Talk:James Caan

(Misc comments)

• Need to mention his role in Las Vegas of late.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tilgrieog (talk) 02:23, 16 November 2004 (UTC)
  
  • Completely wrong James Caan for Dragon's Den
    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.51.132.32 (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
    
• Caan also portrayed in a very believable fashion, the tough job of being buddy the Elf's biological father in Elf with Will Farrell in November 2003.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.38.48 (talk) 00:43, 1 January 2005 (UTC)
  

Born 1939 or 1940?

There appears to be a conflict with Caan's date of birth. IMDb reports 1940, NNDB 1939. Does anyone have any additional sources they could cite so that this may be resolved? Hall Monitor 18:24, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Personal information?

I've seen the episodes of The Simpsons and Family Guy where Caan is mentioned: having him appear at the "Playdude treehouse," appearing as a womanizer in The Simpsons episode All's Fair in Over War and the episode of Family Guy where he punches the bunny - does anyone have infromation on his personal life that can explain why they portrayed him like this is those episodes? I was wondering if he's a regular at the playboy mansion or has a criminal history, something to explain the portrayals. JW 23:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• "Womanizer" is terminally vague, and thus impedes rather than furthers the discussion here.
  Discussion of his personal life in the mode apparently intended by this colleague would also be OR, which would in itself be unacceptable in the article, and (by contrast with adequate sourcing) probably would also be an offense against BLP.
  --Jerzy•t 03:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
  

Full Name

Notable names database gives his full name as James Langston Edmund Caan, imdb gives it as James Edmund Caan, and his fan club website gives it as James Langston Michael Caan. Does anyone know his real full name?
Dante- July 3, 2006
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.100.7 (talk) 01:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Filmography?

Needed.
Misterboston 19:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

New Picture

Badly Needed
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.3.217 (talk) 01:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Linked to the mob?

The article cites absolutely no sources to back up the assertions that James Caan is linked to the mob in any of the ways mentioned. 134.84.103.21 02:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

• Agreed. Very pointless should be removed
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capper17 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  

  I removed it unless some cites can be provided Alastairward 14:05, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I just cut this from James Caan#1970 to present:

It was around this time that Caan began his infamous friendship with the Underboss of the Colombo crime family, Carmine "Junior" Persico. Caan would eventually be photographed by U.S. law enforcement in surveillance pictures along with Persico. However, because the The Godfather had not come out yet, the authorities mistook him for another rising mobster in the Colombo crime family, which Persico is the Boss of today.

as an unsourced BLP issue; no one should restore this without properly citing some reliable sources. Jack Merridew; sockpuppet ;) 07:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Comment on rating for assessment as a biography

• Per the heading creator, this section concerns the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter
• Use of links in headings is generally avoided, has been deprecated at times, and is at best rarely defended; this section's heading has been unlinked, while preserving the effect of any section-linked refs to it.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 02:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The following contrib has been reformatted to remedy its originally excessive assertiveness.

• What about James Caan, entrepreneur. Wikipedia doesnt seem to have a page on him.
  www.jamescaan.co.uk ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.96.115 (talk) 14:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• The creator of this section may or not have intended to assert that, as a comment that concerns the project-requested rating, the section should stand first among talk sections, preceding those made before it. To the contrary, IMO,
  1. Such a practice is subversive to the convention that sections are ordered with those created earlier before later ones (or such subsections so ordered within their superordinate sections) -- a convention often (and specifically at this talk page) overlooked, but at the peril of confusion (which cascades when the bad example may be followed).
  2. The distinction between basis of rating and other comments toward improvement seems, in this case, unclear and of little value.
  3. Where it is important to document the basis of rating, it can be done much more effectively and harmlessly by placing it in a collapsing box within the project box, as seems to be done on some talk pages that bear project boxes; it may well be that a careful editor would find that the relevant box-template on this page includes a parameter to accomplish that effect, and if not, enhancement of the template in question is appropriate and makeshift approaches are not.

--Jerzy•t 03:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Did he die today?!

Did James Caan die today?! Because putting a death date on his bio makes no sense! --Angeldeb82 (talk) 23:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Early Years

Around the time he became interested in acting, James Caan was brought by the Rabbino family to spend a summer as a counselor at their summer Camp Onibar in the Poconos, Pennsylvania. Caan quickly became a favorite at the camp, and earned the name "Supe" for Superman; he could open bottles with his teeth, and was seen swinging from a pulley by his teeth down a rope suspended from the ceiling of the social hall.

