Talk:She Wants Revenge

An End to the Genre Debate

Let's just settle this once and for all on what their "genre" truly is: SHAMELESS CASH-IN/Bandwagon Music. 74.69.64.52 (talk) 23:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

The "genre" She Wants Revenge plays is "Darkwave":

To be more precise: A mix of Post-punk/Indie rock, Goth/New Wave and 80s Synth/Electronic Rock. Darkwave includes all these styles. Indie-Rock is one style of music and Darkwave is a variety of music styles that are related. (So You can put indie rock in darkwave, but you can't put darkwave in indie.) (82.43.99.178 (talk) 04:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC))

You responded to the wrong person, didn't you? 74.69.64.52 (talk) 20:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Darkwave or Gothic Rock?

come on people, make up your minds! which one is it?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.191.192 (talk) 21:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Both. (212.183.136.193 (talk) 22:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC))

Influences? Yes! Pure Goth or Dark Wave? No!. So please, don't call them a Dark Wave band. I'll revert it. --Chontamenti (talk) 10:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Pure Dark Wave? Are you serious? Darkwave is an alternative to "Goth" - so there is no "pure" darkwave band out there. There are only bands associated with the first wave of the term and those that followed. Some of the most well known bands of the term mix heavily with other genres: Diary of Dreams (darkwave, BUT with industrial and most recently futurepop)... Girls Under Glass & Project Pitchfork... (darkwave, also with industrial and influences in EBM)... (early) Dead Can Dance (darkwave, in the original sense: dark new wave music BUT only for their early music. Now they're world music and often labeled new age)...Blutengel and L'Âme Immortelle... (darkwave, but way too gothic, aka. female vs. male vocals with dramatic minor chords and samples, and with much too club orientated industrial- to be "PURE" darkwave) even Das Ich and Tragic Black and Clan of Xymox all have encorporated various other genres into their darkwave spectrum. "Pure" is not a very smart thing to say, so She Wants Revenge IS darkwave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.136.193 (talk) 10:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Diary of Dreams has nothing to do with Industrial music

Project Pitchfork has nothing to do with Industrial music or EBM

Blutengel and L'Âme Immortelle have nothing to do with Dark Wave

--Just who wrote this? Can I see a list of what is "actual" Dark Wave, rather than claiming these bands have nothing to do with anything. Oh yeah and to add Dead Can Dance has nothing to do with Dark Wave. Neither does Wolfsheim

Welcome to reality. --Feu Follet (talk) 13:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Feu Follet, I saw your comment on the talk page calling Prince "Black Music" as an excuse against She Wants Revenge being a darkwave. A few bands cite him as an influence although they fit into the goth rock category, most notably Peter Murphy covering "Purple Rain" by Prince. That doesn't make him "black music". You need to listen to the music. Read She Wants Revenge's Talk Page carefully and stop looking at colour of skin. The other half of the duo is "white". She Wants Revenge 'is' Darkwave. In the original sense of the term: dark new wave music.(82.44.56.98 (talk) 13:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC))

It seems that you have a problem with education. Prince is Black music! --Feu Follet (talk) 13:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

There is no problem. He's plays soft rock, and funk - but you're calling his entire career based on the color of his skin. So please, if I'm uneducated, and quite a few others here on the talk page are too - What is Darkwave? Please explain it without going into "ethereal darkwave": if you understand the meaning of the term you should understand what I'm talking about because I still feel She Wants Revenge is darkwave, as much as Siouxsie and The Banshees and The Sisters of Mercy were, both of which She Wants Revenge shows a strong influence from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.56.98 (talk) 14:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Read this article. I'm bored of your racism nonsense. SWR is an Indie-/Alternative-oriented Post-punk group with a Darkwave influence, nothing more. --Feu Follet (talk) 14:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Then you shouldn't have brought up the term at all. Listen to them again, and read the rest of the page. Do you know why they were even called indie in the first place? Because of Interpol. Two completely different bands in sound. It would help if you explained what is darkwave is' before changing the article. I have seen many others describe/come close to the meaning on this talk page, but you have yet to make any real definition of it. Because the term is so underground, and unheard of it's easy to confuse it - especially with a band as popular as She Wants Revenge, but I can assure you the term describes them better than any other description. You tried describing them using multiple genres, which didn't help. Showing their wide influences, they fit under one term. That term is Darkwave. So please explain what it is. (82.44.56.98 (talk) 14:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC))

Gezz, go back to the 80s. Darkwave was the dark side of New Wave music. SWR sounds not like New Wave. Its more Indie/Electronica than 80s Wave. Don't you understand? They sound like a 90s Indie group with an Electroclash or Indietronic influence. I listen to Wave music since 25 years! That's why i can recognize the differences between SWR's music and typical Wave music! --Feu Follet (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

