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What Men Know that Women Don't

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This article is almost entirely quoted copyrighted text. I'm left with the distinct impression that this a promotional piece. Of the two WP:RS-looking sources, the Irish Times source is just a search for "Zubaty" and the Harvard Crimson source has only a few scant details about an apparent rally to promote an earlier verson of the book in 1995. The publisher, Virtualbookworm.com, likely falls under vanity press considerations.[1] An article on the author was deleted earlier this year. I believe this article fails to meet WP:NOTABILITY. — Scientizzle 20:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the article pic, File:Whatmencover.jpg, appears to have WP:COPYRIGHT issues.[2] — Scientizzle 20:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment In answer to your question, just some of articles about feminists deleted via discussion, with an excerpt from the original article:

    AFD: JeeYeun Lee ("JeeYeun Lee is a queer theorist. She is an Asian-American Bi-sexual woman, who is indeed a feminist...")

    AFD: Carlin Ross ("Carlin Ross is a sex-positive feminist blogger and attorney...")

    AFD: Bridget Irish ("Bridget Irish ...is an American performance artist, lesbian feminist and Marxist...")

    AFD: Katherine Hanson ("Katherine Hanson is an American feminist. In the 1990s, she was the head of an organization known as the Women's Educational Equity Act Publishing Center...")

    AFD: Nina (poet) ("her poems discuss issues such as pregnancy, female liberation, racial equality...her poems attack and criticize sexual and societal mores and taboos, especially those associated with and promoted by Christians, (especially the Roman Catholic Church) conservatives, reactionaries, fascists, and even moderates and socialists who are not socialist enough...").

    Many more have been deleted via the Proposed deletion process or speediliy deleted as unambiguous advertising/no credibile claim to notability. Most of the original articles can be found on Deletionpedia. Voceditenore (talk) 09:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Do Not Delete Just for the record, any decisions to delete are NOT unanimous. Do not delete. Lew Loot (talk) 08:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Clearly fails wikipedia's notability requirements. To Lew Loot, nobody here is putting forth a bias for or against feminism or any other aspect of the book's content. What we are concerned with here is establishing whether the topic is notable based upon wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I suggest you carefully read Wikipedia:Notability (books) which clearly explains what this criteria is. If you feal that What Men Know that Women Don't does meet this criteria, please make a statement to that effect here which explains your reasoning for that viewpoint.4meter4 (talk) 08:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete, see earlier discussions on this subject. Lew Loot, it does not have to be unanimous .. you really think that if you were the only vote to keep that then the consensus would be keep? --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • DO NOT DELETE We've been through this all before with the same cast of characters: Beestra, Voiceditnore. You people don't like the topic and want to see it banished. But this book meets sufficient requirements of for inclusion. It has been in print for 17 years in two different editions. Tens of thousands of men and women around the world have read it and hundreds have provided personal positive testimonials as to its value (which you won’t accept as verification of notability). It’s simply the BEST BOOK ABOUT MEN ever written, with Susan Faludi’s “Stiffed” coming in a close second. Hundreds of copies have been stolen from libraries by feminists who do not believe in free speech. Leo Tolstoy and Mark Twain self-published because any writer with a following knows that by self-publishing you can keep your book in print indefinitely, rather than having it go into remainders after three months. What kicked this episode off is that Zubaty was just interviewed by a writer for the Globe and Mail in Canada so we prepared this page thinking we would have a sufficiently large and current cite to accompany the Irish Times, and the Harvard Crimson...and then editors at that paper sliced out any mentions of Zubaty for political reasons...but we decided to go ahead and submit this book page anyway with Svoboda’s online book review. Your methods are classically feminine. You do not like the topic, have decided it does not belong on wikipedia, and now are lurching around looking for ways to justify that decision. It’s all in the book. You’ll delete it, like you did Zubaty’s personal page, despite the fact that it qualifies in every way for inclusion. But word is getting around that though wikipedia safely handles any safe topic, it allows itself to be bullied by the tyranny of the majority on anything controversial. Well, good luck with your uncyclopedia, aggregator of popular knowledge that can be found on line. You are like the Popular Mechanics of intelligent thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.207.192 (talk) 15:35, 5 October 2010 (UTC) — 72.234.207.192 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

what Men know about hypocrisy I asked you Voceditenore what your name is and where YOUR book is and you refuse to say. This book has been in print for 17 years, has sold 25,000 copies worldwide, received hundreds of personal letters and emails noting it's valuable contributions to gender issues. In the last 17 years I have done over 200 radio shows on this book and its’ men’s topics. In the last six months youtube hosted 19,000 downloads to 40 different countries of the What Men Know That Women Don't video. It’s been reviewed by the Irish times and the Spokane Spokesman, numerous online reviewers, and I, as it s author have been mentioned in the Wall Street Journal, the Harvard Crimson, Transitions Men’s magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, the San Francisco Chronicle and numerous other men’s publications and some feminist publications. The Sterling Institute of relationship wikipedia page uses it as a cite for their men’s organization. But though it is the best book ever written in human history about MEN, but because it is despised by feminists, it is blacklisted in most main stream media. No...you have already decided to delete this page. You are just looking for justifications. No one here is looking to improve the article. Your snap judgments revolve around how few libraries have the book when hundreds of copies have been stolen from libraries by feminist harpies who have no love for free speech. You are arrogant and prejudiced and the only reason I’m writing this is because I want it archived. Lewis worked hard putting this together and you have no business deleting this. Rich Zubaty — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.207.192 (talk • contribs)

No one wants to improve the article, because it does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines on notability. If you are, indeed, the author of this book, then you have a conflict of interest. It doesn't matter how many radio shows you have done to promote this book, or how many downloads on YouTube it has, it is not notable. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:11, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

17 years of notability This book is notable to tens of thousands of people who have some appreciation for men's issues which clearly is none of you. While I spend my days fighting against war and fighting corporate greed, you spend your time cruising around anonymously looking for preoccupied worker bees like me to victimize. There's a word for that. This book has sold small amounts every month for the past 17 years and has appreciable amounts of notability as stated above, and nothing you imply is going to eliminate that. As I said, Lewis worked hard on this and I can't believe you hypocrites are going to delete him again. That’s why I’m coming to his aid.

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