I don't think that's enough. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

There's no point to label her anything, unless she comes out and flat out says it. —Mike Allen 00:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

For me it's obvious that if she says not gay, not straight, that means that she is bisexual, but I understand why we should wait until it will be unequivocal. 79.163.255.234 (talk) 00:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Well for me, it looks like people would be wanting to try and improve her article, not trying figure out what her sexual origination is and how to add that. Also see WP:BLP, WP:SYNTHESIS. and of course WP:OR  :) At any rate, if more and more reliable sources publish this, then I think it would be fine to add. I mean I don't know how it would add anything useful, but WP is not against it. —Mike Allen 00:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we can use any sources based on that interview. WP:BLPCAT requires self-indentification. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Reliability/Verifiability of "Official Bio", all material from it

I don't feel like Ke$ha's official artist bio meets verifiability and reliability guidelines under Wikipedia:Reliable_sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources.

Specifically

• http://ke$hasparty.com is not known for fact checking rigor
• it is a professional marketing tool, which is tantamount to—if not less reliable than—self-publishing
• it has significant reason to misrepresent or fabricate facts in the interests of marketing
• even as an autobiographical source, it
  • references a third party
  • presents reasons to doubt its authenticity
  • is not based on third party publications

Cosmo the third (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps linking to the official artist bio via RCARecords.com would be more acceptable? Since it would be better qualified for "fact checking rigor" and would not qualify as self-publishing (?)
• The first and last points do hold, it references a few third parties and seems to be a primary source
• However, I'm not sure how there is reason to doubt its authenticity (it is about Kesha, on Kesha's official website) 155.69.192.97 (talk) 04:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)