This also shows how ignorant you are! They don't have to be the next De/Vision or Mesh or And One to prove they have a strong influence from new wave/synthpop. You don't speak english as your first language, do you. I don't mean to be rude, but it's obvious. Terms have different meanings in different languages but there's no denying they certainly make an overtone of synthpop new wave in all their music. They have covered "Stripped" as well as touring with Depeche Mode. Love My Way covered by The Psychedelic Furs is a completely synthpop song, not electronic or indie. There's always a drum machine, showing influence from The Sisters of Mercy if not the overtly obvious Lucretia My Reflection tribute song "She Will Always Be A Broken Girl". There are synthpop hooks most notably in Tear You Apart (yeah that electronic bass line is not a bass guitar), These Two Words, that new song Animal Attraction and Out of Control. If they're not overtly 80's atleast, there is something wrong with what part of She Wants Revenge you are listening to. The vast majority of bands in their influences that you can hear in their music is connected with the 80's. The only part of She Wants Revenge that is electroclash is the remix Ladytron did of Tear You Apart. It's obvious they are highly new wave in sound, what an odd thing to say trying to combat this idea. (82.44.56.98 (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC))

And also, I said that the term Dark Wave means dark New Wave Music first. You don't make a very good argument... I have complete understanding what the term means and what real bands are connected with the term: from Anne Clarke to Diary of Dreams, but yet I agree with many others that She Wants Revenge is apart of the term. I have made the phrase "musical group" in the article to end this war, but Darkwave remains in their genre box meaning you know they make darkwave music just as much as I do. You are very childish. (82.44.56.98 (talk) 16:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC))

Maybe you should add Synthpop and New Wave, because you're speaking about these genres/movements. --Feu Follet (talk) 12:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I should, but you and I know Darkwave covers Synthpop and New Wave. (82.43.97.14 (talk) 14:58, 2 July 2009 (UTC))

Similar Artists and Influences

The 'Similar Artists and Influences' section is incredibly clumsy. Anyone agree that it should be removed? Cnwb 00:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Absolutely. Way too many artists, listed in far too much of a rambling fashion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.87.40 (talk • contribs)

It was a copy of their list of influences, as written on their myspace page. I thought it was pertinent... but I guess not. Philosopher Torin 05:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, that is off of their myspace page, and I have read it before somewhere else too. I think the band just spouted off influences, so I say to keep it. Maybe shorten it down a bit...but it is their list that seems to be passed around.

Justyn1337 16:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Am I the only one who thinks that if we are going to list their influences, we should just leave it with Joy Division? The lead singer sounds exactly like Ian Curtis (...and Interpol).74.12.79.82 20:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, is that an insult to Ian Curtis. Ian had depth and range and emotion. The SWR guy is a pale imitation. --72.94.62.177 (talk) 20:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC) RE: Similar Artists Can we mention that they sound very similar to Cake? Im pretty sure no.. and I think they sound nothing like Cake. I love Cake and She Wants Revenge but the sounds are at the opposites of each other. --Darkfox404 (talk) 06:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be mentioned that Adam 12 is a former member of powerman 5000? He should have his own page. --Darkfox404 (talk) 06:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

She Wants Revenge meets two of the WP:MUSIC guidelines, though only one is needed. They were featured in a Wikipedia approved national music source[1], and they are currently on a national tour [2] [3].

KROQ might have made them famous, but KDLD played them first. This fact should be included in this article. 69.232.35.139 07:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Goth Rock?

They are a dark post-punk group, but they are not a goth rock group. They sound nothing like Children on Stun or Every New Dead Ghost. More like if Ian Curtis was playing in New Order who was a Kraut Rock cover band.

Justyn1337 16:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

But they do draw heavy influence from Bauhaus. WesleyDodds 12:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying that no group can qualify as Goth Rock unless their sound mimics that of another Goth Rock band? Which means that all Goth Rock is the same and inherently bad? Or are you just trying to sound like you know what you're talking about?

Yes, they draw a lot of influence from Joy Division as well as the Bauhaus, BUT they also are influenced a lot by Johnathan Fire Eater as well as Neu! So that means they should be an Goth-Indie-Krautrock band then? The thing about goth is they don't all sound alike, true. Look at Gloria Mundi, Specimen, and Jad Wio. Nothing alike, but still goth, indeed. BUT, I feel She Wants Revenge is more for Neo-Post-Punk/New-Wave Revival/What have you. Goth rock is more fashioned by icy synthesizers (if any) deeper male vocals, more hard rock influence, rather than an experimental afterpunk style, which She Wants Revenge uses. I feel they have more in common style wise with Joy Division (whom is not a goth rock band, but post-punk) rather than the Sisters.

