Talk:Zaid Shakir

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POV

Some quotes:

Shakir is amongst the most respected and influential Muslim scholars in the West[citation needed],
widely regarded as an articulate voice on Islam and African-American issues and as a visionary leader in the emergence of an Islamic community and tradition that is indigenous to America.
accepted Islam (should be converted to Islam)
continued his tireless community activism

That's an eulogy, not NPOV. {{wikify}}{{sources}} goes without saying. --tickle me 00:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC) khgjkhk Not really--it can't be a eulogy if he's not dead! In any event, there's an articne in the 6/18/2006 New York TImes that essentially confirms all of this. [1] and which seems to provide enough info to serve as a citation for most of what's said in the Wikipedia article.Andrewjnyc 02:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to refer to eulogy - all hail to Mr. Shakir, may he live long and prosper. As for the sources: if there are, they should be added using the <ref> syntax, so readers can evaluate the paragraph's factuality. --tickle me 07:59, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The cite they add to this quote 'Shakir is amongst the most respected and influential Muslim scholars in the West' is from his own institute!Opiner 15:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that too, Opiner. For the time being, i'm going to remove that as his own site is obviously not going to be an objective source. If anyone else has a third party source then please use that. MezzoMezzo 15:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing that MezzoMezzo. I'll remove the POV tag... Alcarillo 23:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have a problem with the statement "...Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser ...attacked what he deemed Shakir's "pathetic response" to the Fort Hood shooting in which the Imam stated "that the US war machine is the single greatest threat to world peace." Jasser said that "as an American Muslim," he "was frankly offended" by Shakir's remarks which reflected his "disdain for our military."

This statement in not written in a disinterested, non-disparaging tone to be consistent with NPOV. Further, the quotation is taken out of context, even from Jasser's own article where he quotes Shakir more fully as saying, "Imam Zaid Shakir writes: This is my response to the Fort Hood tragedy and events both associated with it and ensuing from it. I begin by expressing my deepest condolences to the families of all of the dead and wounded. There is no legitimate reason for their deaths, just as I firmly believe there is no legitimate reason for the deaths of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghani civilians who have perished as a result of those two conflicts. Even though I disagree with the continued prosecution of those wars, and even though I believe that the US war machine is the single greatest threat to world peace, I must commend the top military brass at Fort Hood, and President Obama for encouraging restraint and for refusing to attribute the crime allegedly perpetrated by Major Nidal Malik Hasan to Islam. We pray that God bless us to see peace and sanity prevail during these tense times." The current quote only mentions the war machine statement and ignores the empathic statements, prayer for peace, commendation of the military's response to the incident, and there being no legitimate reason for the killings in Shakir's view. Finally, I want to make clear, I don't have a problem with citing Jasser as a critic who feels that shakir's response is inadequate (for whatever reasons he feels that they are inadequate) but language such as "pathetic" is not NPOV in tone nor disinterested in presentation and not suitable for an encylopedic entry. (67.171.67.81 (talk) 03:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks for your comments. I've deleted Zasser's comment on Shakir's "pathetic response" and added more context to Shakir's response on the shooting. I think it is now adequately NPOV. Plot Spoiler (talk) 04:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Sorry, I'm new at this (and wasn't sure if i needed to ask before editing). I made a couple of small changes and added links to where the quotes can be found and provided another POV to balance the one quoted while hopefully maintaining NPOV. Seem ok? (67.171.67.81 (talk) 04:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]