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Move article

I think we'll have to move this article to something like 2010 Cumbria shootings as the BBC News Channel is reporting several deaths and shots fired in at least three different locations. TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Then let's do that. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just did it actually, I hadn't seen your comments beforehand, but I agree that it is the correct move. Anyway it's been done. TigerShark (talk) 12:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Derrick Bird now found dead

[1] - good enough as a cite? Pedro :  Chat  13:11, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say good enough to say they found a body believed to be him, yes. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
BBC are also saying "believed" [2] Pedro :  Chat  13:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the Cumbrian police link. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weapons

Do we know what weapsons were used in the shooting? Nath1991 (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shotgun. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
One of the BBC reporters mentioned that he'd overheard the police mentioning "bullets" as opposed to shotgun cartridges. Cryomaniac (talk) 13:18, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A doctor confirming deaths said they were the worst shotgun wounds he'd ever seen. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any news on the make/model etc? Nath1991 (talk) 13:25, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not yet, but the police have confirmed they found a weapon alongside his body, so more details may come out soon. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:26, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A young man being interviewed by the BBC said he saw the shooter with a scopped Rifle looking at a hill from his taxi.-- OsirisV (talk) 17:52, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Two weapons, almost certainly shotgun (from doctor report) and maybe a scoped rifle. Nothing definitive that we can cite though. Yet. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Guy on BBC says "shotgun and assault rifle". Still nothing concrete to cite though. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:59, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Only time I heard "assault rifle" was when they were mentioning previous massacres, and that one in the '80s led to a ban of such weapon. Maybe he had three weapons, maybe the guy was unable to tell the difference and exaggerating on certain parts. Still too early. I'm sure the BBC site may provide some interview videos.-- OsirisV (talk) 18:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He was a former policeman, so I guess "not telling the difference" isn't part of it. We'll see. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What if we had "Scoped Rifle (believed)<ref>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10215998.stm Cyclist Barry Moss account provided by BBC News</ref>" in the weapons list? It's true that one is believed to have been used, and we have a source to back it up.-- OsirisV (talk) 18:11, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't believe that a cyclist would be better placed to identify a weapon than a retired police officer. Let's wait. There's no deadline. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming page

Now, after 13 deaths confirmed, In my opinion the article could be rename as 2010 Cumbria massacre, or simply Cumbria massacre... - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Definately not, it's not THAT major!! Ggoere (talk) 17:18, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See Hungerford massacre or Dunblane massacre. Here 38 people were involved (1 shooter, 12 deaths, 25 injuries) SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 17:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Um, Hungerford massacre wasn't that much more "major" as you put it. I suggest we wait and see. If the popular press etc start calling it something like that, then we can reconsider. No point in rushing it now though. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking on moving it to "massacre", but felt that it would require discussion. The BBC has a timeline of the shootings based on interviews by the way. I moved "shootings" to "Shootings" because the similar "massacre" was capitalised in a number of search results. I guess you'd want to examine those.-- OsirisV (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And I guess you'd like to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia naming conventions, like Hungerford massacre. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Frizington

There is certainly a crime scene and the Copeland recycling centre at Frizington. I am a local and it is cordoned off. It has been reported in the media but it is almpst certainly linked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.248.67--Footix2 (talk) 17:26, 2 June 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Okay, but until we get anything that we can reference (and it may already be incorporated in the statement from the police), we'll need to leave it out. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Own article?

Will Derrick Bird get his own article?

Doubt it, for instance Michael Ryan (mass murderer) hasn't. Why do you ask? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Was just wondering really. I'm not really sure what these Wikipedia policies are. I would ask a question to you but the question doesn't really involve the article.

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