Justyn1337 03:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I thank you so much for bringing this up! THIS IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY 'ROCK'. I had first heard "Out of Control" on a MySpace page, and I was about to figure: hell, is this Depeche Mode or what? The intro beats of "Out of Control" do remind me of their 1987 dark-ish hit "Never Let Me Down Again". This sounds so damn 80s synthpop/new wave.
Rock?
Not even their first name! -andy 80.129.89.204 20:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

this freak band IS GOTH....can't you tell by his singing? 69.234.113.231 02:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

If you mean he has a deep melodramatic voice, then what about other bands who do as well? His voice reminds me a lot like Interpol, the Editors, Joy Division (they are not goth, they are post-punk, they merely were a big influence, so was the Doors, Velvet Underground, and Gloria Mundi), Chameleons, etc. Are those goth bands? No, they are post-punk bands. Yes, they have a goth following...but so does Depeche Mode, Adam and the Ants, Bow Wow Wow, The Adicts, The Misfits, and many other bands. Are they goth? No. But, the sound of this band, the lyrics, the insturments, it sounds almost nothing of what you'd consider goth. Post-Punk/New Wave revival. Period.

yeah that may be true about other bands influencing she wants revenge. but not only his low, monotone singing but also his dark lyrics make case to the fact they are at least PART or greatly influenced in goth. 69.234.141.9 22:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

....Which is what I basically said. They are influenced by goth, but they aren't a goth band. I mean, hell, The Flaming Lips are influenced by Chrome and they aren't an avant-garde industrial band. She Wants Revenge loves Bauhaus, but they aren't a goth band. Justyn1337 15:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Justyn1337 19:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

• Jesus... If it's not Interpol it's Bauhaus - they're not just a shadow of every other band that ever existed. So basically everyone's idea is that its impossible to come from a Hip-hop background to becoming the perfect goth band.

Just a little note that they've been accepted in the underground goth department, goth or not, with the likes of Porl King from Rosetta Stone;Razed in Black... Eva O from Christian Death... Well I'm one person but the first song from that Tribute that is linkable yet is from [4] Razed in Black's myspace - just so I'm not lying about the Tribute album. It helps but may not prove they're goth rock. Discogs notifies them as a goth rock band aswell [5]

Need a better discussion with their sound and they're choice of words regarded as deeper and darker than any other straight forward Post-punk band. Why argue? Everyone has their own idea - If they're remotely gothic, have a remotely gothic sound, have a gothy following: it must be one of their genres. Someone needs a damn good arguement for what goth rock really is before saying She Wants Revenge are completely not goth.

Hautskin 16:21, 19 November 2006

They're influenced by Bauhaus and they sound like a major ripoff of Joy Division at times, but they're also influenced equally by Depeche Mode and are more acurately labeled as part of the post-punk revival movement. WesleyDodds 17:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I understand they're not core. I just feel that just calling the band alternative and indie makes them fit into all these pop categories of other bands at the moment, which they are not. Surely they should be part of the Synth-pop genres... anything? I just hope people can see that they're not just the average alternative sounding band.

If not, I feel we'll see the death of any new goth bands that can balance post-punk with synth-pop.

Hautskin 17:37, 21 November 2006

I still feel the need to mention that I've got a big problem with the genre reverts. I don't mind Indie Rock as a tag but it's an annoyingly loose term that does work for this particular band, as they belong to an independent label, but there's is so much more here if somebody who listens with goth rock ear.

Atleast alternative. Synthesizers are half the band's music, not dominant in indie rock genres, but in post-punk revival bands I suppose, but as mentioned before - every Goth Rock band does not sound exactly the same and use the exact same approach.

I'll only feel the need to challenge these views if this particular band is going to have it's page constantly reverted by the same person, without a convincing argument that they are only part of indie and post-punk revival genres.

Just to add, influences are confusing to come to a final decision with as they are also influenced from Echo & The Bunnymen to The Doors, Nosferatu as well as Radiohead[6] - but don't sound dominantly like any of these bands. I'd say that because of the lead singer's vocals forever mocked with Interpol or Joy Division rips. Hautskin 20:01, 17 January 2007

"She Wants Revenge" definitely has a foot firmly placed in Goth Rock. Justin's vocal style particularly suggests this, to me. However, I'm not going to change the genre and spark an edit war. Just putting in my two bits. - Enzo Dragon 00:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

To call She Wants Revenge a "Suicide cover band" is appaulingly inaccurate. First of all I don't know them to have actually covered any Suicide songs (please correct me if I'm wrong) and secondly Suicide were an extraordinary band, but their sound was significantly different. One can debate what the influences are for SWR, and Suicide deserves to be mentioned, but to say that all they do is rip off Suicide is simply wrong. They rip off lots of people. The entry has been corrected to expand on the source inspirations a bit more. Perhaps there's a happy medium somewhere between too many influences and one wrong one.

