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Did NOT originate in South Africa

I'm really surprised everyone is buying into this propaganda that this horn used at football matches originated in South Africa... South Africa merely embraced it, but it was used LONG before in Latin America.

Mouthpiece

There is a misunderstanding here: "Similarly, today's South African vuvuzela has no mouthpiece; the sound is produced in the same way as a trumpet - the vibration from tightly pursed lips." The vuvuzela - the plastic one or the animal horn - does indeed have a mouthpiece. It is not separate, it is moulded or carved into or out of the plastic, horn, bone or whatever. A mouthpiece is just a receiver to make your lips comfortable so you can buzz them. But nearly all lip-vibrated aerophones - that is, brass-family instruments even if not made of brass - do have some kind of mouthpiece because without one you can't really play it. You would have to be incredibly lucky for your tube, branch, hollowed-out dried snake, human thighbone, conch or whateverthehell to have a comfortable place to blow just by accident, so you are usually going to have to make one. A brass mouthpiece is just a place to buzz your lips: the question of whether it is integral to the instrument or not does not define its mouthpieceness. Trumpets have mouthpieces and vuvuzelas do too. Here is one of each from Commons. They are both "brass" instruments in the sense of how the sound is generated. They both have mouthpieces. They are operationally the same thing. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 18:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Top Gear

Can someone kindly add that on the series 15 premier of Top Gear, the Stig was listening to vuvuzelas as he did a lap around the track? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazokuhouou (talk • contribs) 20:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This information was already introduced at one point and removed; I believe the reason given was that it didn't add anything to the article; personally I think the whole popular culture section should just be removed. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 20:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What is the actual purpose of this "In popular culture" section? I fail to understand it. If it's not doing the article any good, I support for its deletion. Davtra ^(talk) 23:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the "references in popular culture" section

I didn't want to just go ahead and do this without consensus as it's clearly controversial, so let's hear opinions on what should be done with this section. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 12:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Remove as nom: WP:Trivia sections states that miscellaneous collections of information should be avoided, and I don't honestly see how it adds to readers' understanding of the vuvuzela to know that Youtube added a button which played the sound, and Adult swim added it to their programming; seems irrelevant to the article to me, and the section is a bullet-point list rather than an integrated, flowing piece of text, which should be avoided per WP:MOS. Additionally, given its apparent notoreity among football fans worldwide, it is likely that dozens of pieces of "trivia" of this nature could be added, and where would we draw the line for inclusion? GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 12:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Remove I don't see the reason why this section should be kept. I looked at this article In Popular Culture(section). It is proposed for deletion because it is "Non-notable nonsense". I agree with GiftigerWunsch. Davtra ^(talk) 23:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment there is a bit out of context; that's an article written about "in popular culture" sections of other articles; it's likely meant as a joke about the miscellenia which is found in these sections. Its deletion isn't relevant here. In any case we both agree and no one else has voiced their opinion, so I removed the section a few days ago. If others can come up with good reasons why it should be re-established, the consensus discussion is still here. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 13:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. Sorry. I did sound out of context. I should be more careful and check for the expression next time. Cheers, Davtra ^(talk) 22:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of the vuvuzela

While the general style and shape of the vuvuzela may have been around for some time, the South African origins are found in the early years of the the anti-apartheid struggle. It was common practice for the horns of diesel-electric locomotives to be stripped off in order to increase the possibility of an accident at level crossings. (it is standard practice for a loco driver to sound his horn when approaching a crossing, to provide a warning). Subsequently these vandalised horns appeared at football matches as a taunt to the then authorities. 86.62.251.81 (talk) 15:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC) Jim[reply]

Are there any reliable citations for that claim? Park3r (talk) 06:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds ridiculous on the face of it. I would be very surprised if it were true. Viriditas (talk) 01:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]