The Rabbinos had lifelong contacts to the NY theater business and others like Penny Marshall and Marvin Hamlish were brought to the camp where they enjoyed the country while writing songs for camp color war and other events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.104.246 (talk) 01:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

• The second 'graph of that contrib is irrelevant on this page, except that it strengthens the suggestion of a reliance on personal recollections or unpublished anecdotes, which are not a basis for WP-article material.
  As to the JC material, his presumed youth is another factor weighing against its use: if true it's very peripheral to our interest, and treating it as relevant has a tone of either fannish lack of perspective or of mocking the serious adult actor by dredging up youthful hi-jinks that (however typical of youthfulness) suggest poor judgment of risks.
  Oh, Rabbino spelled backwards is Onib(b)ar as in the camp's name; BTW, no refs to that family in WP.
  --Jerzy•t 03:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
  

Rodeo days?

No mention in this article of Caan's tenure as a pro Rodeo rider in the early 1970's. Seems worth a mention.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.51.132.32 (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• With verification, i agree. This serious performing job is quite in contrast with what, AFA we can tell, is likely to have been an #Early Years fun summer gig that happened to include some amateur-hour stuff quite detached from his developing or impending career.
  --Jerzy•t 03:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
  

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was recent undiscussed move reverted. JHunterJ (talk) 20:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move

James Caan (actor) → James Caan — The recent move of this page from James Caan to James Caan (actor) is being disputed. Tesscass (talk) 18:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Having the actor as anything but primary topic has been the subject of no discussion. The entrep. seems to have 1/10 the G-hits, and many of those may reflect such self-promotion as what sounds like a reality show. Also it may be relevant that he chose not just to respell the (well-known and honored) name "Khan", but to chose the spelling and new (apparently arbitrary -- James/Jacob and Nadim seem to show no relationship) given name that would cause most confusion and evoke perhaps the most famous remotely related contemporary -- granted, unfairly improving his notability does not detract from his notability in our eyes, but it seems likely that he has created some apparent notability (e.g. GHits created by our and others' disambiguations of the name) exceeding his real notability.
I don't want to take the time to do the two moves that will put the actor back as the primary topic tonite, but the closest thing to discussion has been the unsigned IP's "What about James Caan, entrepreneur. Wikipedia doesnt seem to have a page on him. www.jamescaan.co.uk " comment, and the hundreds of lks to the actor should neither be left as lks to the Dab, nor changed without sound discussion. I think reverting the move pending further discussion is fully justified.
--Jerzy•t 03:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Jerzy. I've requested the undo of this move. --Tesscass (talk) 18:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comment I don't necessarily oppose the suggested move, but it worth pointing out that James Caan (entrepreneur) is well known in the UK and other countries like New Zealand which broadcast the BBC's Dragon's Den programme. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 18:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move again?

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 15:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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This appears to have just been done again? Probably needs undoing. Unless someone provides a link to a discussion showing consensus? ++Lar: t/c 03:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

This was an inappropriate move that should be reversed ASAP as there are a *lot* of links to the unqualified name. As to why — 99%+ will expect the actor. Jack Merridew 07:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

James Caan (actor) → James Caan — to restore the proper article to the unqualified name after an non-consensus move. replace the disambig page with hatnotes. Jack Merridew 19:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support per nom. --Born2cycle (talk) 06:48, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support the restoration Monkeyzpop (talk) 09:48, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support restoration as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC clearly applies. Favonian (talk) 10:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support clear claim to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
  — V = I * R (talk to Ohms law) 18:39, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose James Caan should remain disambiguated. James Caan (entrepreneur) is just as well known as James Caan (actor). Seth Whales (talk) 20:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

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I'd just like to say that I didn't see this page before I moved it, however I still support the disambiguation, as personally I've never heard of James Caan the actor. It seems like it would mostly be Americans who do. On the basis of WP:UNDUE, I'd encourage the move. Welshleprechaun (talk) 12:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I apologise as I was the one who moved the article without discussion. However, I'm concerned that the decision to change the name back may have been hasty. Although I do not know much about the individual editors who have voted on this issue, I am concerned it may be from an American bias. This is an english speaking wikipedia, not an American wikipedia, and I think James Caan is a name that is equally associated with each of the biographies involved. Naturally different countries will have different understandings of the people involved, but both, I think, are equally significant for English speakers. Keith1234 (talk) 18:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)