Slyrevolutionary 14:30 PST, 13 February 2007

wow... I've never heard of a complaint about being a rip-off from Suicide... let alone being compared to Suicide in any way... that's a first for me Hautskin 22:31, 17 February 2007

Darkwave?

O.o they sound a lot like Dark Wave to me... wouldn't that be an appropriate genre? x_X Just my opinion... Someone change it if it makes sense to you too...

65.94.8.200 12:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)Phil

there is new album out in the future might be worth waiting for without changing this just yet (82.44.57.188 21:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC))

They are darkwave. I've always maintained that they are. If you look at the definition of darkwave then you will agree, so I am putting that genre up on their article. Oreo

Open this discussion again!!! This article needs references for it being Darkwave, for me the sound is very similar to what Joy Division and Bauhaus (which is post-punk) made 30 years ago. I've also found critics referencing their sound either as post-punk or as part of the new wave of post-punk. The-15th (talk) 00:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion closed, it's settled. (79.75.177.50 (talk) 19:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC))

For me it's not closed...according to who? Do you have the autorithy to decide which genre it is? Who does? I think this discussion needs to be opened again. The-15th (talk) 23:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Their music is heavily influenced by goth rock..however the band also takes inspiration from post-punk, synth pop, alternative, etc... Darkwave, no matter how the term has changed its meaning over the years, has always represented the style of dark,goth bands, which however do not sound ecsactly goth rock. So "She Wants Revenge" is darkwave. Xr 1 (talk) 21:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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POV

This article is written using far too much POV and needs a thorough rewrite to avoid coming off as an advert rather than an article in an encyclopaedia. violet/riga (t) 22:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree. I attempted to fix some of this with my recent edit, but, it was rather sloppily that I did this and I couldn't really even begin to tackle it. I will try to go through one day and fix and find refs for everything, but, right now, I don't have any time. EsocksLAMB (talk) 03:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I also strongly agree. The whole intro sounds like an advertisement. I don't know enough about the group to rewrite it myself, but perhaps the article should be flagged so someone will decide to do it? AlmightyDoctor (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The intro to this article sounds like their manager has written it. not NPOV at all. 82.163.111.221 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

What's so Indie Rock about them anyway?

Just 'cause they've got some guitar riffs in their repertoire doesn't make them an Indie-band right away - luckily. It became way too much en vogue to label any band with Indie rock who doesn't sound like old grunge since all those bands founded by teenagers picking on their guitars and singing about their put up broken first love like The View or The Editors are spreading like mushrooms and finally managed to capitalise on legions of long-haired high school students. Apparently, and I wanted to make it apparent on purpose, my judgement of Indie's somewhat emotionally charged (But hey, I've listened to bands like Franz Ferdinand or Interpol for the past 4 years!), but that doesn't change the fact that She Wants Revenge doesn't fit in there. Thus I claim that term to be removed - for the sake of the group's music. — Karakasa 10:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Good point. As of their next album, there's only one "indie" sounding song from the band which is Written in Blood. True Romance has no indie rock in it, so I'm guessing it will be dropped as soon as the album comes out to Alternative Rock / Goth Rock. I do like putting caps on the genres, although we're not supposed to on wiki. (Skinnydrifter 17:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC))

Have you any heard Joy Division? Siouxsie and The Banshees or early Bauhaus? They are post-punk and their sound is similar to what they did, I don't know who else agrees with me but I've heard some darkwave of the 80's and it doesn't either match their influences or their sound, so I don't know where you've gotten the idea that they are goth rock or darkwave. It's like saying The Birthday Party is Gothic Rock just because they have a song called "Release The Bats", when many critics have tagged them post-punk. The-15th (talk) 01:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

We can play the band-name game if you want, but there really are few bands popular within the darkwave and/or goth circles that I haven't listened to in great detail. 'Some' darkwave isn't enough it seems, there are several shades of darkwave and this certainly is one of them. Just don't worry about She Wants Revenge, my friend. (Skinnydrifter (talk) 21:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC))

She Wants Revenge is hardly a rock band, so how can they be indie rock? Justin Warfield said it himself in an interview on the topic of being compared to Interpol and Joy Division:

"I don't have any feelings about those comparisons because I think it's ridiculous because we make dance music and they make guitar music."[7]

I thought this was made clear from "Electronic Rock fore-fathers" from their label's main site[8] but obviously not. If there are any interviews/cold hard proof - So don't shy away, let's hear it. (Hautskin (talk) 17:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC))

She Wants Revenge is not indie rock.The music is gloomy,dreamy and goth with influences from post-punk and new wave.Xr 1 (talk) 14:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Compilations?

someone put somethign in about Timbaland's song, 'Time' featuring SWR. I would but I'm too lazy.

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